British Speedway Promoters Meeting

[Tsunami]

He has a holiday home nearby and we occasionaly see him knocking about.. Looks differant in real life.

 

Harry Enfield or pandorum.

[StormMarketing]

BT (British Telecom) Sport will be showing LIVE coverage of the BT British League. Two nights per week...heard it here first....

[Vince]

I think you have to anaylyse what people say from a perspective of semantics.

I think the BSPA are idiots but that does not mean I think they are particularly unintelligent.

 

Let's face it for 15 years they had a massive boost from TV but failed to attract one single sponsor for thier league.

Are you certain that there are no sponsors of any team in the EL who are there because of the TV coverage? I am 100% certain there are! Quite possibly there is valid criticism in their not finding a major title sponsor.

They failed to use the TV to thier advantage in promoting the sport to a wider audience.

In reality we have no idea of how many people watch Speedway on TV who would never have seen the sport otherwise. However they have failed to convert them into spectators

They have made no attempt to showcase the sport by picking carefully matches to be shown on TV and were quite happy to fill the screen with dross that put off thier core speedway audience let alone brought a new audience to the sport.

Do they have any say in the selected matches? I always assumed Sky picked them not least based on location and availability of their equipment.

They don't have a clue how to use the latest media to promote the sport.

Guilty

 

They oversaw shambles after shambles with rules being bent, twisted, ignored and even made up on the fly to suit the favoured few.

They were selfish, greedy and spiteful and with thier petty point scoring were quite happy to see teams go out of existence rather than work together for the good of the sport.

That's an opinion and in some cases appears to be true, however we don't know the reason these things happened and there must be for the majority to accept it.

 

They ignore thier core customers even to the point of treating them as the enemy.

I think you are guilty of thinking the people who post on here as the core customers when they are a small but vocal minority. They often haven't helped themselves with public displays of petulance it I would agree.

They have squandered thier TV bounty and the goodwill between fan and promoter.

It would appear so but in their defense it would seem for most it was pure survival rather than p***ing it away.

Now they realise they are in the s### and are asking the kids to pull them out of it.

Or, in my opinion they may have just made the boldest and best move the sport has seen in decades (if it is done properly)

 

To me that is a bunch of idiots.

To me, that is generally a bunch of people passionate about the sport, putting their money where their mouth is and doing their best.

Edited November 21, 2013 by Vince

[AndyJ]

BT (British Telecom) Sport will be showing LIVE coverage of the BT British League. Two nights per week...heard it here first....

 

Really do hope you're right about that . Cancelling a full Sky package, subscribing to BT and their YouView TV and BT Infinity was a decision I made once Sky dropped the GP coverage and seemingly were ceasing EL too. Despite being very happy with BT I would have re-subscribed to Sky if a new contract had been signed. Shan't be doing this and will be rather chuffed if you're accurate!

[The White Knight]

simple 2 questions

1........a reserve get injured in 1st outing?....you instantly a rider down in next reserve race.........

 

2........with weak league, what happens with all fake aves in 2015? who wud touch bridger on a 8.5 etc??

 

 

Point one is an interesting one. What happens if a Reserve gets injured in his first Ride and is unable to compete any further in the Meeting. Will that mean that BOTH Reserve Races only have THREE Riders? (provided there is a rerun of the Heat in which he is injured). Obviously the second Reserve would have to cover all other Rides.

Could be that Elite League Patrons could be getting even less for their money if this were to happen.

 

This is a genuine question, as I would like to know the answer.

 

As a matter of info. as it HAS been said on here(!) where has the line come from that the league is going to renamed the British League..? Can't see THAT in the rather flimsy official statement..!

 

 

Yes - as I have already been pulled up on this Forum over this - can someone please advise as to where, when or if the change of the name to British League has occurred. I have heard or read absolutely NOTHING of this.

 

I DO HOPE IT'S RIGHT THOUGH!!!

[StormMarketing]

BT have the motogp coverage

[The White Knight]

Now they realise they are in the s### and are asking the kids to pull them out of it.

Or, in my opinion they may have just made the boldest and best move the sport has seen in decades (if it is done properly)

 

............................ and THAT my friend is the big IF.

 

Hopefully they DO get it right. I would remind you though - History is NOT on their side. :sad:

[Grachan]

 

 

 

Yes - as I have already been pulled up on this Forum over this - can someone please advise as to where, when or if the change of the name to British League has occurred. I have heard or read absolutely NOTHING of this.

 

 

 

This certainly hints at it - although it could be a reference to the NL reserves ruling. http://www.swindonrobins.co/news.php?extend.2101

Edited November 21, 2013 by grachan

[The White Knight]

 

This certainly hints at it - although it could be a reference to the NL reserves ruling. http://www.swindonrobins.co/news.php?extend.2101

 

 

Mmmmmmmmmmm - curious.

 

Thanks grachan.

[TonyE]

Continuing to call is 'Elite' might have led to a complaint under the Trade Descriptions Act!

[SCB]

Continuing to call is 'Elite' might have led to a complaint under the Trade Descriptions Act!

If that were true then there would be rioting in the streets over the Premier League!!!

[SteveLyric2]

The 'Elite' title is part of the Sky deal, so nothing can change or be announced until the new TV deal (with whoever) is announced.

[orion]

Continuing to call is 'Elite' might have led to a complaint under the Trade Descriptions Act!

And what about the Premier League name ?

[seanmuffe]

Continuing to call is 'Elite' might have led to a complaint under the Trade Descriptions Act!

never worried anyone before

 

And what about the Premier League name ?

Division 1, the Elite will be Division 2

[TMW]

QUOTE

Elite League:

10 teams: Belle Vue, Birmingham, Coventry, Eastbourne, King’s Lynn, Lakeside, Leicester, Poole, Swindon, Wolverhampton.

Points limit 32 (top five riders); National League riders at No.6 and No.7

Teams meet each other twice home and away - minimum 18 home fixtures, 36 in league programme.

Play-offs as before (for top four teams).

 

Do we know what constitutes a NL rider yet? or is that still being drawn up

[seanmuffe]

QUOTE

Elite League:

10 teams: Belle Vue, Birmingham, Coventry, Eastbourne, King’s Lynn, Lakeside, Leicester, Poole, Swindon, Wolverhampton.

Points limit 32 (top five riders); National League riders at No.6 and No.7

Teams meet each other twice home and away - minimum 18 home fixtures, 36 in league programme.

Play-offs as before (for top four teams).

 

Do we know what constitutes a NL rider yet? or is that still being drawn up

depends whose press release you read!

[george.m]

How many NL riders are over the age of 25?

Would they qualify for an EL/British league or whatever it's name is?

Defeats the purpose if they do.

[g13webb]

 

I think you have to anaylyse what people say from a perspective of semantics.

I think the BSPA are idiots but that does not mean I think they are particularly unintelligent.

 

Let's face it for 15 years they had a massive boost from TV but failed to attract one single sponsor for thier league.

Are you certain that there are no sponsors of any team in the EL who are there because of the TV coverage? I am 100% certain there are! Quite possibly there is valid criticism in their not finding a major title sponsor.

They failed to use the TV to thier advantage in promoting the sport to a wider audience.

In reality we have no idea of how many people watch Speedway on TV who would never have seen the sport otherwise. However they have failed to convert them into spectators

They have made no attempt to showcase the sport by picking carefully matches to be shown on TV and were quite happy to fill the screen with dross that put off thier core speedway audience let alone brought a new audience to the sport.

Do they have any say in the selected matches? I always assumed Sky picked them not least based on location and availability of their equipment.

They don't have a clue how to use the latest media to promote the sport.

Guilty

 

They oversaw shambles after shambles with rules being bent, twisted, ignored and even made up on the fly to suit the favoured few.

They were selfish, greedy and spiteful and with thier petty point scoring were quite happy to see teams go out of existence rather than work together for the good of the sport.

That's an opinion and in some cases appears to be true, however we don't know the reason these things happened and there must be for the majority to accept it.

 

They ignore thier core customers even to the point of treating them as the enemy.

I think you are guilty of thinking the people who post on here as the core customers when they are a small but vocal minority. They often haven't helped themselves with public displays of petulance it I would agree.

They have squandered thier TV bounty and the goodwill between fan and promoter.

It would appear so but in their defense it would seem for most it was pure survival rather than p***ing it away.

Now they realise they are in the s### and are asking the kids to pull them out of it.

Or, in my opinion they may have just made the boldest and best move the sport has seen in decades (if it is done properly)

 

To me that is a bunch of idiots.

To me, that is generally a bunch of people passionate about the sport, putting their money where their mouth is and doing their best.

 

 

 

I must say what ' Pandorum' has said is pretty much an accurate picture of this sport. 'Vince' in his attempt to defend the acquisations has even highlighted it more so. But nobody can argue the shambles and the terrible decisions made, have taken this sport to the brink of extinction. .

Edited November 22, 2013 by GRW123

[pandorum]

 

I think you have to anaylyse what people say from a perspective of semantics.

I think the BSPA are idiots but that does not mean I think they are particularly unintelligent.

 

Let's face it for 15 years they had a massive boost from TV but failed to attract one single sponsor for thier league.

Are you certain that there are no sponsors of any team in the EL who are there because of the TV coverage? I am 100% certain there are! Quite possibly there is valid criticism in their not finding a major title sponsor.

Well yes I am absolutely certain that the BSPA failed to secure a sponsor for the Elite league unless you know something the rest of us don’t. What do you think I meant by 'thier league'? Obviously a rhetorical question.

 

 

They failed to use the TV to thier advantage in promoting the sport to a wider audience.

In reality we have no idea of how many people watch Speedway on TV who would never have seen the sport otherwise. However they have failed to convert them into spectators

In other words what I said

 

They have made no attempt to showcase the sport by picking carefully matches to be shown on TV and were quite happy to fill the screen with dross that put off thier core speedway audience let alone brought a new audience to the sport.

Do they have any say in the selected matches? I always assumed Sky picked them not least based on location and availability of their equipment.

If they don't then they are clearly idiots.

 

They don't have a clue how to use the latest media to promote the sport.

Guilty

Again what I said

 

They oversaw shambles after shambles with rules being bent, twisted, ignored and even made up on the fly to suit the favoured few.

They were selfish, greedy and spiteful and with thier petty point scoring were quite happy to see teams go out of existence rather than work together for the good of the sport.

That's an opinion and in some cases appears to be true, however we don't know the reason these things happened and there must be for the majority to accept it.

Again in other words what I said. of course it's an opinion. That is a major factor of what we call a discussion where I come from.

 

They ignore thier core customers even to the point of treating them as the enemy.

I think you are guilty of thinking the people who post on here as the core customers when they are a small but vocal minority. They often haven't helped themselves with public displays of petulance it I would agree.

So again what I said. I admit I am not a core customer although I used to be but I think we can agree that a great many here and on FB and Twitter etc are exactly that and represent a good proportion of the tiny amount of people in the UK that watch speedway live each week..

 

They have squandered thier TV bounty and the goodwill between fan and promoter.

It would appear so but in their defense it would seem for most it was pure survival rather than p***ing it away.

Again what I said and there is no defense for any of it. They are imbiciles. What they had was gold dust and they p##sed it away. I was not just talking about MONEY in that sentence.

 

Now they realise they are in the s### and are asking the kids to pull them out of it.

Or, in my opinion they may have just made the boldest and best move the sport has seen in decades (if it is done properly)

I have been waffling on about just that with many other here for years now. But only the most blinkered fool thinks this is being done for the 'right' reason. They are doing it because they are in the s###. And using the kids to save money. Yes it is the right thing to do and should have been done 10 years ago. Hopefully the kids will benefit but it has been handled cack handedly so far. It remains to be seen if they can do this in a way that does help the kids. I hope they manage it I really do.

But how long will this last? It should be the template for British speedway for the next 20 years at least. It should be standard in the PL as well. #6 and #7 Brits only.

 

To me that is a bunch of idiots.

To me, that is generally a bunch of people passionate about the sport, putting their money where their mouth is and doing their best.

Luckily I was expressing MY opinion then and not YOURS. What you say may well be true but the idea these fools know what they are doing dissapeared years ago.

They have never really set the agenda simply reacted to circumstances as they did at the weekend. Vision and foresight are whats needed but this lot (with one or two exceptions) don't have that. One of the best examples of this is Rob Lyon and his blueprint for the GB team.

Of course my term 'bunch' is a general term that does not include them all but as a collective body idiots is being rather complimentary to this crew.

 

Edited November 22, 2013 by pandorum

[high edge]

At long last b s p a members have woken up i dont want to make anything out of it but ,i have been saying for years that only british riders should be at reserve in both the Elite and Premier leagues , and at last they have gone half way but come on make it a rule in the Premier as well stop playing about.Also i think we should have at least two Britts in the top five lets get back to helping ourselves its the only way we might get back to being a world power in speedway.