British Speedway Promoters Meeting

[ColinMills]

simple 2 questions

1........a reserve get injured in 1st outing?....you instantly a rider down in next reserve race.........

 

2........with weak league, what happens with all fake aves in 2015? who wud touch bridger on a 8.5 etc??

[jimmy jimmy]

I must say that IF I do attend Speedway next Season - I am really pleased I will be going to watch a Premier League Team.

Well good for you, I will be watching and enjoying my speedway at Belle Vue, a British League team.

[arthur cross]

I certainly don't think the current promoters are stupid, and yes most have been able to make money in other ventures Hoever, there does seem to be something about sports (not just speedway), which seems to make otherwise astute businessmen make some quite poor business decisions.

The business of running a sports team tends to have a wider variety of "worst case scenarios" (eg, a run of injuries or rain-offs for a speedway team) than most other businesses ... hence folk who've been successful in other types of businesses that are less volatile are repeatedly caught out when they apply similar decision-making to a sports team only to find out they should have factored in that wider variety of problems when judging how profitable the team will be.

[jimmy jimmy]

apologies in advance but I cant be arsed to read 58 pages of waffle,rumour and conjecture.ive just read the bspa statement about next season.

so are teams now going to consist of 3 permanent riders,2 double up from premier league and 2 national league juniors or has this not been decided yet.?

Pretty close, the 2 reserves are from a pool of young GB riders, not necessarily NL riders.

[skthecat]

Thats because most of them are over here.

And yet tou see so few of them watching speedway at UK tracks, even in densely Polish populated Cities?? Begs the question as to what type of Pole migrates to the UK?

And why don't they flock in droves to our tracks, even with Polish riders in the teams.......

[george.m]

Pretty close, the 2 reserves are from a pool of young GB riders, not necessarily NL riders.

jimmyjimmy love your avatar.

Is this a new stand for parking speedway bikes in the pits?

A Barry Briggs invention no doubt. So it'll be in the 2014 rules for every rider to have one.

 

I'll certainly be loitering round the pits at Glasgow next season.

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

As a matter of info. as it HAS been said on here(!) where has the line come from that the league is going to renamed the British League..? Can't see THAT in the rather flimsy official statement..!

[waiheke1]

The business of running a sports team tends to have a wider variety of "worst case scenarios" (eg, a run of injuries or rain-offs for a speedway team) than most other businesses ... hence folk who've been successful in other types of businesses that are less volatile are repeatedly caught out when they apply similar decision-making to a sports team only to find out they should have factored in that wider variety of problems when judging how profitable the team will be.

True, but surely any decent business plan should have a resdonably comprehensive risk analysis built into it. Its not as though rainy british weather is a new or unforseeable occurence, or injuries in sport a new phenomenon. Id say the main risk as a speedwsy promoter is building a team/plan which can be scupperred 12 months later at the next agm.

[Trees]

And yet tou see so few of them watching speedway at UK tracks, even in densely Polish populated Cities?? Begs the question as to what type of Pole migrates to the UK?

And why don't they flock in droves to our tracks, even with Polish riders in the teams.......

Perhaps they support their home town team only like we do?

[Humphrey Appleby]

And yet tou see so few of them watching speedway at UK tracks, even in densely Polish populated Cities?? Begs the question as to what type of Pole migrates to the UK?

And why don't they flock in droves to our tracks, even with Polish riders in the teams.......

They're too busy making a living, but the reality is there isn't much interest in speedway in Poland outside the main speedway cities.

[g13webb]

Perhaps they support their home town team only like we do?

When Poland were involved in the WTC at Lynn a couple of years back, the place was heaving. probably to the point of more Poles then British. The place was covered in red and white flags. So there are plenty of supporters out there, once they become interested.

[woodenspoon]

I worked with a lot of Polish people, and found interest in speedway was a very regional thing, depending where they lived in Poland. I took several of them to Belle Vue, (some on here would say the wrong track, though we had Crump then)) when BV were trying to tap into the Poish speedway fans in Manchester & District.

They enjoyed the speedway but the deciding factor as to whether they returned or not, was simply COST, far to expensive over here , compared to what they paid in Poland.

[SteveLyric2]

Parsloes - The term British League has been quietly used in a couple of promoter statements/comments. I guess the BSPA are waiting for the new TV/Sponsorship deal before the new ".............(insert TV company)....British League' is officially announced!

[macinter]

Having only 11 or 12 fully fledged First Division heats in a match will be just too few.

In my opinion.

That could be particularly crucial as far as attendances are concerned in the second half of the season when some teams will be out of the running for the play offs.

[Vince]

 

That’s not really a valid analogy though is it.

 

Firstly, the people posting on here are customers, current, past and potential future – therefore comments on the quality of the product provided by promoters is highly relevant.

 

Secondly, I’m not a builder, but if I pay money to a builder who builds a shed that leaks and I hear that he is almost bankrupt, I may be able to deduce that he is not a very good builder and is not running a successful business. The fact that he may still be a better builder than me doesn’t invalidate that deduction.

 

Thirdly, you are right, most people on here have never been promoters. But there are people who have followed speedway for long periods of time, so may well have a better understanding of the sport than many promoters. Similarly, there are people on here who are in senior roles in sales, marketing, accounting, IT, management, run their own businesses etc. These are all highly transferable skills, and while there will be certain nuances to being a speedway promoter, as there are with any industry, to suggest that none on here could do better than the current lot is simply a fallacy.

 

That’s not to say that every person on here could do a better job than current promoters granted, but plenty could, and even those that couldn’t can contribute suggestions which could improve the promoter’s product and/or running of business. I’d suggest the main issue would be as an individual promoter ones power is largely limited to ones own operations, whereas a fundamental change is required to the mentality of the BSPA as a collective is speedway is really to progress. But I’m sure every single track could do better in some aspects of financial management, marketing, product quality etc.

 

I certainly don't think the current promoters are stupid, and yes most have been able to make money in other ventures Hoever, there does seem to be something about sports (not just speedway), which seems to make otherwise astute businessmen make some quite poor business decisions.

 

 

You make some valid points but I do think that in some ways you are arguing against something I never actually said. I don't think that the way Speedway is run couldn't be improved and in many things by a great deal. That is a world away from having some ideas and claiming the BSPA as a collective are stupid for not doing things the way I think best.

 

A more realistic shed analogy would be for somebody to assume that a builder is bad because you are told a shed he built for a mate leaks and the builder is going bankrupt. It might be a bad builder but it might be the mate insisted that the shed be built on an unstable base and the builder is going bankrupt because the mate hasn't paid him. The point being that unless you have all the relevant facts it can be too easy to assume somebody is incapable.

 

I am sure there are a great many people on here who's skills could be invaluable to a club. However skilled the marketing expert unless he knows the budget he is not in a position to make decisions rather than suggestions. Certainly they are not in a position to assume that the marketing is not done in a certain way because of stupidity on the part of a club owner, it might be lack of knowledge in that department, it may be lack of finances, it may be lack of will but I still think to assume as a collective the BSPA are stupid is wide of the mark.

[pandorum]

 

I still think to assume as a collective the BSPA are stupid is wide of the mark.

I think you have to anaylyse what people say from a perspective of semantics.

I think the BSPA are idiots but that does not mean I think they are particularly unintelligent.

 

Let's face it for 15 years they had a massive boost from TV but failed to attract one single sponsor for thier league.

They failed to use the TV to thier advantage in promoting the sport to a wider audience.

They have made no attempt to showcase the sport by picking carefully matches to be shown on TV and were quite happy to fill the screen with dross that put off thier core speedway audience let alone brought a new audience to the sport.

They don't have a clue how to use the latest media to promote the sport.

 

They oversaw shambles after shambles with rules being bent, twisted, ignored and even made up on the fly to suit the favoured few.

They were selfish, greedy and spiteful and with thier petty point scoring were quite happy to see teams go out of existence rather than work together for the good of the sport.

 

They ignore thier core customers even to the point of treating them as the enemy.

They have squandered thier TV bounty and the goodwill between fan and promoter.

Now they realise they are in the s### and are asking the kids to pull them out of it.

 

To me that is a bunch of idiots.

[Tsunami]

I think you have to anaylyse what people say from a perspective of semantics.

I think the BSPA are idiots but that does not mean I think they are particularly unintelligent.

 

Let's face it for 15 years they had a massive boost from TV but failed to attract one single sponsor for thier league.

They failed to use the TV to thier advantage in promoting the sport to a wider audience.

They have made no attempt to showcase the sport by picking carefully matches to be shown on TV and were quite happy to fill the screen with dross that put off thier core speedway audience let alone brought a new audience to the sport.

They don't have a clue how to use the latest media to promote the sport.

 

They oversaw shambles after shambles with rules being bent, twisted, ignored and even made up on the fly to suit the favoured few.

They were selfish, greedy and spiteful and with thier petty point scoring were quite happy to see teams go out of existence rather than work together for the good of the sport.

 

They ignore thier core customers even to the point of treating them as the enemy.

They have squandered thier TV bounty and the goodwill between fan and promoter.

Now they realise they are in the s### and are asking the kids to pull them out of it.

 

To me that is a bunch of idiots.

 

And then folks wonder why Promoters don't read or get involved with the BSF.

This is the same guy who would give you the same rants whether it be religion, politics, voting, etc. he just jumbles the words around.

 

As someone on the tele used to say "calm down, calm down"

 

 

BTW it's 'their' not thier'.

Edited November 21, 2013 by Tsunami

[StevePark]

 

And then folks wonder why Promoters don't read or get involved with the BSF.

This is the same guy who would give you the same rants whether it be religion, politics, voting, etc. he just jumbles the words around.

 

As someone on the tele used to say "calm down, calm down"

 

 

BTW it's 'their' not thier'.

 

Harry Enfield (Scouse character who looked like Graeme Souness/Yozzer Hughes, with curly wig and false black 'tache).

Edited November 21, 2013 by The Abbott

[Arson fire]

 

Harry Enfield (Scouse character who looked like Graeme Souness/Yozzer Hughes, with curly wig and false black 'tache).

Which one?? Ga, Ba or Te...... Garry Barry and Terry.

[pugwash]

He has a holiday home nearby and we occasionaly see him knocking about.. Looks differant in real life.