iris123 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Trouble is i doubt anyone would say costs didn't need to be cut.If they got rid of all the best riders then people would be saying "I'm not going to watch that rubbish" If they upped prices people would say "I'm not paying that much to watch that rubbish".Not sure what alternative they really have apart from just forgetting no 6 + 7 and following the Danish style and just having 5 rider teams.Maybe 6 rider with one youngster?Of course it is cutting costs,but the hope is that it will build a decent group of homegrown youngsters and that would surely benefit the sport in the long run I don't see the idea as a negative step,just hope it doesn't end up in a farcical meltdown and they have to change the rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Cook, being vice chairman of the BSPA is hardly going to come out and say this idea is rubbish and we are using young lads to save British speedway is he..... And if this is working well in Sweden, who are the up and coming superstars that have benefited and developed like we are led to believe?? Rosen, Engman, thorsell?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Reading the article in the EDP, Rob Lyons added another description of the riders, able to facilitate the reserve berths in the team, as those riders being able to ride in the National League. This could eliminate some names, already mentioned. So that must be at least 4 different definitions of a NL rider. I see Poole are aiming for Kyle Newman who last rode NL in 2011 with PL/EL since then. Perhaps because they are having trouble fitting in Holder and Ward into the main team, Ward will be the other NL rider having riden for Boston in 2008!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) Richie Worrall tweeted that he is excited by the prospect of the new rule, reckons he has done all his learning in the EL . . . but what does he know? I'm not surprised he's happy, I would be equally happy if I was gifted a promotion that I had not earned. No offence intended whatsoever but Richie Worrall isn't exactly my idea of "elite". Edited November 19, 2013 by Synikalle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 He WILL be!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I would be happy as well if I was him ... with a couple of races against NL riders per meeting ! He won't be a reserve rider will he, too good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) I would be happy as well if I was him ... with a couple of races against NL riders per meeting ! Is no-one paying any attention! The 6 & 7 will have TWO programmed rides only; both against the opposing team's 6 & 7... How is that so many can't grasp this..?! Edited November 19, 2013 by Parsloes 1928 nearly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) Is no-one paying any attention! The 6 & 7 will have TWO programmed rides only; both against the opposing team's 6 & 7... How is that so many can't grasp this..?! What happens when a rider gets injured and rider replacement is required? Will these 13 heats be shared amongst the 1-5? How would this work fairly? Surely that would mean that if a rider 5th in the averages becomes injured and a guest is not available only the rider in 4th be able take his place? This would mean that rider would have to take up to 10 rides in a night? The only way we could have a rider in all races is if all the riders took an extra ride for him but that is just opening the door for abuse! The rider at the bottom of the 1-5 is having a bad month and he's not on the pace at all so he is pulled out sick or with an injury allowing the number 1 and 3 to take rides for him? £10 says this is the first rule Matt Ford is accused of manipulating next season. Edited November 19, 2013 by Synikalle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 "The 6 & 7 will have TWO programmed rides only; both against the opposing team's 6 & 7..." is incorrect. "The Elite League race format will be altered to hand these riders two races against their opposing reserves instead of one, and easier outings against rival second strings" was what Jon Cook said. Is no-one paying any attention? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 "The 6 & 7 will have TWO programmed rides only; both against the opposing team's 6 & 7..." is incorrect. "The Elite League race format will be altered to hand these riders two races against their opposing reserves instead of one, and easier outings against rival second strings" was what Jon Cook said. Is no-one paying any attention? Read my post above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) Trouble is i doubt anyone would say costs didn't need to be cut.If they got rid of all the best riders then people would be saying "I'm not going to watch that rubbish" If they upped prices people would say "I'm not paying that much to watch that rubbish".Not sure what alternative they really have apart from just forgetting no 6 + 7 and following the Danish style and just having 5 rider teams.Maybe 6 rider with one youngster?Of course it is cutting costs,but the hope is that it will build a decent group of homegrown youngsters and that would surely benefit the sport in the long run I don't see the idea as a negative step,just hope it doesn't end up in a farcical meltdown and they have to change the rule I purchase Heinz tomato ketchup from the shop every week. I don't buy the own brand ketchup. I can't afford to get all of my shopping brand label but there are one or two products that I particuarly enjoy and I like to spend a little extra on. If Heinz came out tomorrow and said "Business isn't doing so well at the moment, so we are going to use lower quality ingredients to save costs. The flavour won't be as good, but there will be more of it" then I would no longer spend my money on Heinz tomato ketchup! Some supporters on here, particuarly the more outspoken members, seem to believe that we owe the sport, and that we should attend in times of good and bad, in a way that is true, but when the product has been drastically altered then that's not the case and as a consumer you should not accept a lower standard of product or you allow it to become a precedent. I am not saying that promoters should run themselves in to the ground maintaining a league they cannot afford, I'm telling them they need to open their eyes and look outside of the speedway box. Watch how the world around you conducts their business and learn a thing or two about modern day marketing and the power of social media. Edited November 19, 2013 by Synikalle 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Read my post above. Why? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Why? Can you answer my questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Can you answer my questions? Only this one, which is no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I purchase Heinz tomato ketchup from the shop every week. I don't buy the own brand ketchup. I can't afford to get all of my shopping brand label but there are one or two products that I particuarly enjoy and I like to spend a little extra on. If Heinz came out tomorrow and said "Business isn't doing so well at the moment, so we are going to use lower quality ingredients to save costs. The flavour won't be as good, but there will be more of it" then I would no longer spend my money on Heinz tomato ketchup! Some supporters on here, particuarly the more outspoken members, seem to believe that we owe the sport, and that we should attend in times of good and bad, in a way that is true, but when the product has been drastically altered then that's not the case and as a consumer you should not accept a lower standard of product or you allow it to become a precedent. I am not saying that promoters should run themselves in to the ground maintaining a league they cannot afford, I'm telling them they need to open their eyes and look outside of the speedway box. Watch how the world around you conducts their business and learn a thing or two about modern day marketing and the power of social media. Saucy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Is no-one paying any attention! The 6 & 7 will have TWO programmed rides only; both against the opposing team's 6 & 7... How is that so many can't grasp this..?! Doh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 speedway promoters are soo reliable on sky, and scared of losing them...... just do your jobs properly and PROMOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what does Ipswich speedway do to promote it in the area?....... I promote shows, I walk streets putting flyers in EVERY door, I hit the whole area. yes it takes time, but advertising your product need to be seen.........Louis" will soon get bucket out again when needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILYRAG Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 He won't be a reserve rider will he, too good! He will be second string though and if the reserves are going to race each other twice I would imagine their other two will be againt second string riders. Is no-one paying any attention! The 6 & 7 will have TWO programmed rides only; both against the opposing team's 6 & 7... How is that so many can't grasp this..?! and they will learn what from that and who has the other two rides the reserves had last season ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 He will be second string though and if the reserves are going to race each other twice I would imagine their other two will be againt second string riders.and they will learn what from that and who has the other two rides the reserves had last season ? See what u mean . . . . I'll live in hope that the young Brits will come on in leaps and bounds through the new system so good for all :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 See what u mean . . . . I'll live in hope that the young Brits will come on in leaps and bounds through the new system so good for all :-) I hope so too - so long as they don't lose confidence after taking regular hidings from Elite League second strings. They will certainly find out how far they have to go to become Top League Riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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