salty Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Except that Christer wasn't the top man. Olle Nygren was. Offical figures provided by the BLPA at end of 1971 season Lofqvist CMA 8.75 Nygren CMA 8.12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 The thing is that King's Lynn have spent time, effort and money developing both Lewis Kerr & Robert lambert, with there policy of bringing on riders. Don't think you should go too overboard on how much King's Lynn have spent on Robert Lamberts development.The people who have spent most time,effort and money on his development are his parents taking him around the country and over the past couple of years over to germany to really get him going.Saying that,it will make sense in him riding for a local club,if he wants to. The one thing about the young guys in the EL now is you have to stick with the system.It won't be a quick fix and at the end of the season we will have some great new superstars.Ok,maybe Lambert will be that anyway.But from my experience in Germany it was tried and dropped far too quickly to have any impact.Think the idea only lasted a season before they changed to 2 U21 riders of any nationality.It is clear GB doesn't have the strength in depth of Poland or Denmark,so at first some of the guys will be way off the likes of Lambert.This needs to be in place for a few years before we will see the benefits.Hope this isn't another idea for a year and next year we have the next new idea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Well that's nice ... neither he nor you will have to pick up the pieces when it goes wrong ... I admire Tai Woffinden for winning this year's world title having been written off by many pundits before the season started but that doesn't make him any sort of expert on the viability of a project like this. T On the other hand it doesn't make him any less of an expert than you. Unless you have a crystal ball I am not sure why your opinions which you have set out so dogmatically should carry any more weight than Tai's, 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmuffe Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I am sure it will be corrected if I am wrong, one of the reasons for the conversion rate being favourable to come down was to help Brits with the cutback in EL fixtures now this has been rectified .............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Keep seeing Robert Lambert's name mentioned, which throws up another question which the BSPA may or may not have thought of. Lambert, I assume can't be included in this draft. But he turns 16 in early April, and then would be eligible to ride PL and EL. So will a team be allowed to drop one of their reserves as early as April and bring Lambert into his place? Edited November 18, 2013 by John Leslie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Keep seeing Robert Lambert's name mentioned, which throws up another question which the BSPA may or may not have thought of. Lambert, I assume can't be included in this draft. But he turns 16 in early April, and then would be eligible to ride PL and EL. So will a team be allowed to drop one of their reserves as early as April and bring Lambert into his place? I was just jumping to conclusions as he is an obvious choice here.But ......what if he isn't in the initial 20 riders?How do you go about dropping one of these 20 and get a replacement?Will there be a list of maybe 30 riders,so you have a few reserve reserves?It does say only 20 will be chosen,so could Lambert will be in from the start and maybe King's Lynn won't start their fixtures until he is of age...... Edited November 18, 2013 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I am sure it will be corrected if I am wrong, one of the reasons for the conversion rate being favourable to come down was to help Brits with the cutback in EL fixtures now this has been rectified .............. Not really, more of an imbalance between the perceived strength of the EL over the getting stronger PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Keep seeing Robert Lambert's name mentioned, which throws up another question which the BSPA may or may not have thought of. Lambert, I assume can't be included in this draft. But he turns 16 in early April, and then would be eligible to ride PL and EL. So will a team be allowed to drop one of their reserves as early as April and bring Lambert into his place? He will just have to wait for next years draft! And maybe they could use the draft system that American sports have! The team that finishes last gets first pick of the fresh young talent! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 From what I am reading there will be two reserve heats. Previously the reserves only had an easy ride in heat 2, in their other rides they were up against the better riders in heat 4 for example two number 7's were up against the number 5's. Their average therefore was based on riding against better riders, but under this new proposal they will have a false average as they meet lesser opposition in two out of their 3 rides (assume minimum of 3 still applies) or 4 programmed rides rides (assume this is the same). My point is they could improve their average and go up into the top 5 based on a false average and struggle for a month or two before they drop down again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muirspud Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 "There is a firm emphasis on British youth, as all ten clubs will be tracking two riders from a list of rising stars selected by national senior and Under-21 officials." So it could possibly be alot of youngsters who could be picked as the stars of tommorow, Cook, Auty, Newman, Howarth, Garrity? I know some of these arent U21, but i suppose everything depends on if its gonna be a set criteria or flexible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Shaker Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 He will just have to wait for next years draft! And maybe they could use the draft system that American sports have! The team that finishes last gets first pick of the fresh young talent! Imagine the dive in moral for the rider who gets picked last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 From what I am reading there will be two reserve heats. Previously the reserves only had an easy ride in heat 2, in their other rides they were up against the better riders in heat 4 for example two number 7's were up against the number 5's. Their average therefore was based on riding against better riders, but under this new proposal they will have a false average as they meet lesser opposition in two out of their 3 rides (assume minimum of 3 still applies) or 4 programmed rides rides (assume this is the same). My point is they could improve their average and go up into the top 5 based on a false average and struggle for a month or two before they drop down again. They dont move from reserve! 6&7 are a fixed position! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 From what I am reading there will be two reserve heats. Previously the reserves only had an easy ride in heat 2, in their other rides they were up against the better riders in heat 4 for example two number 7's were up against the number 5's. Their average therefore was based on riding against better riders, but under this new proposal they will have a false average as they meet lesser opposition in two out of their 3 rides (assume minimum of 3 still applies) or 4 programmed rides rides (assume this is the same). My point is they could improve their average and go up into the top 5 based on a false average and struggle for a month or two before they drop down again. The riders in question will stay at reserve all season, but I don't think they will get new averages based on these equal ability races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Imagine the dive in moral for the rider who gets picked last. It works in american football, it keeps the leagues close and nobody gets all the big stars and best players! Isnt it the same at the start of every season when riders get dropped and replaced! Part and part of sport and professionals (yes i know there young men) should take the positives not the negatives...Prove people wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) This is getting more dodgy all the time. Are we now to believe that Morris and Vatcher are going to pick a pool of low average PL riders and NL riders, and these get allocated to clubs? I can see a lot of scope for allegations of favouritism if it's done like that. What if they select a 19-year-old with a 3.89 average, but don't include the 17-year-old with a 3.99 average? Surely the way to do it should have been to let clubs sign a top 5 with an average below 32, and then sign two reserves who must be British, Under 23, and with an average below the No.5 That would have been the sensible way of doing it Edited November 18, 2013 by bigcatdiary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 It works in american football, it keeps the leagues close and nobody gets all the big stars and best players! Isnt it the same at the start of every season when riders get dropped and replaced! Part and part of sport and professionals (yes i know there young men) should take the positives not the negatives...Prove people wrong! They will probably never know if they are last picked IMO. I think there will be offers to ride declined, and I think there will be a fair amount of turmoil until it is all sorted. Then of course it will all be back on, when riders get injured and need to be replaced. Sods law would suggest the spare riders will be in the South and the new vacancy will be in the North. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 It works in american football I'd imagine the minimum of $6K per week that lower order draft picks make in training camp.. and then $100K for the season if they make squad softens the blow a bit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Could be interesting if the no 4 or no 5 rider gets injured and the team has to use R/R, who is eligible to take his rides. Be interesting to see if Olly Allen rides EL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I think the majority of decisions made at the recent AGM have a positive feel to them. Obviously there are areas that need to be addressed in more detail but generally I feel the promoters have tried to change things for the better. We need more structure for new British riders and fast tracking them, instead of foreigners, has to be good. There have been many questions on how it will be achieved but unlike others, I will wait for the details before offering an opinion. Without doubt the worse announcement to come from the meeting was the closure of Peterborough Speedway. Even when there was a millionaire at the helm, prepared to plough in money, it just shows how precarious some clubs are. Sponsorship is ok, but nothing can replace the interest from supporters and the ability to run the club in a viable way. Just a shame with this announcement goes one of the best race track in the country and the club that created fierce local rivalry Sincerely hope a buyer is found soon. In these economic times are there people still prepared to lose money? People usually buy things that will guarantee a financial return rather than to make sure they will lose money just to satisfy an ego trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 What's clear from all reports this year is that the EL clubs have all suffered financially for the past few years but despite that Leicester, Ipswich, Rye House and even Workington were supposedly interested in coming up despite the fact that the Sky contract is in serious doubt. Do they know something we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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