Mark Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 MY understanding is that the heats involving NL riders will be "protected" which presumably means they will only race against each other... Is that how Sweden do it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muirspud Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Think we gotta let them release a full statement before getting to over excited at seeing a national league rider go should to shoulder with Holder and Ward etc.... Hopefully its along the lines of those who have been in recent British U21 finals or Under 25, British and not yet gone Elite on a permanent occasion. May just give some riders who arent upto a consistant premier league level a new lease of live to gain the confidence again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers in Gravy Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Exactly HOW will that bring them on in their Speedway Career Development - Simple answer is - IT WON'T. The National League Riders, if forced to move up at all, should be racing in the Premier League. That would make some sort of sense. As it is - Elite League Supporters are going to have to put up with their Teams being degraded (again), pay the same or more Entrance money and the National League Riders will get no chance to prove themselves against better Riders and will be absolutely murdered if they do. How this is going to help with improving a Riders ability by riding against better Riders, he can't. Perhaps in the Premier League this sort of idea might have worked - but - NOT in the Elite League. You'd think so, wouldn't you? But the fact is the Premier League (while being a pretty good product in itself) hasn't done nearly enough to bring on new British talent. There are far too many third-rate foreigners earning easy money in the league and British riders seem to reach a certain level and sink into a comfort zone. Sure, Woffinden came through the PL, but where are the other British riders (Bomber excepted) capable of challenging for a GP place? Progress for British riders is painfully slow compared to the Scandinavian countries, Kyle Howarth, Ashley Birks and others are good lads, but shouldn't they be regularly winning EL races by now? Don't get me wrong, I really like the PL, but in reality it's a stand-alone, semi-pro league that hasn't been about rider development for many years. Putting two and two together (and probably making five) I suspect the EL promoters are deliberately easing the PL to one side with the aim of using the NL as a direct source of home-grown and (hopefully) cheaper talent. Without knowing what the heat formula will be and exactly how riders will be allocated it's hard to predict how this will turn out, but if it does bring on young British riders and maybe reduce the need for guest reserves then I can't see the problem. And, of course, Terry Russell can now go to Sky and tell them an agreement has been reached which will keep Tai, Darcy, Chris, Niels and so on, in British racing, while the brightest British talent will be fast-tracked into the league - TV loves that kind of stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) I hope all the british riders get an elite league chance not just NL but where is the reduction in admission to entice the most important people (the supporters) back to the sport. This imo was the first important step the sport has to make to getting the missing thousands back .Sadly it hasnt happened and i cant see the sport recovering any time soon Edited November 17, 2013 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Is that how Sweden do it ? They get two reserve races but in others are up against heat leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 will admission prices be lowered now then as can't expect people to pay £17 still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 If NL riders only race each other, what good is that? We tried this scheme in 1993 and I can't recall anyone coming through that season with flying colours. I remember, because juniors raced each other only, average calculations were halfed... meaning youngsters couldn't progress out of reserve into the team and stayed racing the same fellas all year, despite some looking to have upt another level and were capable of going against second strings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 To make the ruling of 2 National League riders for the Elite League reserve places is ludicrous I can understand the reasoning behind it by giving British riders a chance to improve but the practicalities are out of this world. Most of these riders find it difficult to hold down a Premier League reserve spot let alone an Elite League spot, all that is going to happen is that they are going to lose so many races that their bank balance and their confidence is going take a beating, their heads will drop and there is the possibility that we could lose them to the sport which will result in less British riders available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Diamond Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I always wanted a rule to help brits that are not potential stars from day 1 but could improve but spots are taken by poor foreigners at reserve. However they seemed to have made a mess of it, it Should have been 1 nl in pl teams to help them develop and maybe get better equipment and experience and hopefully improve. Good example paul Starke waited a long time but took his chance. Then EL have 1 decent pl proven brit like Kerr,Newman,Howarth and Birks and hope they improve with the constabt rides at higher level. Instead system is basically cheap riders as second half but counts as team points that will lose confidence by being thrown in the deep end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 These NL reserves could well benefit from the Sky money if TV comes off. Some of the money could be directed towards these lads equipment to bring them on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 glad there will now be more meetings. hoping admission prices will be lowered through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 These NL reserves could well benefit from the Sky money if TV comes off. Some of the money could be directed towards these lads equipment to bring them on. That's one positive I suppose... I can't see these changes requiring them not to freeze in front of big crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 glad there will now be more meetings. hoping admission prices will be lowered through Doubt admission will reduce but may well be held at 2013 prices. Great news on 2 home 2 away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 pie in the sky then wanting a £10 sport...i wish i had some answers to the money challenges...but i haven't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Doubt admission will reduce but may well be held at 2013 prices. Great news on 2 home 2 away. yet league watered down and people will pick and choice meetings which will lead to lower crowds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluTiger Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 These NL reserves could well benefit from the Sky money if TV comes off. Some of the money could be directed towards these lads equipment to bring them on. Wont happen, never has and never will. Any money will go to the 'top boys' as it always does and always will. That's why the league is in a mess and will only get worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 These NL reserves could well benefit from the Sky money if TV comes off. Some of the money could be directed towards these lads equipment to bring them on. Much more likely to end up in the pockets of the 'Superstars' who ride in the the UK on the 'cheap' Compared to Poland and Sweden - a comment made by a few Elite riders of note! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 So we can think of half a dozen over 20 years that its worked for then , great ! Where did you get the 20 years from? I'm talking about the compulsory junior rider scheme which last for two seasons from 1986. Read the latest Backtrack for full details! Screen and Stoney came along later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Using the end-of-2013 greensheet averages (and for the sake of this quick example, transferring Peterborough's top-5 straight over to Leicester), here's how the "top-5 / 32-point-Elite-limit" rule looks ... Belle Vue ... Zagar, Cook, Wolbert, Zetterstrom, Nieminen ... 30.68 giving 1.32 to play with Birmingham ... Smolinski, King, Doyle, Harris, Barker ... 35.61 (keeping Auty as a Brit reduces the total to 32.95 if replacing Smolinski or 33.21 if replacing Doyle so that's still around a point too heavy) Coventry ... Sundstrom, Nicholls, Zengota, Allen, Szczepaniak ... 30.61 giving 1.39 to play with Eastbourne ... B-Pedersen, Woodward, L-Dryml, Nilsson, Gustafsson ... 30.51 giving 1.49 to play with King's Lynn ... Iversen, Korneliussen, Schlein, R-Worrall, L-Bjerre ... 32.99, hence 0.99 heavy Lakeside ... P-Karlsson, Watt, Ulamek, Bridger, Swiderski ... 34.67 (keeping Lawson as a Brit reduces the total to 32.87 if replacing Ulamek or 33.25 if replacing Swiderski so that's still around a point too heavy) Leicester (using Peterborough's figures) ... K-Bjerre, Buczkowski, Kylmakorpi, Hougaard, Fisher ... 34.80, hence 2.80 heavy Poole ... Ward, Hancock, Janowski, Jonasson, Tungate ... 35.07, hence 3.07 heavy Swindon ... Andersen, Kildemand, Batchelor, Kennett, Morris ... 37.09 (Howarth 4.28 and Birks 3.06 reduce the total to 30.28 or 30.32 depending on whether Kildemand or Batchelor is replaced along with Morris definitely being replaced) Wolverhampton ... Woffinden, F-Lindgren, Skornicki, Wells, Miskowiak ... 34.74 (assuming F-Lindgren doesn't return, that makes it 25.80, leaving 6.20 for his replacement) Edited November 17, 2013 by arthur cross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 So the criteria is... British passport previously rode NL but never EL Under 21 ...Cameron Heeps anyone??!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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