British Speedway Promoters Meeting

[Tom Turner]

Can't you talk to your local promoter instead, perhaps he can give you an insight into why these decisions have been made? And try to do some sort of deal with them to make a difference yourself to British speedway?

 

I have tried so many times. I have spoken to many promoters and others involved with the sport, all the way to the top. I have even offered our services free of charge for a whole season just to show them what can really be done with the right minds in the right places. At worst I have been completely ignored and not even offered the courtesy of a reply or acknowledgement, at best I have been told that they are not interested.

 

The promoters are sports fans and average businessmen, not marketing graduates who know what they are talking about and can really make a difference.

That's all supposition and maybe's, they have taken steps to address the current problems. They aren't necessarily reducing the quality of the racing , everyone reckons that PL racing is more interesting and exciting than EL, but in most cases the riders are of a lower ranking. I see that you appear to support Poole, don't judge the other clubs by their standards, most other clubs have less crowds, lower potential catchment areas and are totally inaccessible to anyone who doesn't have their own transport. Anyway I'll let you have the last word, or is it "moan"?

 

With all due respect you are a perfect example of the ignorance shared by many of the promoters. They are not "supposition and maybe's", they are tried and tested methods employed by all top businesses but you are simply out of touch with them.

 

Even Poole is far from the standard the UK is capable of achieving with the right minds in the right places.

So Koscuich gets £100 + a point, air fares paid, a van, a mechanic to ride at reserve, but a British youngster is only worth £40 a point. stop pretending that this is being done to help them.

 

Spot on.

Edited November 24, 2013 by Synikalle

[g13webb]

 

No this is completely wrong. You are a prime example of everything wrong with British Speedway.

 

They do not need to take expensive measures at all! There are many entirely free marketing options that would help increase attendances across the UK without a doubt. I work for a marketing company which boasts an impressive array of clients and case studies. British Speedway does NOTHING in the form of marketing, or at least nothing of value.

 

Speedway is a brilliant and exciting sport! There is nothing wrong with it except the complete lack of hype and knowledge. I have never met a single person my age who is familiar with speedway and that is the real issue. The die hard older generation will keep attending, so forget about them! We need to focus each and every one of our efforts on targeting new fans aged 12 - 30.

 

The BSPA need to stop resting on their laurels as they are clearly not working. Audiences are overwhelmingly of an older generation and in years to come there will be no new blood in the sport to take over when they are no longer around.

 

If the BSPA were to set up a designated marketing team who could handle the offline aspect of advertising and most crucially of all the online aspect of social media and advertising it would only take a very minimal contribution from each club. This alone could double audiences within just a couple of years!

 

Reducing the quality of the product to minimize costs is not the way forward! It's like moving your straw around the bottom of the cup to suck up the last few drops when really it need's a refill.

 

If you'd like to pretend these issues don't exist then be my guest, the BSPA have been doing it for the last 10 years

 

 

 

 

I live in a neighbouring town from Kings Lynn, about 10 mile away. and you see nothing in regards to advertising speedway or reports of meetings. There could be loads of people interested and not even know there is a meeting on.... Plain Crazy.......

Edited November 24, 2013 by GRW123

[E I Addio]

After just checking Twitter, it would seem Lewis might be changing his mind, after Phil Morris gave him a call and explained everything.

 

You have to laugh. A rider apparently gets the wrong end of the stick, the forum mal-contents take it as gospel and go into meltdown, Wizzer clarifies the position with the rider , but the forum experts (Who have absolutely no idea how it is going to work) are predicting Armageddon.

 

Give it a break guys. We haven't even had the post-AGM meeting yet , let alone rules being published and the season is still 4 months away. The only thing we can say for sure is Phil Morris is known to be a good bloke , has a passion for the sport and up till now has never really put his name to anything that is detrimental to youth training so maybe one or two should wait until we have the complete picture before jumping in with their size 13's. Plenty of time for that, if necessary when all the details are out.

[Vince]

 

You have to laugh. A rider apparently gets the wrong end of the stick, the forum mal-contents take it as gospel and go into meltdown, Wizzer clarifies the position with the rider , but the forum experts (Who have absolutely no idea how it is going to work) are predicting Armageddon.

 

Give it a break guys. We haven't even had the post-AGM meeting yet , let alone rules being published and the season is still 4 months away. The only thing we can say for sure is Phil Morris is known to be a good bloke , has a passion for the sport and up till now has never really put his name to anything that is detrimental to youth training so maybe one or two should wait until we have the complete picture before jumping in with their size 13's. Plenty of time for that, if necessary when all the details are out.

Was just about to post something very similar. I don't know a great deal about Phil Morris, what I do know and have seen over a good few years is that he is very keen on helping youngsters make their way in Speedway. I don't believe that there is any way he would involve himself in a scheme that would hurt the development of young British riders.

 

If that pay rate is right it may not be a great payday but these are kids who generally would be riding NL at £10 per point (in theory) or PL and not earning any or much more than they are being offered. We don't yet know what the package is but the opportunity is there for a kid to make some big strides if they take advantage of it. As for upgrading to EL equipment that's not strictly true as they will be riding against the same people they would be in the NL and PL. However when the time comes to make the step up perhaps they will be better informed as to the upgrades they really need to make rather than just throwing money at stuff that won't actually make them faster.

[Phil The Ace]

Just seen this in the speedway star.

 

Grants are being considered for elite and premiere league teams who set up second sides in the national league. Subject to a new television contract being agreed.

 

Great idea this.

[pandorum]

As for upgrading to EL equipment that's not strictly true as they will be riding against the same people they would be in the NL and PL.

But shirley that's not true at all. They will ride against #2 and #4 one would presume which in a team say like Poole might be someone of the calibre of Thomas H Jonason or Maciej Janowski.

Also they are reserves and will cover for injuries during meetings, R/R, tape exclusions and riders who can't be bothered to come out because thier bike is crap that night.

[Vince]

With a team strength of 38 points they won't come up against too many top riders at second string.

[Walshy1974]

It's simple, I won't be attending speedway in Britain next year and would urge others to do the same.

 

I will save my money and travel to a Polish Ekstraliga match or two.

Very adult like

[Grachan]

I can't work out if you're very stupid or very very stupid.

 

 

 

That's because you are very very stupid.

 

 

 

Did Kunta Kinte have to buy a van, two bikes, tools , kevlars, helmets etched.. Pay a mechanic, diesel and engine servicing ?

 

It's a job for lots of riders. If you're not racing, you're working on bikes. Would you do all that work with the fair chance that some weeks you may end up injured / out of pocket.?

 

No he didn't. He had no choice what he did. That's because he was a.. what's the word?.. oh yeah, slave. What you describe may not be ideal, but it sure ain't slavery.

 

The riders do this out of choice and they have a choice not to do it if they prefer not to.

[weatherwatcher]

I have seen a lot of the foriegn reserve riders in the E/L and the young Brits should be easily ride to some of the standards that they have bben doing.

How many E/L clubs have brought them over to race and dropped them after just a few races as what they did was just rubbish.

It seems like an all expenses paid jolly to the UK, don't bother how they ride just have a good time while it lasted, never to be seen over here again. I believe that the young Brits will come on much stronger with the help from a decent promoter and help fron the team mates he associates with in the pits and on the track,

I think Phil Morris is one amoung many who will help these lads, give us some racing that will be good to watch as the season progesses.

I think we just need to give it a few months and then we may just see some new stars in the making.

Can't wait to see the list when it ccomes out and what team gets who. I hope they don't send them from one end of the country to the other to ride and that they can at least send them to a track that is close to them. They need all the help they can get.

Legts hope it works out for them and lets give them all the support and blessing we can give them.

Because speedway in the UK can't carry on the way it is now or it will be all or and done with in 10 years time if not before. Drastic measures where needed, this has happened and still people sre not happy.

[E I Addio]

 

Also they are reserves and will cover for injuries during meetings, R/R, tape exclusions and riders who can't be bothered to come out because thier bike is crap that night.

 

How do you know that if the rules not been published ? Don't you think it would make more sense to wait and see how the 2014 rules govern No 6&7 riders.?? It obviously suits your agenda to base your fault-finding on speculation rather than fact but until you know what the rules say you are simply guessing. If you stop and think about it for about two milliseconds it is quite possible to formulate an arrangement whereby the !-5 might cover to some extent for each other..

[oldtimer]

Jon Cook in the Star says, "were giving the 6 and 7 riders a set rate guaranteeing them a set amount of money, so they know their expenses are covered before they've turned a wheel."

He must be living in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks £120 will do that. From what I have read it is hoped the reserves will improve rapidly with the experience. That may have applied in the days before the new silencers and lay down engines when throttle control and skill was important, but now, although some skill comes into it, it's mostly who can afford to throw the most money at their equipment. The riders will stay at reserve all season, this was tried before and then Steve Boxall came along. I think there will be another AGM mid season when all the rules will be altered again.

Edited November 24, 2013 by oldtimer

[orion]

 

Because speedway in the UK can't carry on the way it is now or it will be all or and done with in 10 years time if not before. Drastic measures where needed, this has happened and still people sre not happy.

But it's doing the same as it has been the last 10 years ..bringing in rules that will bring in less fans ...unless more fans are found speedway will be dead .this is hardly a drastic measure it's just another way of trying to save money thinking that the same numbers will still come and watch .

[Tom Turner]

Very adult like

 

Yes. A consumer making the decison not to spend their money on a product that does not cater to their requirements is very "adult like".

 

What a foolish post.

Edited November 24, 2013 by Synikalle

[Trees]

I live in a neighbouring town from Kings Lynn, about 10 mile away. and you see nothing in regards to advertising speedway or reports of meetings. There could be loads of people interested and not even know there is a meeting on.... Plain Crazy.......

I've thought about that, why don't promotions approach someone like Vistaprint, they produce banners for next to nothing, as do our local school come to that!

[The White Knight]

 

Audiences are overwhelmingly of an older generation and in years to come there will be no new blood in the sport to take over when they are no longer around.

 

 

 

Speaking as one of those will 'no longer be around' - you are right - on this Point at least. That is why I 'Liked' your Post.

[jimmy jimmy]

 

Yes. A consumer making the decison not to spend their money on a product that does not cater to their requirements is very "adult like".

 

What a foolish post.

Well off you go to Poland then. I just hope the away team turns up for you.

 

 

Speaking as one of those will 'no longer be around' - you are right - on this Point at least. That is why I 'Liked' your Post.

Half the population are over 50 and have the disposable income, so it is s good part of the market to attract. 20 somethings rarely attend sporting events on a regular basis

[Guest]

I have seen a lot of the foriegn reserve riders in the E/L and the young Brits should be easily ride to some of the standards that they have bben doing.

How many E/L clubs have brought them over to race and dropped them after just a few races as what they did was just rubbish.

It seems like an all expenses paid jolly to the UK, don't bother how they ride just have a good time while it lasted, never to be seen over here again. I believe that the young Brits will come on much stronger with the help from a decent promoter and help fron the team mates he associates with in the pits and on the track,

I think Phil Morris is one amoung many who will help these lads, give us some racing that will be good to watch as the season progesses.

I think we just need to give it a few months and then we may just see some new stars in the making.

Can't wait to see the list when it ccomes out and what team gets who. I hope they don't send them from one end of the country to the other to ride and that they can at least send them to a track that is close to them. They need all the help they can get.

Legts hope it works out for them and lets give them all the support and blessing we can give them.

Because speedway in the UK can't carry on the way it is now or it will be all or and done with in 10 years time if not before. Drastic measures where needed, this has happened and still people sre not happy.

 

 

But it's doing the same as it has been the last 10 years ..bringing in rules that will bring in less fans ...unless more fans are found speedway will be dead .this is hardly a drastic measure it's just another way of trying to save money thinking that the same numbers will still come and watch .

 

I think we are looking at a 10 year time scale to the end of UK speedway in the team racing format as we know it. Then it will become just a group of riders under one organisation staging irregular meetings at various tracks/stadiums during the summer months. Some like USA sprit car racing's 'World of Outlaws' or some of their touring midget car groups.

Edited November 24, 2013 by Guest

[A ORLOV]

 

 

 

I think we are looking at a 10 year time scale to the end of UK speedway in the team racing format as we know it. Then it will become just a group of riders under one organisation staging irregular meetings at various tracks/stadiums during the summer months. Some like USA sprit car racing's 'World of Outlaws' or some of their touring midget car groups.

 

 

 

 

I think we are looking at a 10 year time scale to the end of UK speedway in the team racing format as we know it. Then it will become just a group of riders under one organisation staging irregular meetings at various tracks/stadiums during the summer months. Some like USA sprit car racing's 'World of Outlaws' or some of their touring midget car groups.

Will they then be able to get rid of the FIM control and other controlling bodies who seem just to take money out of the sport and cause problems.

[Mike.Butler]

amateur speedway at arlington on summer sundays in 10 years time..i'm actually looking forward to it! (hope to still be around)