brewer Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 My thoughts too! British or not, what are last years Elite reserves going to do ? If the Elite teams cherry pick their 1 to 5 and have the reserves allotted, there wont be any room for them........Anywhere! Maybe a weeding out of second-rate foreign riders is long overdue - our league system has done far more for Australian speedway over the last few years than it has for British speedway. It is tough on riders like Auty, Howarth, Birks and Lawson (among others), but they have had a lot of chances in the top league and come up short. but how many chances have ostergaard, a,dryml, summers, kosciusch, lahti, l.lindgren, kozza, north hadall ending up at reserve this year, much rather brits given a shot and the backing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 No one is even giving it a chance to work.It didn't work properly in the 2006 Premier League when it had a better chance of succeeding given the smaller gap between the graded reserves and the top riders in that league. Lets see if they are up to it.Plenty of the riders who'll be needed to fill these reserve gradings have already proved they're barely "up to it" as reserves in the Premier League. They can be no worse than some of the poor overseas reserves we have ben seeing here in the last few years.Trouble is, they won't be any better either ... and in quite a few cases, hard though it may be for you to believe, they will be worse. Given the chance they may turn out to be stars of the future and give us a team GB to be proud ofPlease can I have something of what you've been drinking or smoking this weekend if you think this policy will make any difference to future GB teams ... there are already enough opportunities for any young Brit with enough talent to climb up into an Elite League top-5 as proved in the last couple of years by Richie Worrall. In fact, Richie probably wouldn't have ridden in enough National League meetings in 2010 to qualify for a 2011 Elite League reserve-grading if this system had been in place at the time ... instead, his first full Premier season in 2011 along with a few Elite appearances gave him a much more natural progression towards a regular Elite team place in 2012 & '13. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 4 of the initial 20 graded-reserves next March have quit their Elite League place by the end of the season citing "burnt out" as the reason because 36 meetings mixing with the superstars is going to be far greater a mental challenge than they'll expect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 but how many chances have ostergaard, a,dryml, summers, kosciusch, lahti, l.lindgren, kozza, north hadall ending up at reserve this year, much rather brits given a shot and the backing Bit harsh on Dak, last year was his first in the Elite full time, increasing his average by nearly a point.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 if analysed properly then this system effectively takes out 4 wages a meeting as the N L boys will I am sure not impact the overall figure too much... if say on average 1K per rider per night (inc points money, air fares/van hire/hotel bills etc etc) then that saves the sport 4k a meeting... over a full season that's a hell of a lot of costs removed... if nothing else, well done to the promoters for eventually waking up and smelling the coffee.. let's hope it works for the long term good of the sport.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRushbrook Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Howarth and Lawson are just starting to come on so this is not the time to confine them to the PL. The ruling is done with good intentions but im not sure they have thought this through properly. Wouldn't be surprised if this is heavily revised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 What a complete fudge they have made of it ?....if you look at my A Plan for speedway of the future that is what needed to happen. I am all for opportunities for our young riders but 2 NL riders at the base of each EL team,,,you cannot sell that to the paying public or sponsors. Those riders need to develop through the PL, which incidentally will the season take over as British Speedways favoured league. What were the promoters doing in the conference ? if I read it correct they have not even managed to rid us of the hated tactical or joker ride !. Not sure speedway in these difficult economic times will survive this level of indecision by the promoters ....2014 could well be the death nell of speedway in Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Is alright telling people to wind their necks in but the likes of Birks, Auty, Howarth and Lawson could now miss out as their averages may not be appealing to how teams may be set up. So we give some kids a chance but bin off the more established kids. Excellent idea isn't it, dear oh dear The whole thing seems/feels ill thought out to me. No he isn't. Jake Knight hasn't quit. He rode for us in the NL when dropped from Sheffield and is looking for NL / PL again next season. You had better change that to 'Elite League' place. There is a heck of a difference between the best twenty young British riders, whether under-23 or under-21 or any other arbitrary figure, and the top twenty National League riders, for what are pretty obvious reasons unless the Premier League has mysteriously ceased to exist. Yes, it's great to give protected team places to young British riders but only if it is the best that are included. Using the best is a talent-developing strategy, just using 20 NL riders is suspiciously close to just employing riders on the cheap and passing it off as some grand strategy. Funny how the BSPA wake up to promoting British talent once the financial drip-feed is under threat. If this was a properly though-out scheme to promote young British talent I'd support it completely. I really don't think it is. The comparison is made with Poland and Sweden. I would suggest that the riders involved in those countries are at a rather later stage of development than the NL. The progression of course should be NL-PL-EL. The fundamental failure of this scheme is the suspicion that that vital middle step is being omitted. I hope it works but really can't see how it's more than exploitation rather giving opportunities - as it has been every time I've seen it tried before. What we have here is instead of stripping cost out of the EL consistently through the riding order we're probably seeing second strings replaced by NL riders. On a different note we are told that a new TV deal is imminent - it would be interesting to see how much money is on the table.... An excellent Post rmc. The Elite League are trying to run their League on the CHEAP. Has precious little to do with nurturing BRITISH talent. ......................... and they have kept the bl**dy Double Points - if it wasn't so tragic - it would be laughable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Okay the BSPA are trying to improve young riders from the NL even though they are going about it the completly wrong way! This could have an effect on young riders in the PL who would normally double up as a second string or a reserve. As there chances are now even slimmer of doubling up. for example riders like Kyle Newman and Lewis Kerr how are they going to develop as riders if they are going to have less meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Like I said, all about getting a TV deal by making it easier to keep the top riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Anyone know when the NL riders will be assigned their EL clubs? PL clubs have their teams to build, so hopefully ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers in Gravy Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 but how many chances have ostergaard, a,dryml, summers, kosciusch, lahti, l.lindgren, kozza, north hadall ending up at reserve this year, much rather brits given a shot and the backing That's the point I was making. We'll see fewer sub-standard foreigners and many more British riders on Elite League tracks next year and - as long as the heat formula is sympathetic - that can only be a good thing for the future. Some PL-standard Brits may suffer a setback in the short-term, but if the likes of Auty, Lawson and Birks are good enough, they will come again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Anyone know when the NL riders will be assigned their EL clubs? PL clubs have their teams to build, so hopefully ASAP. Delighted to see Glasgow are down to come to the Tapes next Season George. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Sad for Peterbro,makes you wonder how many more would've gone without change Good to see more emphasis on Brits,I just hope promoters will stand by them and give them a fair crack, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Delighted to see Glasgow are down to come to the Tapes next Season George. Cheers TWK. Relief! Just having a wee half to celebrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Cheers TWK. Relief! Just having a wee half to celebrate. Cheers my friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 if analysed properly then this system effectively takes out 4 wages a meeting as the N L boys will I am sure not impact the overall figure too much... if say on average 1K per rider per night (inc points money, air fares/van hire/hotel bills etc etc) then that saves the sport 4k a meeting... over a full season that's a hell of a lot of costs removed... if nothing else, well done to the promoters for eventually waking up and smelling the coffee.. let's hope it works for the long term good of the sport.. Why would it take out four wages?The NL boys could be in demand so could get a higher points money.And at the end of the day there will always be the same amount of points up for grabs in a match.At present teams have to be paid on 90pts in a match regardless of who rides for who.The only way to bring costs down is to pay less per point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 if analysed properly then this system effectively takes out 4 wages a meeting as the N L boys will I am sure not impact the overall figure too much... if say on average 1K per rider per night (inc points money, air fares/van hire/hotel bills etc etc) then that saves the sport 4k a meeting... over a full season that's a hell of a lot of costs removed... if nothing else, well done to the promoters for eventually waking up and smelling the coffee.. let's hope it works for the long term good of the sport.. So the points reserve used to score just disappear? There 95 points in a meeting on average (about 5 bonus points scored on average). That will still be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 So the points reserve used to score just disappear? There 95 points in a meeting on average (about 5 bonus points scored on average). That will still be the case. but less money spent on crap foreigners flying them in etc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 but less money spent on crap foreigners flying them in etcBecause of course, promoters spend £x on the rider and THEN paid the airfares. No, they had £x to spend including the airfares. If the rider didn't need airfares he would have got a great signing on bonus/points money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Because of course, promoters spend £x on the rider and THEN paid the airfares. No, they had £x to spend including the airfares. If the rider didn't need airfares he would have got a great signing on bonus/points money. either way signing british is better, deal with it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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