Shale Shaker Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 And you know better, do you? Yes I think I do. A team manager is like any other manager when it comes to handling his team members - or employees if you like. I know a fair bit about management as it happens - and Middleditch certainly did not fulfil his role in the way he handled the team selection for the WTC or the way he handled "dropped" team members. Putting aside the woeful results - do you really think that he could not have handled his team any better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 As the old saying goes , you can't make a silk purse from a sows ear ,But that's not an excuse for giving the needle and cotton to a chimp. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Sadly it is not a team manager England need but an actual team for him (or her) to be able to manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Shaker Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 And the team manager has to be able to manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) And the team manager has to be able to manage. Yes having the ability to know just when to put in the bloke for the double tac ride is essential. Most of us here I bet used to fill in the names in our programmes well before the announcer told us who was going to be used as a tac sub For England NOT having a team manager would probably be an advantage. Let's face it guys more people speak Babylonian than whatever the hell language Havvy speaks so imagine an argument between him and Chris Harris being commentated on by Sudden Sam. Edited November 13, 2013 by pandorum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boobs Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) National team management is a three-fold task. During meetings there is the visible job of being a motivator, passing on encouragement and personal experience to riders going out to race. Also at meetings there has to be a technical part of the same job, such as working out the racing order, playing jokers and advising riders on team tactics. The third, and biggest part of being responsible for a country's team efforts is understanding and rebuilding the infrastructure. Probably a two man job (were Ian Thomas and Eric Booccock the best 'team' in this respect?) but which tag-team would bring about the best results today? I certainly don't fancy Havelock in any of these roles and Rosco is just a serial glory-hunter. Phil Morris and Neil Vatcher seem to be making the right noises as regards backroom administration and I know of no other people who might take on a thankless task. Anyone thinking it isn't thankless just needs to look at the respect and gratitude afforded to England's football managers since Sir Alf Ramsay was hounded out of the job! Edited November 13, 2013 by Boobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 I guarantee things wont get any worse with the new manager whoever he is. Middlo's selections in 2013 were shocking at best.. But you ever say things will get better. Don't think you have much idea either.. Personally if Neil wants to pack it in then thats his perogative, if Rosco doesn't want it then give it to Garry May, with Neil Vatcher as assistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Sadly it is not a team manager England need but an actual team for him (or her) to be able to manage. It's precisely this attitude which will see the team go nowhere. Did you see the USA take such an attitude? They set goals, lofty goals, some even laughed at them due to the set of riders they had available. But lo and behold, they hit them and in some cases even exceeded. Why? Because they had a proper enthusiastic inspirational management team behind them who don't hide behind the "We haven't got enough riders" excuse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Sadly it is not a team manager England need but an actual team for him (or her) to be able to manage. Hurray, the penny has finally dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 DId you think we just had to turn up to beat Latvia? Just except it at the moment we are not good anough is Morris a messiah no.Myself i dont feel he has done anywhere near anough to get the job no one around to challenge him i suppose Rossiter would be my choice. In a word yes ..do you how pro riders the gb have to say the usa or Latvia ...it's one thing expecting us to win the World cup and another to beat a team with only 6 riders or 7 riders to choose from . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Hurray, the penny has finally dropped. What penny? Tai Woffiden Chris Harris Ben Barker Lewis Bridger Craig Cook Danny King Pick 4 of those to beat this team.. Greg Hancock, Ryan Fisher, Ricky Wells, Gino Manzares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 What penny? Tai Woffiden Chris Harris Ben Barker Lewis Bridger Craig Cook Danny King Pick 4 of those to beat this team.. Greg Hancock, Ryan Fisher, Ricky Wells, Gino Manzares. Not good enough, simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Not good enough, simple. What your saying the usa team is better ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) What your saying the usa team is better ? Work it out for yourself. That team is NOT good enough to compete on the World stage. Simple as that. Edited November 13, 2013 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) Work it out for yourself. That team is NOT good enough to compete on the World stage. Simple as that. We have worked it out, do explain to us how you feel the USA team is better. Here's a simple reality check for you. Woffinden is better than Hancock, although given Greg's experience etc we'll call that an equal match. Harris is better than Fisher. Barker is better than Wells And any GB rider is WAY above Manzares. So why did we lose to them? Quite simply, they were motivated by a passionate management team. Work it out for yourself. That team is NOT good enough to compete on the World stage. Simple as that. Tai Woffinden was supposedly not good enough to compete in the GP either. However he chose not to take that attitude. Edited November 13, 2013 by BWitcher 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Don't look at the GSA - look at the PMA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Work it out for yourself. That team is NOT good enough to compete on the World stage. Simple as that. I ask you a easy question are you saying that usa team is better ..yes or no ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Don't look at the GSA - look at the PMA. And whose job is it to instill the PMA into the riders? Oh yes, the team manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) We have worked it out, do explain to us how you feel the USA team is better. He's a simple reality check for you. Woffinden is better than Hancock, although given Greg's experience etc we'll call that an equal match. Harris is better than Fisher. Barker is better than Wells And any GB rider is WAY above Manzares. So why did we lose to them? Quite simply, they were motivated by a passionate management team. Tai Woffinden was supposedly not good enough to compete in the GP either. However he chose not to take that attitude. You've worked it out, Ha Ha, thats a larf. Tai Woffinden is the only creditable rider in that line up. The rest you might as well not bother with.. You cite one country that proves your clueless. Edited November 13, 2013 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 You've worked it out, Ha Ha, thats a larf. Tai Woffinden is the only creditable rider in that line up. The rest you might as well not bother with.. You cite one country that proves your clueless. And the USA? How many creditable riders do they have in their line-up? This is a country that BEAT us, so rather than make me 'clueless' it is actually very relevant to your claim that nobody could do better. Now it's a simple question and one which you are refusing to answer isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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