What Can Be Done For Young British Riders.

[Jonny the spud]

As has been pointed out on numerous threads a lot of money get thrown at foreign journeymen / flights etc. what can be done to channel some of this assistance to young riders with potential. We moan about a lack of Brits in the GP's etc but there seems no organised way of getting the money / support to the riders considered to be our future hopes.

 

As a father of a young rider I know only too well the amount of money needed to keep top quality equipment competetive and the cost of travelling all over the country / Europe etc. how can we let the potential sponsors know that there's a whole load of talented young British riders who, given the support can be just as good as the foreigners and even go on to copy the achievements of Tai ?

[foamfence]

As has been pointed out on numerous threads a lot of money get thrown at foreign journeymen / flights etc. what can be done to channel some of this assistance to young riders with potential. We moan about a lack of Brits in the GP's etc but there seems no organised way of getting the money / support to the riders considered to be our future hopes.

 

As a father of a young rider I know only too well the amount of money needed to keep top quality equipment competetive and the cost of travelling all over the country / Europe etc. how can we let the potential sponsors know that there's a whole load of talented young British riders who, given the support can be just as good as the foreigners and even go on to copy the achievements of Tai ?

I think riders should go to other countries on a like-for like basis. Look at the number of Danes, Swedes and Poles who ride here, there should be an equal number of Brits riding in their leagues. If they won't comply ban them! We really DON'T need them. Something like F2 would be a more affordable entry for beginners and it would be a good indicator as to who might make it at the 500cc level.

[iris123]

I think riders should go to other countries on a like-for like basis. Look at the number of Danes, Swedes and Poles who ride here, there should be an equal number of Brits riding in their leagues. If they won't comply ban them! We really DON'T need them. Something like F2 would be a more affordable entry for beginners and it would be a good indicator as to who might make it at the 500cc level.

Certainly no problem of going to Denmark.Depends on how good the rider is will obviously dictate the level he rides at and of course the money he will be paid.For most riders it probably won't be worth it financially.Brady Kurtz from Australia has just completed a season in Denmark.There are various youngsters learning the trade there,but they generally come from neighbouring countries where the league system isn't so good and the cost of travel not so great.A number from the likes of Norway and Germany are in various leagues in Denmark.They have also had one or two riders from further afield such as Argentina and for instance Cameron Heeps from Australia rode their previously.

[Lord Skid]

Quick answer is nothing can be done, it's always been the same, sink or swim is the best way to explain it, much easier to earn a living at Speedway than Moto X or Trials, depends on how good a rider you are, anyone with a PL cma above 6 with the right contacts and management makes a decent living.

[Boobs]

We can see from recent posts (under the Boocock Scholarship thread) it seems on the surface that, even when money is provided to give British riders an opportunity to travel to, and race in, Australia, all but one of them has decided to back out of the trip.

 

Sometimes, I feel British riders can be guilty of wanting to have too much handed to them. The riders from overseas who come here to fill up team positions have at least made the effort, and sacrifices, needed to do so.

[Jonny the spud]

I wasn't talking about Brits going abroad more of how to get the sponsorship that is around channeled to young British riders as opposed to foreigners

[Tsunami]

We can see from recent posts (under the Boocock Scholarship thread) it seems on the surface that, even when money is provided to give British riders an opportunity to travel to, and race in, Australia, all but one of them has decided to back out of the trip.

 

Sometimes, I feel British riders can be guilty of wanting to have too much handed to them. The riders from overseas who come here to fill up team positions have at least made the effort, and sacrifices, needed to do so.

 

That's not exactly the right story.

[Ned Kelly 41]

That's not exactly the right story.

OK mate, what is the right story?

[Tsunami]

OK mate, what is the right story?

 

Slightly different from that, but I think we should leave it to Gordon Pairman, and the folks that he is dealing with, to see if an amicable conclusion can be reached.

Dirty washing and the BSF shouldn't go together, right.

[Guest]

I think riders should go to other countries on a like-for like basis. Look at the number of Danes, Swedes and Poles who ride here, there should be an equal number of Brits riding in their leagues. If they won't comply ban them! We really DON'T need them. Something like F2 would be a more affordable entry for beginners and it would be a good indicator as to who might make it at the 500cc level.

Bans could be hard to effect under EU employment law.

It's also nice to see that F2 Speedway (being debated elsewhere on the BSF) is still considered in some places.

[foamfence]

Bans could be hard to effect under EU employment law.

It's also nice to see that F2 Speedway (being debated elsewhere on the BSF) is still considered in some places.

You're right, I just live in hope of getting out of it. I think you can make SOME rules though, don't the Germans have to have young German riders in their league teams? You could also make it so foreign riders can't be guests or be replaced by guests or RR if they are absent (that would make promoters think twice before hiring them). Despite some of the comments on here, I would like to see F2 get going, It's said that some of the major engine manufacturers are interested in it, maybe they or a sponsor could supply enough motors to get a few meetings going? It's worth a try.

[iris123]

I think you can make SOME rules though, don't the Germans have to have young German riders in their league teams?

Not 100% on the rules,but don't think that is now correct.A couple of years back that would have been right,but i think because of the poor standard or lack of young German riders the rule was changed so that every team had to have two U21 riders of any nationality.Could be english if they were good enough.Usually though Polish or Danish.I do though think that Sweden might have brought such a rule in,as i have seen a few moans from young Danes

[weatherwatcher]

It is hyard for young British riders some of the lads depende on their parents to help them financially and as machanics and transport. Some of them stuggle to upkeep one bike running and all for the love of the sport with very liitle in the way of recognition from any spnsers.

There are guys riding in The Midland Development League that that have to give up the sport due to those cost mentioned only to realise they love the sport and give it another go.

There are some good lads out there and with the right strings being pulled would stand a better chance of doing far better than they do now.

With money there to help them get at least two bikes and a decent level of equipment to make them competative as a speewdway rider.

Our country needs these guys, they should be someway to show them a life line to bigger things.

The sport or sponcers could do something do make this possible.

[Vince]

Only allow British riders to become club assets if they have actually been trained by or ridden for a club for at least two years.

 

Give British riders a really good advantage for team building averages. Bring first year British riders in on a two point average and keep them at reserve for their first year.

 

Give clubs an even bigger discount for team building if they have trained the rider, he comes from within 50 miles of the track, or they arrange accommodation, transport etc to allow him to ride at the other end of the country.

 

Give clubs an extra allowance for each year that they retain a British rider.

 

Do not ever allow any foreign rider an average below their original assessment.

[Triple.H.]

Doubling up/down should be for British passport holders only except in very special circumstances such as Charlie Gjedde was making a comback from serious injury.Reason under the UK only rule allowing CG to DU/DD is he has been a loyal servant to the sport over here.

[orion]

Give them Places in El where there not good enough ....give then charity rather than making them earn it ..the way things are going I can't seeing us having the World Champion

Edited November 7, 2013 by orion

[weatherwatcher]

Only allow British riders to become club assets if they have actually been trained by or ridden for a club for at least two years.

 

Give British riders a really good advantage for team building averages. Bring first year British riders in on a two point average and keep them at reserve for their first year.

 

Give clubs an even bigger discount for team building if they have trained the rider, he comes from within 50 miles of the track, or they arrange accommodation, transport etc to allow him to ride at the other end of the country.

 

Give clubs an extra allowance for each year that they retain a British rider.

 

Do not ever allow any foreign rider an average below their original assessment.

I like this can't any of the big clubs would do anything about it though. But yes they should be made to do it that way in a few years time we would have a team GB to be proud of. We are slowly running out of riders that are world class. Some of the team now are coming to the end of their careers and we need some new good blood in the team that an compeat with the rest of the world.

Will they ever be given the chance. I think what you have written should be made compulsory to the top British clubs the sooner the better.

[skthecat]

Again, an idea that contravines employment law in Europe....... Need similar, but within freedom of movement & employment law compliance...... doubt there's such a solution. .

[Vince]

You need to look into European employment law and especially the exceptions, much of what is accepted as general knowledge isn't based on fact. A few years ago I was in a position to look into how these things would work and all were possible within the law at the time. Unless things have changed dramatically in the past 5 years or so I believe most if not all are workable.

[Tsunami]

You need to look into European employment law and especially the exceptions, much of what is accepted as general knowledge isn't based on fact. A few years ago I was in a position to look into how these things would work and all were possible within the law at the time. Unless things have changed dramatically in the past 5 years or so I believe most if not all are workable.

Quite agree. Most other major countries seem to have some form of preference for their up and coming riders, but we being the UK seem to be the only only one that plays ball.

 

I am sure sport laws are different from employment laws anyway.

Edited November 8, 2013 by Tsunami