Banani Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) With Williamson it's not the first club it's happened too and not it's not gonna be the last. Edited January 16, 2014 by Banani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 With Williamson it's not the first club it's happened too and not it's not gonna be the last. It's a risk you take. The pendulum swings both ways best of luck to the lad. I'm sure Buxton will survive without him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I don't see the problem with Matt moving clubs, it happens with all riders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 He did pledge his loyalty to Buxton before verbally! He said he would stay due to them giving him his first opertunity last year. Â Didn't sign anything but it has angered some Buxton fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 If Matt wants to go where money is that is upto him, Buxton will always be the better club even if can't afford to splash out like some, Great that Liam Carr will be back ! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Good signing in Liam some people are just not loyal simple. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil H Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Haha no reason Williamson should stay at Buxton is there. Perhaps he wants a changeyour promotors playing Fantasy League Speedway again maybe one day you will bring on one of your own Great to see Liam is back at Buxton. If Matt wants to ride elsewhere, that's up to him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Would Adam Allott come back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Well at last we have names on the declaration page,great to see Liam is back.Matt Williamson is no great loss we can replace him with another three pointer.But i will like to see where our new number one will come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) I would think if you could get Mikey Neale back it would be like for like, him and Matt. I did mention a few names Byron, Rob, and how about a phone call to James Birkenshaw, he wouldnt make a bad No1. Edited January 16, 2014 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Would Adam Allott come back ? He's riding and scoring well in the Amateur Meetings at Scunthorpe, so MAYBE a comeback is in his mind. Would be a good signing if he did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbogge Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 He's riding and scoring well in the Amateur Meetings at Scunthorpe, so MAYBE a comeback is in his mind. Would be a good signing if he did. I would like to think Adam might return to ride for Buxton but I doubt it He is now a married man with a young family and his regular work comitments as an engineer may not allow this (by this I mean midweek away meetings ) company bosses are not always sympathetic to missing work .But we may live in hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy2706 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) It isn't fair to bad mouth a rider for doing what is best for his career advancement, accusations about a lack of loyalty might be ok during the season, but not in the close season. After all, most promoters have no compunction whatsoever in dropping riders who are going through a sticky patch, loyalty works both ways in theory! I hope Matt does really well and goes from strength to strength and in truth that goes for every British rider in every league. Â It will be smashing to see Liam tearing around Buxton this year too, a real treat to watch he is, he has no respect for reputation, every opponent is there to be beaten. It is worth the admission simply to watch Liam Carr in action, add other, ambitious riders trying hard and it is money well spent to visit Buxton Speedway. I haven't always held that opinion, but I was wrong, the only other place I like to spend sunday afternoons is Mildenhall, another value for money venue. Edited January 17, 2014 by oldsparky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Neale would make a really good signing looks a great talent. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatlad Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I have stayed out of this discussion for a while , quite deliberately. But as Matt's sponsor for over 15 years there comes a time when you think you should have your say. But then you realise you need to be circumspect . So all I am going to say is , don't let a good story released by others be compromised by fact. Â Matt genuinely enjoyed his time at Buxton, but when presented with a genuine, formalised,cogent offer, he had to consider it carefully. A great deal of time and heart searching went into his decision. And at the end of it I would say he has made it based on his desire to make speedway his career, even at the risk of offending those who gave him a chance. Â Nobody should be castigated for a measured judgement, even if it leaves some of you disappointed. Â My personal opinion , with its limited shaping due to the politics of the sport is, that if an opportunity presents itself to better yourself, make you a better rider, make yourself a living and provide for those you care about then take it with both hands and run with it. Â Too many careers have been curtailed by " what ifs " 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 No one begrudges anyone for wanting to better themselves and move on in life but a bit of honesty goes a long way. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I have stayed out of this discussion for a while , quite deliberately. But as Matt's sponsor for over 15 years there comes a time when you think you should have your say. But then you realise you need to be circumspect . So all I am going to say is , don't let a good story released by others be compromised by fact. Â Matt genuinely enjoyed his time at Buxton, but when presented with a genuine, formalised,cogent offer, he had to consider it carefully. A great deal of time and heart searching went into his decision. And at the end of it I would say he has made it based on his desire to make speedway his career, even at the risk of offending those who gave him a chance. Â Nobody should be castigated for a measured judgement, even if it leaves some of you disappointed. Â My personal opinion , with its limited shaping due to the politics of the sport is, that if an opportunity presents itself to better yourself, make you a better rider, make yourself a living and provide for those you care about then take it with both hands and run with it. Â Too many careers have been curtailed by " what ifs " Â Very difficult to argue with that, but Jayne is still absolutely correct. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I have stayed out of this discussion for a while , quite deliberately. But as Matt's sponsor for over 15 years there comes a time when you think you should have your say. But then you realise you need to be circumspect . So all I am going to say is , don't let a good story released by others be compromised by fact. Â Matt genuinely enjoyed his time at Buxton, but when presented with a genuine, formalised,cogent offer, he had to consider it carefully. A great deal of time and heart searching went into his decision. And at the end of it I would say he has made it based on his desire to make speedway his career, even at the risk of offending those who gave him a chance. Â Nobody should be castigated for a measured judgement, even if it leaves some of you disappointed. Â My personal opinion , with its limited shaping due to the politics of the sport is, that if an opportunity presents itself to better yourself, make you a better rider, make yourself a living and provide for those you care about then take it with both hands and run with it. Â Too many careers have been curtailed by " what ifs " Â I'll be honest, a lot of that sounds like codswollop. Â Buxton have ran for a long time, and have hardly held back the riders who have progressed from there (Names such as Nick Morris, Jason Garrity, Charles and James Wright, Rob Branford, Craig Cook have all gone on from Buxton and done well!) Â Cradely can't offer extended training time, due to non ownership of a track, so that goes out of the window straight away. Â I have no doubt that Matt enjoyed his time at Buxton, and by all accounts said that he wanted to be back. I get the feeling he was tempted by a better offer money wise, and if that is the case, just come out and say that. Come out and say that Cradely offered a lot more per point and be done with it, because the talk of better opportunities, and formal offers just doesn't sit right with me. Promoters show very little loyalty to riders (Generally) and riders have to go out and get the best deal for themselves. At least have the decency to admit that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatlad Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I thought when I got divorced somebody telling me my knowledge of the facts and my statements were erroneous would stop . Appears I was wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I thought when I got divorced somebody telling me my knowledge of the facts and my statements were erroneous would stop . Appears I was wrong  The ONLY fact you gave was that, when presented with a formal offer, Matt had to consider it carefully. No debating that, because any offer should always be thoroughly considered. You then went on to speculate what Matt thought, and add your own personal opinion about an offer allowing you to better yourself. My point is that I'm not sure how Cradely can offer the facility for a rider to improve themselves because they can't offer regular track time. If this was all about being a better rider, Matt would have joined Scunthorpe in both leagues, not just the PL. Hence, I believe that it has come down to money. There can be no doubt that this is an expensive sport, and that money plays a massive part in a persons decision, but if that is the case I would have a lot more respect for Matt (And anyone around him) if they just came out and said "This sport is expensive, I have to sort out PL level equipment as well as bikes for the NL, and I feel I have a better chance at doing that on the offer that Dudley made me" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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