Do Other Sports Such As Football/rugby Have The Equivalent Of A "promoter" If So, Who, If Not, Why Not?

[skthecat]

Just wondering about this, or is the Speedway Promoter Another Position/Different Name In other sports........ Everyone seems to blame them, what are there other sport counterparts......??

[The White Knight]

Just wondering about this, or is the Speedway Promoter Another Position/Different Name In other sports........ Everyone seems to blame them, what are there other sport counterparts......??

 

 

Not sure what you are asking here NTO.

 

In Football - Club Owners I guess - if I have read your question correctly.

[skthecat]

I was just trying to ascertain if this particular role, is in place in other sports, and if so, are they known under a different name.. but do similar work?

 

The promoters seem to get a lot of stick on here, is that common in all sports, or just ours, is there no equivalent in other sports, or do they have a different name, but still get the stick..

[MattK]

I would have said the equivalent in football is the Chairman, who is often the owner, but not always.

 

Because of speedway's amateur nature, roles such as owner/promoter/team manager are often doubled-up.

[foamfence]

No they don't, the reason is that Speedway isn't a sport, it was conceived as a fairground attraction in Australia. People like Johnnie Hoskins and many of those who emulated him were just show promoters who retitled themselves as Speedway promoters.

 

That might ruffle a few feathers but it's probably one of the main reasons why it isn't taken seriously by the majority of the public.

[The White Knight]

I was just trying to ascertain if this particular role, is in place in other sports, and if so, are they known under a different name.. but do similar work?

 

The promoters seem to get a lot of stick on here, is that common in all sports, or just ours, is there no equivalent in other sports, or do they have a different name, but still get the stick..

 

Football Owners/Chairmen most definitely DO get stick from the Supporters. You need to look no further than the Club up the road from me in Sunderland to see that.

 

Mike Ashley (Owner) is vilified in Newcastle.............................

[MattK]

 

Football Owners/Chairmen most definitely DO get stick from the Supporters. You need to look no further than the Club up the road from me in Sunderland to see that.

 

Mike Ashley (Owner) is vilified in Newcastle.............................

 

Precisely. And the FA and other sport governing bodies are often accused of corruption despite being independent of the clubs.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Just wondering about this, or is the Speedway Promoter Another Position/Different Name In other sports........ Everyone seems to blame them, what are there other sport counterparts......??

Most sports evolved for social reasons and as a result adopted a club-based structure. It only later became entertainment when the clubs realised they could make money by charging spectators to watch.

 

Speedway started as entertainment from the beginning, and was initially promoted in the way that other shows were. That approach has somewhat endured in Britain, although speedway has a club-based structure in Denmark and Sweden. Not really sure how you'd describe Poland, but is probably more club rather than promotion based, although its club owners effectively do behave like promoters.

 

There's no real equivalent to a promoter in football, rugby and cricket - a promoter is a cross-between a chairman and general manager.

[mickthemuppet]

No they don't, the reason is that Speedway isn't a sport, it was conceived as a fairground attraction in Australia. People like Johnnie Hoskins and many of those who emulated him were just show promoters who retitled themselves as Speedway promoters.

 

That might ruffle a few feathers but it's probably one of the main reasons why it isn't taken seriously by the majority of the public.

What a load of rubbish. The sport of Speedway was going long before Johnny Hoskins promoted it in Australia. The word Speedway came from the tracks in America around about 1890 much before Johnny Hoskins. Then if you go back to the 1940/50's Speedway was certainly a big sport in this country with gates at places like Wembley having over 50,000 attendances. Then in those days Speedway riders were earning most likely 10 times as much of the top footballers of the day

[Humphrey Appleby]

The sport of Speedway was going long before Johnny Hoskins promoted it in Australia.

I don't think anyone disputes that, but I think the modern sport evolved out of promoted-type events as opposed to club organised meetings. In other words, they were deliberately staged to make money for the organiser, as opposed to realising that money could be made from a recreational pursuit.

 

Then if you go back to the 1940/50's Speedway was certainly a big sport in this country with gates at places like Wembley having over 50,000 attendances. Then in those days Speedway riders were earning most likely 10 times as much of the top footballers of the day

Indeed, but despite the success of speedway at times, it's always had a fragile existence with tracks and teams coming and going. Pretty much the same football clubs exist now as at the turn of the 20th century, but how many speedway teams have had a continuous existence?

[foamfence]

What a load of rubbish. The sport of Speedway was going long before Johnny Hoskins promoted it in Australia. The word Speedway came from the tracks in America around about 1890 much before Johnny Hoskins. Then if you go back to the 1940/50's Speedway was certainly a big sport in this country with gates at places like Wembley having over 50,000 attendances. Then in those days Speedway riders were earning most likely 10 times as much of the top footballers of the day

Actually there were no production motorcycles or IC engines (other than steam)for motorcycles until after that date in America.

While the whole thing might be debatable it seems a bit strong to describe it as a load of rubbish. Your comments regarding the 1940/50s don't seem to have any relevance to my post. I remember the 50s and tracks coming and going, especially in the late 50s when we were down to just a handful, before the formation and eventual acceptance of the Provincial league.

I still watch Speedway (I did have more involvement years ago)but I don't take it seriously as I've seen too much manipulation over the years. Modern racing had GPs, they have four permanent wildcards, that is so the main four countries can always have representation and anyone considered to put bums on seats can also be included (Pedersen in some recent years and next year there isn't a Swede anywhere near worthy of being in but, Hey Prest! 2). So the GPs are a fiddle to start with, they should be qualifiers or those who have finished at a certain level in the season before. But it's a business, as is league racing, where ridiculous things like tactical rides and points limits are used to try and make the uncompetitive appear to be competitive. I know some other sports could be looked on in a similar light but that is no excuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnie_Hoskins

[iris123]

Most sports evolved for social reasons and as a result adopted a club-based structure. It only later became entertainment when the clubs realised they could make money by charging spectators to watch.

 

Speedway started as entertainment from the beginning, and was initially promoted in the way that other shows were. That approach has somewhat endured in Britain, although speedway has a club-based structure in Denmark and Sweden. Not really sure how you'd describe Poland, but is probably more club rather than promotion based, although its club owners effectively do behave like promoters.

 

There's no real equivalent to a promoter in football, rugby and cricket - a promoter is a cross-between a chairman and general manager.

The obvious difference with the sports being mentioned is that football,rugby etc all started as team/club sports whereas speedway was a solo sport and the team aspect came afterwards.So the basics were all set in place before it became a team sport and has stayed pretty much the same in the UK ever since

[moxey63]

Speedway is special but not a professional sport. It has an image and a feel to it, an here-today, gone tomorrow product in which so-called promoters enter it with bright ideas but often are no more than fools with money. When a speedway office is a cabin used at most scrap yards as their office, perhaps that typifies how far the sport has progressed in its near 100 years, when most stadiums are owned by dog people, and speedway is at the mercy of the next sell off for new homes to be built on the land.