moxey63 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 I really hope speedway and Sky can maintain the relationship, but would it really be a major loss if speedway was dropped? Back in the 70s, for example, a 10 minute piece on World of Sport heralded household names into living rooms throughout the country. How many names have been promoted into minds on non-speedway fans by all the hours Sky have given us the last decade and half? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzCagney Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 (edited) But we aren't in the 1970s any more, many fans can't afford speedway every week. Give me better quality once a fortnight than wobblers every week.Well, all i'm suggesting is we will have to lose the very top boys and that won't leave us with 'wobblers'. Lets face it the top boys are all leaving anyway so why not embrace it and leave them to Poland and the GP circuit. Once a fortnight sounds all well and good but the reality, with rain-off's and other commitments is we will end up with 4 week breaks and a mad panic to cram meetings in the last few weeks. And people will have lost the habit by then and, even if they haven't, won't be able to afford 6 meetings in a month. This is very much the experience at Swindon. And Tonyd is so right- shake up all these idiotic rules! 2 points for a win. 1 for a draw. And if i'm honest i'd love to see a bit of rolling allowed at the starts too. Nothing better to get the fans going! Edited November 4, 2013 by BuzzCagney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 (edited) I agree that the rain off issue needs sorting. Meetings should be restaged a lot sooner, or promotions should work harder to get matches on, better use of track covers etc Edited November 4, 2013 by jimmy jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 (edited) As has been suggested, start the season slightly later (mind you we have had really warm March's recently) with maybe a KO cup with PL involvement to hopefully bring in a 'Giant Killer' element. Ran at the start of the season might well bring greater interest as we will all have been starved of speedway for 5 months!! Edited November 4, 2013 by TesarRacing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Speedway without TV is not viable to sponsors really be it clubs or riders. The money spent cannot be justified to the tax man unless it is very small. We shall have to look at this should no TV deal happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Speedway without TV is not viable to sponsors really be it clubs or riders. The money spent cannot be justified to the tax man unless it is very small. We shall have to look at this should no TV deal happen. That's why as you know its imperitive, Sky thrash out a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Speedway without TV is not viable to sponsors really be it clubs or riders. The money spent cannot be justified to the tax man unless it is very small. We shall have to look at this should no TV deal happen. That's dependant on the business turnover, and a very grey area. The tax man has no say in a companies advertising budget unless it is proven to be fraudulent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 That's dependant on the business turnover, and a very grey area. The tax man has no say in a companies advertising budget unless it is proven to be fraudulent... Well you are wrong. They are very clever these days and you cannot spend 100k on a rider as your name is on his leg and why would a sponsor anyway. When we sponsord cardiff at a 100k this was looked at but because of the cost to advertise on tv it was ok. Also why would you spend alot without tv ? No tv will be final nail in elite speedway in the uk i believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Well you are wrong. They are very clever these days and you cannot spend 100k on a rider as your name is on his leg and why would a sponsor anyway. When we sponsord cardiff at a 100k this was looked at but because of the cost to advertise on tv it was ok. Also why would you spend alot without tv ? No tv will be final nail in elite speedway in the uk i believe. That's just common sense though, as advertising must be reasonable and affordable. Your Cardiff sponsorship was obviously an example of this, and I applaud your involvement in the sport.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 That's dependant on the business turnover, and a very grey area. The tax man has no say in a companies advertising budget unless it is proven to be fraudulent. Blue Panther, I wouildn't try and compete with the Know, because he does whats on the Tin.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Blue Panther, I wouildn't try and compete with the Know, because he does whats on the Tin.. Not competing at all Starman. I have sponsored two top English rider in the past through a business, so I am aware of guidelines. I personally never had any problems from HMRC, only help and assistance.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Not competing at all Starman. I have sponsored two top English rider in the past through a business, so I am aware of guidelines. I personally never had any problems from HMRC, only help and assistance.. Very pleased to hear that. Now I do realise that sponsors need to put there business in lights, but there are several younger British riders who could improve considerably with the right backing and better equipment, like The Know does. And Kyle Newman is one of them.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Not forgetting Lewis Kerr, Richie Worrall, Robert Lambert, Lewis Rose etc etc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Very pleased to hear that. Now I do realise that sponsors need to put there business in lights, but there are several younger British riders who could improve considerably with the right backing and better equipment, like The Know does. And Kyle Newman is one of them.....which is not really dependant on TV coverage of the sport, is it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Let's get one thing straight and build on this  Right now the Elite League has no TV rights and no league sponsorship.  Team average is set to be reduced and clubs having to release their number 1's.  We can certainly forget about reduced admission costs. They will still continue to rise simply because as seen with the Premier League some of those clubs are only a £1 or 2 less than the EL. No "superstars" in that league.  With the admission costs remaining the same or rising and lower team averages, how will the EL become a better product????  It's quite simple for me. Strength in depth. We should look at structuring the teams with say, No1's can only have an average 2 points higher than the 5th rider in the team and the reserves minimum average increased to 4.00  I believe this alone will make meeting far more exciting rather than just the one or two races peer meeting we get today because of the gulf between the No1's and bottom end of the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 It will be interesting to see when they start negotiations with SKY as the AGM is less than two weeks away and they can't go with a limit as it is without that money in place. So it looks like it will be a much lower limit and more teams. Â Hopefully just Leicester and do 20 home and 20 away meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantherman Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Even if Sky do continue, I'm sure it will be at a much reduced amount than they have paid previously. So it seems pretty obvious there won't be enough money available to negotiate with No1 riders and their demands, so a weakened league is surely the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 There is one thing certain, after the rules are finalised, this forum will be the busiest it has ever been, and the promoters will be hard at work trying to find loopholes in the new rules, in theory the setup sounds really good, only downside will be the lack of variety in the visiting Teams, the alternative is Speedway is finished as we know it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Not competing at all Starman. I have sponsored two top English rider in the past through a business, so I am aware of guidelines. I personally never had any problems from HMRC, only help and assistance.. Â So do I personally to a English rider last season and will be again this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Let's get one thing straight and build on this  Right now the Elite League has no TV rights and no league sponsorship. WRONG, the EL contract runs out on December 31st. So technically we are still covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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