Fromafar Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 I do find it worrying Micky Dyer cant afford to race British Speedway, from a financial point of view. Just where is the money going? Seem to be losing a lot more riders these days.. while speedway is aProfessional sport it does not owe anybody a living .He will just have together himself areal job and work 40 hours a week like everybody else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 while speedway is aProfessional sport it does not owe anybody a living .He will just have together himself areal job and work 40 hours a week like everybody else. Dyer is not a UK National, he would need a work visa on top of the visa he has to ride speedway (sport related visa). Probably unlikely it would be granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) Â Dyer is not a UK National, he would need a work visa on top of the visa he has to ride speedway (sport related visa). Probably unlikely it would be granted. I know that .he should just stay at home and work.Its a sport if he is losing money he doesn't have to do it.These Aussies and Foreigners get a lot of help from people like yourself and fans when riding in Britian and still moan about being unable to make it pay.Im afraid my answer will always be GIVE UP THEN nobody owes them a living .Harsh but true IMO Edited October 19, 2013 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 how about altering the way we run speedway completely, change teams to 6 man teams (solves rider shortage a little) and the club actually employ the riders they sign as in give them a guarenteed weekly wage like we all get and then performance related bonuses. Â Then clubs might be a bit more careful on who they sign and gives riders a bit more job security and satisfaction knowing they will pick up at least some guarenteed money each week between march and october. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 I do find it worrying Micky Dyer cant afford to race British Speedway, from a financial point of view. Just where is the money going? Seem to be losing a lot more riders these days.. I think you'll find that the REAL reason for him pulling out of both Elite and Premier play-offs wasn't financial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 how about altering the way we run speedway completely, change teams to 6 man teams (solves rider shortage a little) and the club actually employ the riders they sign as in give them a guarenteed weekly wage like we all get and then performance related bonuses. Â Then clubs might be a bit more careful on who they sign and gives riders a bit more job security and satisfaction knowing they will pick up at least some guarenteed money each week between march and october. What happens if a team suffer a couple of postponements in consecutive weeks? How are they supposed to pay the riders their 'guaranteed' wages, with no income over those weeks? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 I know that .he should just stay at home and work.Its a sport if he is losing money he doesn't have to do it.These Aussies and Foreigners get a lot of help from people like yourself and fans when riding in Britian and still moan about being unable to make it pay.Im afraid my answer will always be GIVE UP THEN nobody owes them a living .Harsh but true IMO Next season I am only helping the local lads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) What happens if a team suffer a couple of postponements in consecutive weeks? How are they supposed to pay the riders their 'guaranteed' wages, with no income over those weeks? Just a thought. Â All of it should be factored into the seasons budget like every other sport, how about the riders being skint from having no meetings in consecutive weeks, this way gives riders peace of mind at least and that is important with increasing costs in life not just speedway. Edited October 19, 2013 by AndyK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 I believe that any rider requiring a visa has to be provided with accomodation and subsistence funds (£150pwk?) to meet the visa criteria so a good number already have some 'guarantees' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 I don't think it helped himself any by staying in Edinburgh and having to drive down to Redcar and Poole every week pus away matches as well! Â That probably contributed towards all the costs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbend Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 I believe that doubling up should be allowed but the restrictions need to be the same for elite/premier as premier/national. If a rider with an average above 4 in the premier can't double down to the national then why can a rider with an average above 4 in the elite double down in the premier? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Simple answer to this thread, yes i do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooksy Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Simple answer to this thread, yes i do. Â Yes you do what? I'm not sure supporting Poole and Somerset really counts as 'doubling-up'? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 There is way to much doubling up. Dont know the best way to stop it but riders like Doyle , Barker, Cook, Gracjonek, Morris, Tungate, Auty, Dyer for example are all premier heat leaders who need to be in one or the other. Â It should be there for riders like Kerr and Newman to go in to the elite league as a reserve to try and improve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 I don't attend Elite League Meetings - but it does seem to me that there is far too much Doubling Up. I'm not sure how you solve the problem though - as has been pointed out there are not enough Riders around to furnish the Elite League. Â My only solution would be to merge both Leagues and if the likes of Tai Woofinden, Chris Harris et al didn't like it, personally, I would regretfully say - Thank You and goodbye. :sad: Â The continuation of the Sport is more important than individuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondsRock Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 there are not enough Riders around to furnish the Elite League  My only solution would be to merge both Leagues   How can merging both league be the solution, when there's not enough riders to go around when the leagues are separate?  If you merge both leagues, you remove doubling up - so where are the extra riders going to come from, to populate this "one big league"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 How can merging both league be the solution, when there's not enough riders to go around when the leagues are separate? Â If you merge both leagues, you remove doubling up - so where are the extra riders going to come from, to populate this "one big league"? Â From the National League. We will have to watch Riders not as skilled as we are used to - but - hopefully in the long run it will be to the benefit of BRITISH Speedway. You have to realise that Speedway is not a RICH Sport - in fact it is in very poor shape Finacially - we really cannot afford to go on paying for all of these, sometimes good, sometimes bad foreign Elite League/Premier League Riders from the Continent. Â If Speedway in this Country is to survive it needs a very radical rethink on how it is run and financed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Disgrace in 2009 when Barker wasn't allowed to double up in my opinion. As much as Dave Tattum came across as a moron. I actually agreed with him 100%. Yes rules are rules and Ben was 0.4 over but even still...  Farcial in my opinion  Admittedly Dyer's scores slackened off but we've heard the odd rumour odd about Dyer then again scoring paid 16-17 points and returning doesn't sound right. Poor with his money or just "another" speedway myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondsRock Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 From the National League. We will have to watch Riders not as skilled as we are used to - but - hopefully in the long run it will be to the benefit of BRITISH Speedway. You have to realise that Speedway is not a RICH Sport - in fact it is in very poor shape Finacially - we really cannot afford to go on paying for all of these, sometimes good, sometimes bad foreign Elite League/Premier League Riders from the Continent. Â If Speedway in this Country is to survive it needs a very radical rethink on how it is run and financed. Â Er... we do not have to watch anything of the sort! Personally, I think that merging leagues is bad idea. Woffinden vs a NL Wobbler is not exactly entertaining for the crowd. Â Â If they're going to merge the EL and PL, then I'd rather reduce the riders per team to 5/6. Should sort out the lack of available riders, and maybe reduce the amount of guests and r/r. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Er... we do not have to watch anything of the sort! Personally, I think that merging leagues is bad idea. Woffinden vs a NL Wobbler is not exactly entertaining for the crowd. Â Â If they're going to merge the EL and PL, then I'd rather reduce the riders per team to 5/6. Should sort out the lack of available riders, and maybe reduce the amount of guests and r/r. Â Impractical - do you think Harris, Woffinden etc. would ride for the Pay Scales that would need to be introduced in order to put the Sport in this Country on a sound Financial footing. No they would not, therefore you would not have and Woffinden riding against National League Riders. British Speedway at present CANNOT AFFORD the luxury of these Riders in their Teams - not unless they take a significant Pay Cut. Â You seem to be arguing from the standpoint that things can go on as they are - put simply, if Speedway does not reduce it's Costs/Expenses it will surely go to the wall. Â Personally, I would rather watch Teams with two National League Riders at Reserve than for that to happen. The plus is that in a very few years British Speedway will benefit from the fact that these youngsters have now become experienced Rider. Once you start introducing National League Riders on a regular basis, those Riders must improve - or they are simply not good enough and will be replaced by others.. Â I commented at least two years ago on this Forum, that Speedway would suffer because of the Recession - well, we are in it now. Speedway Promoters have to wake up and smell the coffee. Â If I had the answers - I would be a Promoter. I am not. Answers by those at the Top need to be found though - VERY SOON!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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