Humphrey Appleby Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Was actually told by a member of the MC in Torun that I was their "public enemy number one." I was flattered. Must have very thin skins if occasional mild criticism in the Star is upsetting them. I'd hate to think what would happen if the tabloids ever got interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 NOT sure many will agree that I am a defender of the BSPA. Was actually told by a member of the MC in Torun that I was their "public enemy number one." I was flattered. And you obviously didn't read what I wrote about the BV v Poole fiasco. I stated repeatedly that I wasn't there and didn't see it on TV so had no opinion. I did offer an view from an ex-rider who was there but again pointed out that I was in no position to agree or disagree. There is no doubt that it was a another sorry episode for British speedway but no one has actually produced any firm evidence that there was, as some suggest, a conspiracy. Sure, I jump to the defence of Nigel, for two reasons. One, he is a mate and that's what mates do. And, second, I honestly believe and and KT do a first rate job and exactly what their paymasters want. Surely, Nigel or Kelvin could get you a DVD copy. At 'Mates-Rates'. The most controversial night of Speedway in Britain this year. And you seem to want to not have an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 IT'S probably historic going right back to the days of Fearman, Mawdsley, Dunton and Bamforth, who actually tried to have Speedway Star banned from all tracks. I was a lot more vocal when editor of Speedway Star but that's not my role now. Do know that some members of the BSPA get narked about comments on the bsf and you are certainly right that some have very thin skins. Has always (and still does) amused me when one promoter complains to SS about comments made by another promoter instead of actually confronting him rather than us. I DON'T seem to be explaining myself very well ... an opinion as to the actual sequence of events on the night, who said what to whom, etc, as I didn't see it. I have just said that I thought it was a fiasco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 One thing I noticed about last night were the starts... they were so messy, in other matches it would have been all four back. Stuart Robson has been punished numerous times for having slower reflexes. Should be tape touching and your out... anything else is great anticipation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 But a circus thats here to stay for the forseeible future. And less and less fans enter the big top... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 IT'S probably historic going right back to the days of Fearman, Mawdsley, Dunton and Bamforth, who actually tried to have Speedway Star banned from all tracks. I was a lot more vocal when editor of Speedway Star but that's not my role now. Do know that some members of the BSPA get narked about comments on the bsf and you are certainly right that some have very thin skins. Has always (and still does) amused me when one promoter complains to SS about comments made by another promoter instead of actually confronting him rather than us. I DON'T seem to be explaining myself very well ... an opinion as to the actual sequence of events on the night, who said what to whom, etc, as I didn't see it. I have just said that I thought it was a fiasco. Given that it was probably the most controversial meeting ever broadcast by Sky, I would have thought you would have obtained a copy from somewhere. You would then be able to draw your own conclusions vis-a-vis a 'conspiracy' - the state of the track was only one of many issues that evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 IT'S probably historic going right back to the days of Fearman, Mawdsley, Dunton and Bamforth, who actually tried to have Speedway Star banned from all tracks. I was a lot more vocal when editor of Speedway Star but that's not my role now. Do know that some members of the BSPA get narked about comments on the bsf and you are certainly right that some have very thin skins. Has always (and still does) amused me when one promoter complains to SS about comments made by another promoter instead of actually confronting him rather than us. I DON'T seem to be explaining myself very well ... an opinion as to the actual sequence of events on the night, who said what to whom, etc, as I didn't see it. I have just said that I thought it was a fiasco. I think most of the BSPA get narked about the BSF and I am well aware that a few post on here as well, although not under their real names. The BSPA have a real problem with negativity, a good recent example is the recent problem with Birmingham web site and the steps they took over the press release. The BV v Poole match was a fiasco but let's be fair that's not the only mistake this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Although Wolves have twice been champions after finishing second in the league I have never been a fan of the play offs. The team that finishes top of the league should be declared champions otherwise there is no point to the league - Mr Pearson pointed out a few times last night that the fact that Brummies finished top of the league counted for nothing which decries the season long league. By all means have a play off competition if one is wanted but this should be additional to the league toppers being declared champions. Wolfie Which would render the playoffs pointless. I am sure some people actually think Play-Offs are good for speedway. Crowds do look quite impressive for the Play-Offs. But are these hiding the real problem, that figures for the actual league programme suffer because they aren't in fact worth that much - or perhaps not as important as they once were - in that a top four is all you need and, as Birmingham unfortunately discovered, who tops the table is irrelevant You can buy a chick drinks all night; don't mean she will leave on your arm once closing time chimes. The best looking guy will always appear. Do they suffer because of the playoffs? Do Sweden and Poland struggle for crowds for league meetings? They operate play-offs too.... The real reasons why speedway struggles are documented on other threads, the play-offs would barely have an impact. No because as others have said sports commentators dont tend to scream and shoo there load when nothing is happening Really? So a rider racing around a track with no brakes is 'nothing happening'. Ahh ok. You made up the comments to try and make your point, just admit it and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 I think most of the BSPA get narked about the BSF and I am well aware that a few post on here as well, although not under their real names. The BSPA have a real problem with negativity, a good recent example is the recent problem with Birmingham web site and the steps they took over the press release. The BV v Poole match was a fiasco but let's be fair that's not the only mistake this year. It is the ONLY mistake that COST a Team a place in the dreaded 'Play Offs'. Another example of absolutely NO consistency. :sad: Any other Meeting would have been 'Rained Off' - why not this one? I could make a half decent guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Surely that defeats the object of the plays offs ? Why's that? It sure works for football and both rugby codes. It's the one-off final the fans want to see - the big day out for many thousands of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Why's that? It sure works for football and both rugby codes. It's the one-off final the fans want to see - the big day out for many thousands of them. Speedway fans as a rule only watch home fans ..a neutral venue would get a crowd of 500 at most . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Speedway fans as a rule only watch home fans ..a neutral venue would get a crowd of 500 at most . Mostly, yes. Although, if you give them a sufficiently good product they will turn out in their thousands to watch it, even at a neutral venue. But the product has to be good enough and worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Speedway fans as a rule only watch home fans ..a neutral venue would get a crowd of 500 at most . Not true . A Wembley World final made no difference if there was a Wembley rider in it or not.. It was nearly always a full house. Four Team finals at Peterborough always had more away supporters than home. I seem to remember the Inter Nations Championships in 1972 that matches like Australia v Sweden at Hackney and Denmark/Norway v New Zealand at Wolverhampton drew excellent audiences. Then again in the Daily Mirror International Tournament in 1973 Russia v Poland at Halifax and Sweden v New Zealand at Swindon drew excellent crowds. And so did the final at Wembley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Not true . A Wembley World final made no difference if there was a Wembley rider in it or not.. It was nearly always a full house. Four Team finals at Peterborough always had more away supporters than home. I seem to remember the Inter Nations Championships in 1972 that matches like Australia v Sweden at Hackney and Denmark/Norway v New Zealand at Wolverhampton drew excellent audiences. Then again in the Daily Mirror International Tournament in 1973 Russia v Poland at Halifax and Sweden v New Zealand at Swindon drew excellent crowds. And so did the final at Wembley. mick, this is 2013 bud. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 mick, this is 2013 bud. Cardiff. If you make it worth it, they will come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Cardiff. If you make it worth it, they will come. not a chance, Cardiff is the creme de la creme of the sport....very pricey but a one off.... Playoffs are 1 or 2 of the top stars, a few journeymen and a few average others.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 not a chance, Cardiff is the creme de la creme of the sport....very pricey but a one off.... Playoffs are 1 or 2 of the top stars, a few journeymen and a few average others.... True, but a one-off final should be something similar to a club's fans, shouldn't it? It certainly is for football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 True, but a one-off final should be something similar to a club's fans, shouldn't it? It certainly is for football. yeah but football you can guarantee bums on seats , they wouldn't do it because there ain't enough money in it for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) Not true . A Wembley World final made no difference if there was a Wembley rider in it or not.. It was nearly always a full house. Four Team finals at Peterborough always had more away supporters than home. I seem to remember the Inter Nations Championships in 1972 that matches like Australia v Sweden at Hackney and Denmark/Norway v New Zealand at Wolverhampton drew excellent audiences. Then again in the Daily Mirror International Tournament in 1973 Russia v Poland at Halifax and Sweden v New Zealand at Swindon drew excellent crowds. And so did the final at Wembley. Bloody hell, grandad, I thought I lived in the past. Great times they were, but we'll never have that study in speedway again, afraid to say. It is something we like to relive - the times when stadia were sold out for Tests, massive crowds for the average run-off-the-mill league dash-off. It is great to look back. Well, sometimes it is.... From the same period, I have here a batch of old family photographs. Now, look at young moxey63 right there... a fringe (least I had one back then) that has about as much banking as both Halifax and Exeter combined, a five-star jumper with elastic ribbing that I remember scorching in front of the fire, and, well, just look at those shoes.... People called them crape - I thought they were ok. Edited October 17, 2013 by moxey63 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Which would render the playoffs pointless. And the play offs don't render the league pointless at all do they? :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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