foamfence Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Listening to Pearson on Sky tonight trying to defend the playoff in our Elite League made me wonder if he is a BSPA mouthpiece, rather than impartial journalist/commentator? I mean, how desperate is he for using the stupid comparison of the play-offs in the Championship to somehow justify using it in speedway. The Championship is used for 3-6th for promotion, not to decide who are league champions. Equally, the Premiership in football does not use play-offs to decide the league champions either. The play-offs to decide the league champions is pathetic, not to mention such weak arguments to defend it from the likes of Pearson. Would you be saying that if Poole hadn't thrashed the Brummies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 The Play-offs are brilliant! I love them. I'd have preferred that it hadn't been such a one sided final this year but it's been said before, it keeps the season alive.  Long live the Play-offs  Although Wolves have twice been champions after finishing second in the league I have never been a fan of the play offs.  The team that finishes top of the league should be declared champions otherwise there is no point to the league - Mr Pearson pointed out a few times last night that the fact that Brummies finished top of the league counted for nothing which decries the season long league.  By all means have a play off competition if one is wanted but this should be additional to the league toppers being declared champions.  Wolfie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) Although Wolves have twice been champions after finishing second in the league I have never been a fan of the play offs.  The team that finishes top of the league should be declared champions otherwise there is no point to the league - Mr Pearson pointed out a few times last night that the fact that Brummies finished top of the league counted for nothing which decries the season long league.  By all means have a play off competition if one is wanted but this should be additional to the league toppers being declared champions.  Wolfie  And call it 'The Craven Shield'.  But we all know that calling the play-off winners anything other than 'EL Champions' would be/have been no interest to Sky and would devalue the four team competition in their eyes. So let's devalue the season-long league campaign instead. Edited October 16, 2013 by Vincent Blackshadow 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Â Â Not prompted by yourself of course. Â They must do a lot of crying with laughter when watching sports. Â No because as others have said sports commentators dont tend to scream and shoo there load when nothing is happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Â Â No because as others have said sports commentators dont tend to scream and shoo there load when nothing is happening normal people don't find the need to twist about a speedway commentator on a forum also .... You're over reacting a tad one thinks?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Why not have a trophy for actual league winners ie Birmingham? And a trophy for the play off winners? Thus keeping the league winners happy, the bspa happy because the play offs attract big crowds.... Simple solution surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 With TV dictating sport, it is the modern way in most sports, bar Premier League football. For the tv networks it guarantees an increased interest and audience. The clubs like them because it draws in the crowds in droves. Poole have relatively decent crowds in comparison to most if not all EL teams but I am sure the Play-offs were up in numbers to the usual Wimborne Road attendance.. Its actually good to see a crowd on televised British Speedway. In general the only team that dislikes the play-offs if unsuccessful is the winners of the league (Birmingham Brummies). Although I believe in Rugby League now they award a League Winners Shield/Trophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 The sensible solution is staring everyone in the face, since it is already used in Rugby and many other sports where the champions are decided by play-offs:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_premiership  In Rugby League, the "minor" winners are given a Shield.  We've got the Craven Shield around somewhere, so award that to the team that finishes top of the regular season. That way, the team who finishes top of the table does not finish the season empty-handed, while it does not devalue from the bigger prize of champions that goes to the winner of the play-offs.  All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 With TV dictating sport, it is the modern way in most sports, bar Premier League football. For the tv networks it guarantees an increased interest and audience. The clubs like them because it draws in the crowds in droves. Poole have relatively decent crowds in comparison to most if not all EL teams but I am sure the Play-offs were up in numbers to the usual Wimborne Road attendance.. Its actually good to see a crowd on televised British Speedway. In general the only team that dislikes the play-offs if unsuccessful is the winners of the league (Birmingham Brummies). Although I believe in Rugby League now they award a League Winners Shield/Trophy. With TV dictating sport, it is the modern way in most sports, bar Premier League football. For the tv networks it guarantees an increased interest and audience. The clubs like them because it draws in the crowds in droves. Poole have relatively decent crowds in comparison to most if not all EL teams but I am sure the Play-offs were up in numbers to the usual Wimborne Road attendance.. Its actually good to see a crowd on televised British Speedway. In general the only team that dislikes the play-offs if unsuccessful is the winners of the league (Birmingham Brummies). Although I believe in Rugby League now they award a League Winners Shield/Trophy. Â SKY and BT dictate to the Premier League when they demand that selected matches are on at 1.30pm or 5.30pm on a Saturday, 1.30pm or 4pm on a Sunday and Monday nights. They govern the fixture list and as long as they are paying the vast sums they are it will be forever thus. Â NINE more "likes" today ... that makes over 40! Nice to strike a chord sometimes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 SKY and BT dictate to the Premier League when they demand that selected matches are on at 1.30pm or 5.30pm on a Saturday, 1.30pm or 4pm on a Sunday and Monday nights. They govern the fixture list and as long as they are paying the vast sums they are it will be forever thus. Â NINE more "likes" today ... that makes over 40! Nice to strike a chord sometimes... That's a completely different issue. Sky have no say on how the FA or Football league administer and run their respective competitions, it would never happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Of course they don't want silence ... but equally, are Sky's speedway production team really demanding such excitable nonsense that's all too often well out of proportion to the action the viewers are actually seeing ? Â You don't hear other long-established commentators on Sky going way over the top in describing routine action ... take football's Martin Tyler, rugby union's Miles Harrison or any of their Test match cricket commentators who all pace their work so much better that it enables them to make their calls of the greatest moments all the more memorable (notably, Tyler's cry of "Aguuueeiirro" for Man City's stoppage-time title-clinching goal in May 2012). Â Surely if it was Sky's general policy for over-the-top commentaries, Tyler would always be going berserk about the last goal in a comfortable 4-0 win, Harrison would usually be going crazy over the final try in an easy 35-3 win and any of Mike Atherton, Nasser Hussain or Sir Ian Botham would be screaming out loud every time the batsmen strolled an easy single ... none of those actually happens so why does Nigel Pearson or the speedway production team feel it necessary to adopt a different policy ? !! Â The best tv-commentators always bear in mind that their voice is complementing the pictures rather than dominating them ... all too often, Pearson's radio background means he's doing a radio-style commentary during a tv-broadcast. Spot On Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 It will still be deemed as second best, winning the qualifying table, when the Play-Off Finals that teams have been chasing is in view. Giving a trophy for winning the qualifying table would be like receiving losers' medals in the FA Cup Final 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 SKY and BT dictate to the Premier League when they demand that selected matches are on at 1.30pm or 5.30pm on a Saturday, 1.30pm or 4pm on a Sunday and Monday nights. They govern the fixture list and as long as they are paying the vast sums they are it will be forever thus. Â NINE more "likes" today ... that makes over 40! Nice to strike a chord sometimes... Â Hopefully it will make up for all the ones you didn't get for the Aces v Pirates fiasco on Sept 9th!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 The guy is a clown, the play offs are just a circus... Â But a circus thats here to stay for the forseeible future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 NO real comparison commentating on speedway races than soccer or cricket. And, yes, Sky (and BSI with regard to SGPs) do want, demand and love their passion and style. Not surprised to see you jump to the defence of Mr Pearson again Phil,I think Nigel ranks about 3rd behind BSI and the BSPA in your defence of all things establishment in speedway,although your reluctance to defend the protagonists in the Belle Vue / Poole farce said an awful lot 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Not surprised to see you jump to the defence of Mr Pearson again Phil,I think Nigel ranks about 3rd behind BSI and the BSPA in your defence of all things establishment in speedway,although your reluctance to defend the protagonists in the Belle Vue / Poole farce said an awful lot  NOT sure many will agree that I am a defender of the BSPA. Was actually told by a member of the MC in Torun that I was their "public enemy number one." I was flattered.  And you obviously didn't read what I wrote about the BV v Poole fiasco. I stated repeatedly that I wasn't there and didn't see it on TV so had no opinion. I did offer an view from an ex-rider who was there but again pointed out that I was in no position to agree or disagree. There is no doubt that it was a another sorry episode for British speedway but no one has actually produced any firm evidence that there was, as some suggest, a conspiracy.  Sure, I jump to the defence of Nigel, for two reasons. One, he is a mate and that's what mates do. And, second, I honestly believe and and KT do a first rate job and exactly what their paymasters want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013  Or a one legged final at a neutral track. Then we would be somewhere near most, if not all, of these other sports that have play-offs. Surely that defeats the object of the plays offs ? Why not have a trophy for actual league winners ie Birmingham? And a trophy for the play off winners? Thus keeping the league winners happy, the bspa happy because the play offs attract big crowds.... Simple solution surely? Because a play off meaning not winning the league would be not watched by anyone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Some saddos making a commentator the scapegoat for there grievances with speedway, laughable. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Surely that defeats the object of the plays offs ?  Because a play off meaning not winning the league would be not watched by anyone  That says it all really. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 In all my years watching live racing, not once did I need somebody standing at the side of me - whether in the grandstand or on the terrace - telling me exactly what I was seeing. Â Pearson, Tatum, Louis.. they don't bother me. Â The sport has far more serious things to address. These three aforementioned individuals, if rumours are correct, you won't have to put up with them any longer - not on SKY, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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