g13webb Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I can't disagree with any of your comments GRW - I have said many times that I would not like to be a promoter in these very difficult economic times. I have a lot of respect for them in trying to keep this great sport of ours alive. There is just one slight flaw in point you make - the BSPA are these same promoters you and I are referring to and I just don't get it that they can't work together to find the solutions to the problems the sport evidently has. Good post though...... Individually, I respect them all, 'well most of em' for the difficult job they do. But collectively, they seem to always miss the point. It's as if they all want to float their own boat at the expense of others. Look at the FTR debate last year. Its unbelievable that all the promoters couldn't agree on something so important as cost saving. If they weren't able to do that than I question them doing anything as ONE. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Every supporter knew the EL was going to fail this year, it was Jon Cooks brain child, and he doesn't play with his own money, Teams like Brum should have pulled out straight away when the plan was put forward, way before the AGM, don't try and compete this year, get rid of the top earners, cut your losses and join the PL next year, you certainly won't be the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Individually, I respect them all, 'well most of em' for the difficult job they do. But collectively, they seem to always miss the point. It's as if they all want to float their own boat at the expense of others. Look at the FTR debate last year. Its unbelievable that all the promoters couldn't agree on something so important as cost saving. If they weren't able to do that than I question them doing anything as ONE. ..............I suppose that is the flaw in the system that is the BSPA! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 All this negative talk and we won christ come on everying will start to pick up hopefully with good warm certain weather the crowds will come I know a few people mainly womenwho are waiting for the warm weather. Good news about king but now people are gonna accuse him of deliberatly riding poorly to get his average down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) If the EL clubs had been able to reduce their admission charges - as proposed - then the EL would have been much better VFM for all fans. However they were outvoted by the PL clubs, claiming any EL price reduction would severely damage their own businesses!!! So, 'working together' for what most fans want ie cheaper admission, didn't work!! Edited May 9, 2014 by Skidder1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummies_Ste Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 If the EL clubs had been able to reduce their admission charges - as proposed - then the EL would have been much better VFM for all fans. However they were outvoted by the PL clubs, claiming any EL price reduction would severely damage their own businesses!!! So, 'working together' for what most fans want ie cheaper admission, didn't work!! That cant be true Birmingham did reduce admission prices from & £16 to £ 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 That cant be true Birmingham did reduce admission prices from & £16 to £ 15 I wasn't talking just a quid!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) There has always been a minimum that Clubs have to charge, but not sure what that is nowadays, comparing speedway with ice hockey, Peterborough charge £13, Sheffield and Guildford charge £9, one is struggling, two are thriving, not exactly rocket science to guess which one is in trouble, they are both £10 sports, work around that, and the Sport stands a chance of surviving. Aldi and Lidl are thriving, Morrison and the rest have taken a massive hit, reason is one is giving people value for money, and the others have been profiteering for years, give the Public what they want and Speedway might just survive. Edited May 9, 2014 by Lord Skid 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) All this negative talk and we won christ come on everying will start to pick up hopefully with good warm certain weather the crowds will come I know a few people mainly womenwho are waiting for the warm weather. Good news about king but now people are gonna accuse him of deliberatly riding poorly to get his average down You have to admit it is one hell of a co-incidence that his new average allows him to do it & then he bangs in a 15 point maximum the very next meeting when a premier league slot is sorted?. That said the reality that Danny is high on the list of the foreign leagues isn't there so fair play for him getting a slot in the Premier league as if it happens in Sweden then why not here. Edited May 9, 2014 by Crazy robin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 That cant be true Birmingham did reduce admission prices from & £16 to £ 15 I wasn't talking just a quid!!! Three quarters of the people at Birmingham don't pay £15 anyway. They are on the concessionary admission which is £10. The rest will probably pay £7-£8 for many of this year's meeting thanks to the Groupon (etc) offers that are bound to appear in the weeks to come. How much less revenue should they take? At the end of the day, if the product is not right, then it won't matter how cheap the admission prices are, the fans won't come. What's really sad is that there's been 7-8 wasted years now, when speedway could have been made more teenager friendly, and we could now have had the first batch of new full-fare paying fans regularly coming through the turnstiles. Unfortunately, long-term planning has been ignored, and a policy of living one week to the next was the chosen course of "doing something". Now it's manic panic. Pretty soon we'll have "Save our Brummies", and then who knows what. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 The Brummie begging bowl is out to the supporters http://www.birminghambrummies.co/news.php?extend.1930 So Brummie's, is it the team- the promotion - speedway as a whole - or just got something better to do that's keeping people away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 BIRMINGHAM bosses have expressed concerns over crowd levels at Perry Barr this season.Promoters Alan and Charles Phillips have called on supporters to show their backing for the team, starting when they host Eastbourne in their latest Elite League fixture on Wednesday.Their statement read: “The average crowd is declining despite a massive upturn in team performance, although we have had increased sponsorship income this year compared to last it is simply not enough to compensate poor turnouts on the night over a sustained period of time.“A lot of work has happened behind the scenes to go into the 2014 season as a stable debt-free club, but despite this we cannot seem to lose the stigma of prior years.“We would like to put it on record now that Birmingham Speedway is not in debt or being chased by creditors - we are simply urging for the fans’ support with our Privilege club to enable us to create a far more sustainable Birmingham Speedway for the generations of the future.“We need people to take up the offer of the Privilege club to enable us to get some excitement back out there with a new No.1, but we also need people to come through our turnstiles week-in week-out and show their support for their team.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) That's fair enough and looking to bring in a quality #1 is a step forward - but will people put up with an inferior product for such a relatively high price. This isn't a dig at Birmingham (although their team is shocking this year) but more aimed at the general EL product. Imagine if you were marketing a new car - "we've changed the car to use inferior British parts - but this could be good in the long term as it keeps the costs down. And because of these changes we will keep the price the same". Ok, marketing wouldn't necessarily put that slant on it although I hope you can see what I'm trying to say. I know many people who have drifted away because of this and I have personally only been to one meeting this season as a result and, like others, I am not missing it and I thought I would - it's a worrying trend! Edited May 18, 2014 by Steve0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 That's fair enough and looking to bring in a quality #1 is a step forward - but will people put up with an inferior product for such a relatively high price. This isn't a dig at Birmingham (although their team is shocking this year) but more aimed at the general EL product. Imagine if you were marketing a new car - "we've changed the car to use inferior British parts - but this could be good in the long term as it keeps the costs down. And because of these changes we will keep the price the same". Ok, marketing wouldn't necessarily put that slant on it although I hope you can see what I'm trying to say. I know many people who have drifted away because of this and I have personally only been to one meeting this season as a result and, like others, I am not missing it and I thought I would - it's a worrying trend! Cannot believe you have only been to one meeting this year Steve! but you are an example of why our sport is in big trouble longtime supporters disillusioned.I have not missed a meeting so far at home, but i have nearly stayed at home on a couple of occasions i am at times mainly going on habit more than really wanting to go.I go and see a decent race and get a buzz but this product is not a 17 pound evening out paying also for car parking is a disgrace in my opinion.The frustration is if the sport was united and the supporters having an input thing's could be better as we know all to well this will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 I have found on the whole meetings and racing are a lot closer than previous years. Heat leaders facing each other more offen is a big plus for me. Problem with Birmingham is even when they were successful the crowds were not there despite countless offers. I really fear for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 You have to admit it is one hell of a co-incidence that his new average allows him to do it & then he bangs in a 15 point maximum the very next meeting when a premier league slot is sorted?. That said the reality that Danny is high on the list of the foreign leagues isn't there so fair play for him getting a slot in the Premier league as if it happens in Sweden then why not here. To be fair I don't see the problem in letting any British rider doubling up whatever their average is, if a PL club wants to include someone on a 12 plus MA what's the problem, they still have to get a team under the points limit and it will help him and British Speedway. I am just consistently fed up with foreign riders coming into the UK on clearly false assessed averages. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moorski Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 It is a sorry state of affairs at the Brummies, In my opinion losing the likes of Phil Morris & Jason Doyle this season have turned away many supporters as the team left behind is sub standard to say the least! coupled with the fact there are No experienced Speedway people left behind running the Club, it is a recipe for disaster. I think despite his good intentions Mr.Phillips has dug a massive hole in sand for himself. People will not attend during these difficult financial times paying out a lot of money for a poor product, merely begging folk to attend will not work, AP Wants people to attend on Weds against Eastbourne but who is going to pay £15! I hope something works out but it is hard to see how at the moment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P T Preece Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 I feel the biggest problem in this instant world we know live in is the speed of the meeting, long, slow and big gaps between races, we had the terrible incident with Skornicki last week and the usual time spent, when the paramedic wasnt available, now I understand the need for the Doctor/paramedic to be with the injured rider, but wouldent it be better in these days to have two qualified medics at the track so the action can continue, there is nothing happening while the Paramedic is away to entertain the fans, even the bloke in the middle went walkabout (thats not a dig) and it was just the music and the bloke in the box thanking us for our understanding, but you can see people getting bored. The whole thing needs to be speeded up, keep the action coming, look at the SGP four heats, grade the track, four more heats and please can we get rid of the interval, if you grade the track it gives people enough time to go to the loo, track shop or get something to eat and drink. Can I add before I get lynched Im not having ago at the Paramedics or the St johns people, but this has been going on for years and it never seems to be sorted, speed everything up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Hunter Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 So Brummie's, is it the team- the promotion - speedway as a whole - or just got something better to do that's keeping people away? TBH, I think it's a combination of all of the above. I know many people who have drifted away because of this and I have personally only been to one meeting this season as a result and, like others, I am not missing it and I thought I would - it's a worrying trend! Sadly, I've heard the same sentiments, both posted on forums and from individuals personally. You're right - it is a worrying trend - and it's not likely to decrease in the immediate future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sienna Ryan Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 I feel for Birmingham Speedway. even last year when they had a brilliant season, they still never seemed to have big crowds. Maybe open days or promoting at events will bring new people to Birmingham speedway, fan forums to see what is making people stay away. did fans prefer it went Birmingham were in the PL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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