Rebels 2014

[Tap Toucher]

The promtion will need and do what is best for there business end of story, it will upset some people and please others. In Nick they have a proven track record what he brings to the team/supporters. With Ty coming back from injury and pre season meetings completed could they afford not to bring Nick back?.

 

As said the decision I suspect was not taken lightly and if they feel other decisions have to be made in the future I'm sure Gary will not be frightend in making those decisions.

[coomie]

Looking forward to Friday to see are new team,hang on are number 1 will be missing great start !!

[Pirate Nick]

Really !!! Worky fans and promotion stick by their riders we don't stick knives in .

Presumably because you're not allowed out in public with sharp objects unless there's a grown up present?

[SomersetBlue]

What you mean stop comment on things we know nothing about??

Ty Proctor was publicly dropped because " I felt it only right to restore him to the line-up, albeit being at Ty’s expense, plus I think that having Nick at No.1 will give us a more of a cutting edge at the top end of the team.”[/size]

Whilst Ty himself said he was told that it was because he was coming back from injury and wasn't expected to score many points.

So i am commenting on things in the public domain.

I usually have a lot of time for Somerset, the track and facilities are superb. Love my visits there.

Doesn't stop me thinking the decision made stinks.

 

Fine with your first part of the post that is fair enough. The last part is ridiculous though, have time for somerset yet your agreeing with a poster we are disgraceful and hoping we have a dreadful season. Then say you hope Morris leaves us in the lurch.

 

Nothing to do with the rules its called sarcasm, something you lot down there use quite often but you are right it wont stop me in the future this is a forum after all.

 

Really !!! Worky fans and promotion stick by their riders we don't stick knives in .

What is your problem with somerset?

[oldtimer]

Looking forward to Friday to see are new team,hang on are number 1 will be missing great start !!

Not only will Nick be missing but Ben Barker also, not a good omen for the forthcoming season. I will also be missing, but that don't matter.

[lewy]

Plymouth have priority over birmingham but as its only a challenge against the rebs he is riding for brum i believe

[Boobs]

Not only will Nick be missing but Ben Barker also, not a good omen for the forthcoming season. I will also be missing, but that don't matter.

I think sir, that as a member of the paying public it matters very much.

[stevebrum]

 

 

Fine with your first part of the post that is fair enough. The last part is ridiculous though, have time for somerset yet your agreeing with a poster we are disgraceful and hoping we have a dreadful season. Then say you hope Morris leaves us in the lurch.

 

 

 

 

Makes no difference to me if you think any of it is good or ridiculous. Have family in Burnham so love visiting to watch good speedway on a great track when i come to visit.

Think what Somerset have achieved in a short time deserves huge applause and praise.

That said think the actions of your promotion (dropping morris (miss to many commitments), bring in Ty for Doyle and then drop him because of his poor pre season form and bring in Morris instead!) is shady at best.

If you have a good season then you will have made all the right decision no doubt. I couldn't care less right now if you have a good season or not after further adding to the troubles of my own clubs rider.

Proctor was fine by the way tonight, definitely your loss.

[Najjer]

 

Makes no difference to me if you think any of it is good or ridiculous. Have family in Burnham so love visiting to watch good speedway on a great track when i come to visit.

Think what Somerset have achieved in a short time deserves huge applause and praise.

That said think the actions of your promotion (dropping morris (miss to many commitments), bring in Ty for Doyle and then drop him because of his poor pre season form and bring in Morris instead!) is shady at best.

If you have a good season then you will have made all the right decision no doubt. I couldn't care less right now if you have a good season or not after further adding to the troubles of my own clubs rider.

Proctor was fine by the way tonight, definitely your loss.

Just because Proctor has said he was told this or that, doesn't make it true. Same goes for the Somerset promotion, just because a press release says it doesn't make it all 100% true.

 

However the one fact that we do know is that Somerset's preferred choice, not only the promotion but the fans aswell, is Nick Morris over Ty Proctor and that is all that really matters.

[drew2]

 

Makes no difference to me if you think any of it is good or ridiculous. Have family in Burnham so love visiting to watch good speedway on a great track when i come to visit.

Think what Somerset have achieved in a short time deserves huge applause and praise.

That said think the actions of your promotion (dropping morris (miss to many commitments), bring in Ty for Doyle and then drop him because of his poor pre season form and bring in Morris instead!) is shady at best.

If you have a good season then you will have made all the right decision no doubt. I couldn't care less right now if you have a good season or not after further adding to the troubles of my own clubs rider.

Proctor was fine by the way tonight, definitely your loss.

The whole Morris situation was brought about by the duff info fed to the promotion and the Kurtz family regarding Brady's average. The promotion had to act to comply with the points limit and unfortunately Nick was the one to go as at that time his U21 ambitions and the replacement options they had available were the contributing factors.

 

Now things have changed with Doyley's visa issues and Nick became available again with much better replacement options plus no U21's so the only loser in this is Ty, who has started the season slowly by his own admission.

 

The decision has been well received by the Somerset fans and is more than likely to get a few more back through the gates each week to see one of the class of 2013 back again. If your business had a chance to increase its income and prospects of success would you turn it down? I doubt it!

[stevebrum]

Just because Proctor has said he was told this or that, doesn't make it true. Same goes for the Somerset promotion, just because a press release says it doesn't make it all 100% true.

 

However the one fact that we do know is that Somerset's preferred choice, not only the promotion but the fans aswell, is Nick Morris over Ty Proctor and that is all that really matters.

 

Think we all know the facts that are clearly evident.

 

 

The whole Morris situation was brought about by the duff info fed to the promotion and the Kurtz family regarding Brady's average. The promotion had to act to comply with the points limit and unfortunately Nick was the one to go as at that time his U21 ambitions and the replacement options they had available were the contributing factors.

 

Now things have changed with Doyley's visa issues and Nick became available again with much better replacement options plus no U21's so the only loser in this is Ty, who has started the season slowly by his own admission.

 

The decision has been well received by the Somerset fans and is more than likely to get a few more back through the gates each week to see one of the class of 2013 back again. If your business had a chance to increase its income and prospects of success would you turn it down? I doubt it!

 

Morris i am sure is the fans and promotion preferred choice. Nothing wrong in that. If so why not ask Nick BEFORE offering the job to Ty? Can really mess with a riders season doing that.

Like i say, think the decision taken stinks but i`m on Ty`s side, naturally.

We have a `respect` thing at Wolves where we look after our riders. So obviously i`m going to not like the decisions taken that could have ruined Ty`s season.

Nothing matters now. You have the rider you want and we have Ty who is clearly happy at Wolves because we look after him. Think we are all happy.

Will still enjoy my trips to Somerset but will have indifference to showing any other support.

[drew2]

 

Think we all know the facts that are clearly evident.

 

 

Morris i am sure is the fans and promotion preferred choice. Nothing wrong in that. If so why not ask Nick BEFORE offering the job to Ty? Can really mess with a riders season doing that.

Like i say, think the decision taken stinks but i`m on Ty`s side, naturally.

We have a `respect` thing at Wolves where we look after our riders. So obviously i`m going to not like the decisions taken that could have ruined Ty`s season.

Nothing matters now. You have the rider you want and we have Ty who is clearly happy at Wolves because we look after him. Think we are all happy.

Will still enjoy my trips to Somerset but will have indifference to showing any other support.

In a way Somerset are doing just that in showing 'respect' to Nick who has much more of a history with the Somerset club than Ty has.

 

If you read my earlier post the situation with Nick changed when he said he was not doing the U21's and after Doyley's visa issue meant Nick would now come back as our number 1 rather than 2nd in averages. I am sure you must understand the difference that makes to any replacements.

 

We will agree to disagree on this one and i trust as you haven't got any other support from Somerset you will return back to the Wolves threads now?

[stevebrum]

 

 

In a way Somerset are doing just that in showing 'respect' to Nick who has much more of a history with the Somerset club than Ty has.

 

If you read my earlier post the situation with Nick changed when he said he was not doing the U21's and after Doyley's visa issue meant Nick would now come back as our number 1 rather than 2nd in averages. I am sure you must understand the difference that makes to any replacements.

 

We will agree to disagree on this one and i trust as you haven't got any other support from Somerset you will return back to the Wolves threads now?

 

 

You could look at it 2 ways regards Nick. They didn't show him much respect when he had all the other commitments did they!

Sorry if it seems i was looking for `other` support, i wasn't. Just pointing out another valid point of view.

Feel free to ignore it if you want. The point remains however.

Correct we will agree to disagree but i will still post on PL and Somerset threads if i feel its applicable. Again, please feel free to ignore.

[Poole Quay 7]

 

Makes no difference to me if you think any of it is good or ridiculous. Have family in Burnham so love visiting to watch good speedway on a great track when i come to visit.

Think what Somerset have achieved in a short time deserves huge applause and praise.

That said think the actions of your promotion (dropping morris (miss to many commitments), bring in Ty for Doyle and then drop him because of his poor pre season form and bring in Morris instead!) is shady at best.

If you have a good season then you will have made all the right decision no doubt. I couldn't care less right now if you have a good season or not after further adding to the troubles of my own clubs rider.

Proctor was fine by the way tonight, definitely your loss.

 

Sorry for you Somerset supporters but welcome to the one eyed world of purposely provoking stevebrum. In other words a Troll.

[Najjer]

 

Think we all know the facts that are clearly evident.

 

This should be good - enlighten me, what are the facts that 'we all know' about?

[screm]

It’s been a rollercoaster few days for Australian Ty Proctor, the Wolverhampton man thought he was all set to double-up with Premier League Champions Somerset, but on the eve of the Rebels press and practice day they decided to drop Proctor and bring in fellow Aussie, Nick Morris.

Proctor had been brought in to replace Jason Doyle in the Somerset septet but without turning a wheel for his new club he has been thrown on the scrap heap. Now Proctor has been left frustrated about how he has been treated and feels his reputation has been brought into question.

Proctor said; “On Thursday evening, the night before press and practice at Somerset, I switched my phone off as I was going to dinner with my partner. I just wanted a relaxing night, I didn’t think anyone would want to contact me. When I got home at 10 o’clock I switched my phone on and I had four voicemails from Garry May at Somerset, saying to call him as soon as possible.

“I thought it had something to do with press day so I called straight back. He basically said, listen Ty we are going to have to let you go mate. At first I thought it was a big joke, I asked him if he was serious and he said he was deadly serious. I got frustrated and I hung up on him, and that was that.

“My frustration is really high at the minute and I am in quite a bit of shock. I have never been sacked doing anything in my life, not whilst I’ve been working or by a club. I have always given my all for any club I have raced for, I have references, you can ask Redcar, Wolverhampton and Plymouth, I have always done everything possible for them.

“It is such a kick in the teeth, I felt my preparation has been right. Ok I may have been struggling in a few open meetings but at the same time if I hadn’t have done those meetings I would be behind the eight ball.

“Over the weekend my head was in a different place, I didn’t really want to be racing a speedway bike but I got away Sunday and turned my phone off and enjoyed some time to myself. I had to look at everything in a positive light and look forward, I think that helped me in last nights match at Wolves, it was a good night.

“There is a long list of things I invested in to race in the Premier League, I bought a Somerset team suit, hired a new van and I also have a full time mechanic to pay, I’ve outlayed a lot of money for this to happen to me.

“I first messaged Somerset back in mid January to let them know I was available, once I knew Jason Doyle wouldn’t be racing for them. I set my equipment up to be ready for racing in both leagues, I bought a few new engines and frames in that is just in the last month.

“I have put a lot of things in place and that is what makes this situation extremely frustrating. In the next month I would have had at least fifteen meetings, now I have nothing for three weeks after Saturday. It’s like being a plumber think you have all this work then last minute, sorry mate you don’t have it.

“I am looking into making a bit of a president with this situation, so other clubs don’t do the same thing to other riders in the future. My reputation has been slammed here, maybe other clubs will look at my results and think, oh Ty Proctor has only scored six but he has a 9.22 average in the Premier.

“Some clubs in the Premier could look and think that I am not going as good as they want, maybe the situation has ruined my reputation a little bit, clubs may think, Somerset didn’t want him why would we want him. Now I am going to look at things a lot differently, I was doing Somerset a favour but I can assure you that is the last favour I do for anyone in speedway”

[Najjer]

Let's get one thing straight, and put the violins down for a minute or two. It's a performance game and the aim is to win - that's what competition is about. Somerset have done what they believe will give them the best chance of this, and also as mentioned countless times already, financially the best decision in the wake of Nick Morris' popularity.

 

All this 'I was doing them a favour' is rubbish - I would buy that if he wasn't being paid every week, but it's not like he was going to be doing it for free. It's clear Somerset was going to be used as a confidence booster, and as a 'trial' to improve his Wolves scores.

[coomie]

All very we'll ,but to drop him so close to the season opener is very poor form ,as much as I'm pleased to see nick back I feel sad for ty as he never got the chance to prove to us his worth

[Starman2006]

Although you would have to feel a little sorry for Ty, but i do feel he's being a little mella dramatic when he says its ruined his reputation, of course it hasn't. Things do change, and Garry May thought the best way forward for the club is to stick with Nick.
Maybe, posibly, Garry could have given Ty a little more notice of the intention to bring back Nick into the team, but it happens in speedway, its not personal, its Business. Garry May wants the best team he can posibly assemble, within the clubs guildlines, he has a duty to the club sponsors and its fans.
Appart from the posibillity of Nick missing meetings, he now i assume will be their Number 1, which will mean Garry can cover him with a guest. My advice to Ty is simple, this episode has NOT ruined your reputation or your career, you are still an improving rider, clubs will not think any worse of you whatsoever, so i know you might say, easier said than done, but get your head down brush yourself off and start proving you are worthy of another position with a PL side in the future. Its a long season, and you never know whats round the corner..

Edited March 25, 2014 by Starman2006

[screm]

All very we'll ,but to drop him so close to the season opener is very poor form ,as much as I'm pleased to see nick back I feel sad for ty as he never got the chance to prove to us his worth

 

I think we all feel some sympathy for Proctor, but I agree with Najjer here, Somerset have to do what they think is best in getting points during the season and if this needs doing to do that then so be it. We will have all the answers come the end of the season.