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May I just point out there are a number of people that go to both Somerset and Poole. Living in Sherborne, near Yeovil, we are equal distant between the two tracks.

 

Teams are in different leagues so why not support both teams?

I do, but priority is Poole.

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Over the years I have seen many teams rise to dominance in the sport, Belle Vue, Ipswich, Coventry, Cradley Heath, and others. I have never known such dislike shown to them as that shown to Poole. It's notv about the winning - someone has to, but it's the way in which that success ha\s been achieved.

 

I'm not jealous of a team involved in the farcical match at Swindon when Poole blatantly threw races to keep their averages down. I'm certainly not jealous of a team involved in the disgrace at Belle Vue last year.

I'm not jealous of the constant manipulation and constant protestations of innocence.

I'm not jealous of a team whose previous good name is regularly dragged through the mud by the stupidity of two of its supporters.

 

I'm certainly not jealous of idiots who jeer and snipe at others about how successful they are and how everybody hates them because they're jealous.

 

No the word isn't jealousy, it's pity,

 

It's such a shame that one is now importing his ignorance into the Premier League and poisoning a rather enjoyable level of speedway. Hopefully if the wins disappear so will he.

 

It really isn't fair on a great club like Somerset that this individual should attach himself to it.

Think you may have achieved a 'whoosh' there rmc.... :rofl:

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Think you may have achieved a 'whoosh' there rmc....

Given Starman's normal level of postings it's very unlikely.

 

As for the 'water off a duck's back' cliche (couldn't they come up with something original just for once?), where there's no sense you don't expect sensitivity.... It's a bit much expecting them to understand, to be honest.

 

It's just sad the poison's being spread to a lovely set-up like Somerset.

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Given Starman's normal level of postings it's very unlikely.

 

As for the 'water off a duck's back' cliche (couldn't they come up with something original just for once?), where there's no sense you don't expect sensitivity.... It's a bit much expecting them to understand, to be honest.

 

It's just sad the poison's being spread to a lovely set-up like Somerset.

 

Could be that a lot of the staff there may also work for Poole : Team rename Somerset Pirates

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Over the years I have seen many teams rise to dominance in the sport, Belle Vue, Ipswich, Coventry, Cradley Heath, and others. I have never known such dislike shown to them as that shown to Poole. It's notv about the winning - someone has to, but it's the way in which that success ha\s been achieved.

 

I'm not jealous of a team involved in the farcical match at Swindon when Poole blatantly threw races to keep their averages down. I'm certainly not jealous of a team involved in the disgrace at Belle Vue last year.

I'm not jealous of the constant manipulation and constant protestations of innocence.

I'm not jealous of a team whose previous good name is regularly dragged through the mud by the stupidity of two of its supporters.

 

I'm certainly not jealous of idiots who jeer and snipe at others about how successful they are and how everybody hates them because they're jealous.

 

No the word isn't jealousy, it's pity,

 

It's such a shame that one is now importing his ignorance into the Premier League and poisoning a rather enjoyable level of speedway. Hopefully if the wins disappear so will he.

 

It really isn't fair on a great club like Somerset that this individual should attach himself to it.

Your something else you are, arn't you eh. I support both clubs, but those who dig and have swipes at both clubs are just, purely jealous of the success they get and deserve.. Of course, all your above wafflings can be proved can they.?.. or is it just pure speculation.. Matt Ford works very hard to bring the success we get to poole. Garry May and Debbie Hancock work just as hard to bring success to Somerset. and i admire any promoter/team manager who gets off his backside and works hard for that cause.. but i won't expect you to believe that. In the meantime, this INDIVIDUAL wiil continue to support both clubs..

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Over the years I have seen many teams rise to dominance in the sport, Belle Vue, Ipswich, Coventry, Cradley Heath, and others. I have never known such dislike shown to them as that shown to Poole. It's notv about the winning - someone has to, but it's the way in which that success ha\s been achieved.

 

I'm not jealous of a team involved in the farcical match at Swindon when Poole blatantly threw races to keep their averages down. I'm certainly not jealous of a team involved in the disgrace at Belle Vue last year.

I'm not jealous of the constant manipulation and constant protestations of innocence.

I'm not jealous of a team whose previous good name is regularly dragged through the mud by the stupidity of two of its supporters.

 

I'm certainly not jealous of idiots who jeer and snipe at others about how successful they are and how everybody hates them because they're jealous.

 

No the word isn't jealousy, it's pity,

 

It's such a shame that one is now importing his ignorance into the Premier League and poisoning a rather enjoyable level of speedway. Hopefully if the wins disappear so will he.

 

It really isn't fair on a great club like Somerset that this individual should attach himself to it.

 

I don't agree, Rob. I think the reason for the animosity against Poole and their promoter is jealousy, and its of the kind that has seen many take great glee in the (apparent) downfall of Manchester United.

 

There's no question that Poole are the most successful speedway club in the country on track, and one of the most successful off it. That's the kind of success that inspires envy.

 

Throwing races isn't new. I can certainly remember Cradley being accused of it in the 1980's, and saw Somerset do it at Rye House last year in a (successful) attempt to get a match point. Great club they might be, but they aren't averse to taking such dubious actions and they aren't by any stretch the only ones.

 

One man's manipulation is another man's skilled management. Remember when Coventry did it to keep Pawlicki at reserve ? Again, they aren't alone.

 

The situation at Belle Vue illustrates the point even more, because I really don't see how any blame might be attached to Poole. Belle Vue were the ones (grossly) at fault that day.

 

The fact that they have supporters whose inane comments annoy everyone is also something that isn't exclusive to Poole by a long chalk.

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I don't agree, Rob. I think the reason for the animosity against Poole and their promoter is jealousy, and its of the kind that has seen many take great glee in the (apparent) downfall of Manchester United.

 

There's no question that Poole are the most successful speedway club in the country on track, and one of the most successful off it. That's the kind of success that inspires envy.

 

Throwing races isn't new. I can certainly remember Cradley being accused of it in the 1980's, and saw Somerset do it at Rye House last year in a (successful) attempt to get a match point. Great club they might be, but they aren't averse to taking such dubious actions and they aren't by any stretch the only ones.

 

One man's manipulation is another man's skilled management. Remember when Coventry did it to keep Pawlicki at reserve ? Again, they aren't alone.

 

The situation at Belle Vue illustrates the point even more, because I really don't see how any blame might be attached to Poole. Belle Vue were the ones (grossly) at fault that day.

 

The fact that they have supporters whose inane comments annoy everyone is also something that isn't exclusive to Poole by a long chalk.

Fair and reasoned points but In disagree regarding jealousy - that's just a lame 'cover all' excuse by the irritations. Of course any success attracts a some jealousy but, like the other points covered it is a matter of degree. Yes, all of the criticisms of Poole could be levied against other promotions through the years but never to this degree. The events at Swindon and Belle Vue blatantly defrauded the public and it incenses me to see people make mealy-mouthed excuses for both, or resorting to the thuggish defence of 'prove it'.

 

The quoted examples of manipulation were minor compared to multiple 'engine failures'. We all have seen 4-2s turn into 3-3s to prevent the opposition using a tactical in the next race for example. It's a heck of a difference between that and riders repeatedly pulling out of races due to 'engine failures'. If I'd been at the Abbey that night I'd have demanded a refund - and not from the home promotion.

 

Belle Vue had no control of that league meeting - they had lost that by their own lame attempt at manipulation earlier in the season in calling the original match off. I find it beyond credibility that the disgrace at Belle Vue would have happened had Poole not needed their three points. Whether Poole were directly involved or not the way in which that farce was prolonged just long enough for them to get what they wanted was deplorable. People paid good money to watch that meeting. What about the paying public? I'd have said a call to Trading Standards wasn't far short of the mark.

 

 

I have never seen such a concentration of questionable behaviour at one track/promotion. Of course little can be proved, even if people were brave enough to want to, given the backlash it could create for the sport as a whole, but the 'aroma' is pretty pervasive.

 

Yes we've always had questionable situations but never such a concentration. To have these idiots gloating as if they're some kind of superior form of life is disgusting.

I despise sneering and I despise gloating.

 

Now, respecting the fact that this is a Somerset thread I am dismayed to see one of the irritants stupidly spreading this malaise into the Premier League which while having had its share of skullduggery and unpleasantness over the years has always managed to rise above it. I don't like to see it spreading to a league which in its various forms since I first met it as British League Division II on 1971 has given me such joy over the years.

 

We don't need it and a decent set-up like Somerset certainly doesn't. It's a shame that certain Poole elements have attached themselves to it. I expect it will only be while the Rebels are winning however.

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I don't agree, Rob. I think the reason for the animosity against Poole and their promoter is jealousy, and its of the kind that has seen many take great glee in the (apparent) downfall of Manchester United.

 

There's no question that Poole are the most successful speedway club in the country on track, and one of the most successful off it. That's the kind of success that inspires envy.

 

Throwing races isn't new. I can certainly remember Cradley being accused of it in the 1980's, and saw Somerset do it at Rye House last year in a (successful) attempt to get a match point. Great club they might be, but they aren't averse to taking such dubious actions and they aren't by any stretch the only ones.

 

One man's manipulation is another man's skilled management. Remember when Coventry did it to keep Pawlicki at reserve ? Again, they aren't alone.

 

The situation at Belle Vue illustrates the point even more, because I really don't see how any blame might be attached to Poole. Belle Vue were the ones (grossly) at fault that day.

 

The fact that they have supporters whose inane comments annoy everyone is also something that isn't exclusive to Poole by a long chalk.

Thank you Halifax Tiger, for putting the record straight. As i said in my post, I applaud any promoter/ team manager / promotional team who get off their backsides and do the best for their club, on and off the track. I cannot speak for anybody else, but at both Poole and Somerset thats exactly what they do, and you only get out what you put in, in turn they/we deserve the success both we at poole and Somerset get. On the subject of chucking races calling meetings off or riding with half a tyre is not catagorically proved, its ALL hearsay and speculation.. rider saftey is paramount, even rmc should know that... success doesn't come easy nor cheap, you have to work at it, and if other promotions are not prepared to do that then they have nobody but themselves to blame. In the meantime i wish you and your club all the best for the forthcoming season...

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I don't agree, Rob. I think the reason for the animosity against Poole and their promoter is jealousy, and its of the kind that has seen many take great glee in the (apparent) downfall of Manchester United.

 

There's no question that Poole are the most successful speedway club in the country on track, and one of the most successful off it. That's the kind of success that inspires envy.

 

Throwing races isn't new. I can certainly remember Cradley being accused of it in the 1980's, and saw Somerset do it at Rye House last year in a (successful) attempt to get a match point. Great club they might be, but they aren't averse to taking such dubious actions and they aren't by any stretch the only ones.

 

One man's manipulation is another man's skilled management. Remember when Coventry did it to keep Pawlicki at reserve ? Again, they aren't alone.

 

The situation at Belle Vue illustrates the point even more, because I really don't see how any blame might be attached to Poole. Belle Vue were the ones (grossly) at fault that day.

 

The fact that they have supporters whose inane comments annoy everyone is also something that isn't exclusive to Poole by a long chalk.

I have to say Chris that while there are no doubt some people jealous of Poole's success, IMO there are more who simply want to see the sport run fairly and with a level playing field for all and are consequently fed up with Ford pulling stunts season in, season out.

 

The integrity of the competition comes before my team winning and the EL hasn't had that for years unfortunately. Lots of teams work hard in an attempt to succeed but year after year they are peeing into the wind with Ford able to get away with whatever he likes time after time.

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I have to say Chris that while there are no doubt some people jealous of Poole's success, IMO there are more who simply want to see the sport run fairly and with a level playing field for all and are consequently fed up with Ford pulling stunts season in, season out.

 

The integrity of the competition comes before my team winning and the EL hasn't had that for years unfortunately. Lots of teams work hard in an attempt to succeed but year after year they are peeing into the wind with Ford able to get away with whatever he likes time after time.

 

Until the rule book is made crystal clear, with no grey areas, Matt Ford (and anyone else), will exploit those rules to the enth degree.

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Until the rule book is made crystal clear, with no grey areas, Matt Ford (and anyone else), will exploit those rules to the enth degree.

Look, as you are all so keen on Matt, I would be happy to get limited edition signed pictures for you all.. I'm very sure he'd be more than happy to do that for his fans.. This for you all could be a once in a lifetime opportunity to aquire the{ master,} the most successful promoter in recent history's Autogragph..

Please don't delay, this is on a first come first serve basis...

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Look, as you are all so keen on Matt, I would be happy to get limited edition signed pictures for you all.. I'm very sure he'd be more than happy to do that for his fans.. This for you all could be a once in a lifetime opportunity to aquire the{ master,} the most successful promoter in recent history's Autogragph..

Please don't delay, this is on a first come first serve basis...

 

Actually, I wasn't having a 'pop' at Matt Ford (or anyone else), I was actually having a 'pop' at the rulebook.

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Look, as you are all so keen on Matt, I would be happy to get limited edition signed pictures for you all.. I'm very sure he'd be more than happy to do that for his fans.. This for you all could be a once in a lifetime opportunity to aquire the{ master,} the most successful promoter in recent history's Autogragph..

Please don't delay, this is on a first come first serve basis...

Are they cheaper than Andrex if purchased in bulk.. ;)

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Look, as you are all so keen on Matt, I would be happy to get limited edition signed pictures for you all.. I'm very sure he'd be more than happy to do that for his fans.. This for you all could be a once in a lifetime opportunity to aquire the{ master,} the most successful promoter in recent history's Autogragph..

Please don't delay, this is on a first come first serve basis...

is that the one of you hanging out his arse?? :)
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