jenga Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Excellent analysis. I find it difficult to see how he can come in on a 5. He has been ruled ineligible for a NL (Cat 5) spot despite having/being eligible for a British Passport. That rules him out of Cat 4 (Commonwealth Rider new to British Racing), because if he were eligible for Cat 4 he'd equally be eligible for Cat 5. Cat 3 (riders in a non-professional league) would get him a 5, but if he were eligible for that, the surely that makes him Cat 4 and 5 eligible. So that takes us to Cat 2 (encompassing all riders in a Professional League outside of Sweden/Poland). And with that comes a 7 average. I have a feeling we will see a 5 average, with no actual justification as to him getting that. The Cradley NL decision suggests only a 7 is applicable. i have just been severly educated in the laws of speedway physics.. well presented and well over my head .. well done this poster..cracking post.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I'm seriously thinking of giving up on speedway, the whole thing is a mess, and the things I don't like about the sport now out way the things I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muirspud Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Drop kurtz and find someone else? Simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) Excellent analysis. I find it difficult to see how he can come in on a 5. He has been ruled ineligible for a NL (Cat 5) spot despite having/being eligible for a British Passport. That rules him out of Cat 4 (Commonwealth Rider new to British Racing), because if he were eligible for Cat 4 he'd equally be eligible for Cat 5. Cat 3 (riders in a non-professional league) would get him a 5, but if he were eligible for that, the surely that makes him Cat 4 and 5 eligible. So that takes us to Cat 2 (encompassing all riders in a Professional League outside of Sweden/Poland). And with that comes a 7 average. I have a feeling we will see a 5 average, with no actual justification as to him getting that. The Cradley NL decision suggests only a 7 is applicable. Cat 4: Commonwealth and USA (to a maximum of 4 each season) Riders new to British Speedway Cat 5: Riders who have ridden in the National Development League as an Amateur Wouldn't he come under Cat 4 because he hasn't ridden in the NDL ? That would mean a 5.00, and would do even if he was eligible to ride in the NDL. In addition, only Commonwealth riders who have patriality or a British passport can ride in the NDL so that rules out most of them from qualifying under Cat 5. I do agree, though, that decisions of this nature seem to me be made without any regard of the qualifying criteria whatsoever. Edited December 19, 2013 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 So is Kurtz a heat leader now?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 I can't see any news about this, where are people getting this from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 T Starman, it doesn't matter how old I get, I'll never repeat my self as much as you do...as much as you do....as much as you do......oh bugger, don't know what came over me then Must be your age mate, your age mate your age mate... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knowle Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Bill owns the stadium and is a farmer so it will either be polystyrene or straw Aided by some "Birmingham Thatch" i.e. Corrugated Iron Sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Aided by some "Birmingham Thatch" i.e. Corrugated Iron Sheet. that'll be for the bar n restaruant area, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble53 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 that'll be for the bar n restaruant area, lol This is not the 'Stade de Rough' we're talking about here :-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 This is not the 'Stade de Rough' we're talking about here :-p yeah,,, suppose you have a point,,, am bit still undecided what the purpose of 'the iron curtain' we have is,,, to keep the riff raff from the terraces out, or keep the rowdy lot from the bar in ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coomie Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) pontus aspgren instead of nick o'dear not good Edited December 21, 2013 by coomie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 So the new proposed line up for Somerset for 2014 is: Jason Doyle 9.79 Oliver Allan 8.09 Pontus Aspgren 6.74 Brady Kurtz 5.00 Todd Kurtz 4.85 Charles Wright 4.30 Paul Starke 3.52 Total Average 42.29 Points Remaining 0.21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 http://www.somersetrebels.co/news.php?extend.1107 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 I have a feeling we will see a 5 average, with no actual justification as to him getting that. The Cradley NL decision suggests only a 7 is applicable. And there we go, the typical compromise that doesn't meet the rules. He comes in on a 5 despite the reason he's not a 3 is due to riding in the Danish Elite League. Mind you it's a great precedence for future acquistions. Pick a category that in isolation a rider is eligible for. Kurtz qualifies as Category 4 if you ignore all other categories. So Emil Sayfutdinov (who I don't believe gained a UK average) is now eligible on an 8 in the PL as a Category 1 rider. Just ignore the Grand Prix category. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Eventually even though it should be a 7.00 but at least something has been done about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 The one person that I feel sorry for through this whole episode is Nick Morris. It would appear now that the lad has been stuffed and left without a Premier League place. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) So Sheffield can now sign vaculik on a 8, precedent been set ....... :-) Maybe Somerset knew what would happen, but at least got 2 points off his ave. Edited December 21, 2013 by 2ndbendbeerhut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 And there we go, the typical compromise that doesn't meet the rules. He comes in on a 5 despite the reason he's not a 3 is due to riding in the Danish Elite League. Mind you it's a great precedence for future acquistions. Pick a category that in isolation a rider is eligible for. Kurtz qualifies as Category 4 if you ignore all other categories. So Emil Sayfutdinov (who I don't believe gained a UK average) is now eligible on an 8 in the PL as a Category 1 rider. Just ignore the Grand Prix category. Agree. Just been reading Peter White in his OZ reports in the SS, and he is saying "From this distance, it seems nonsensical for a rider to have to give up what would be a great chance of winning his national title just to comply with a points average for a club in England. Where is the sense in that for the boy's career and the spectators out here who deserve better ? How about putting the sport first ?" So let's just scrap the rules for the sake of Brady and p**s off Danes who will still arrive with a 7 average for riding in their top Danish League. How about just starting on the higher average within the rules, ride in his countries Championship and still take his place with the Rebels as planned, albeit on a higher average. Problem solved. As for 'how about putting the sport first', way over the top response. FFS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Only one word for it- Shambles & I just hope that Nick gets fixed up somewhere else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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