Rebels 2014

[Starman2006]

Feel really sorry for Nick Morris. The innocent party in all of this. Somersets attempt at cheating has not only harmed there own chances but also Nick Morris is now out of a job. Disgrace all round.

And you know that to be fact do you? Two sides to every story, but posters on here as per usual assuming, and making up one. Perhaps somebody at the powers that be ought to explain.. Don't you?..

Edited December 18, 2013 by Starman2006

[scaramanga]

And you know that to be fact do you? Two sides to every story, but posters on here as per usual assuming, and making up one. Perhaps somebody at the powers that be ought to explain.. Don't you?..

yes the powers that be should explain

but obviosly this is speedway so they wont

both somerset and the bspa should release statements giving there side of the argument

the problem in speedway is the rules from time to time differ depending on who is trying to do what at what ever time of season

[Tsunami]

yes the powers that be should explain

but obviosly this is speedway so they wont

both somerset and the bspa should release statements giving there side of the argument

the problem in speedway is the rules from time to time differ depending on who is trying to do what at what ever time of season

The rules have been consistent, and practically everyone on here can see that Brady does not qualify as a 3 pointer on two counts. The point is what is alleged to have been said to Garry by allegedly the BSPA reps. Did he tell them all the facts, did he only tell half the story, did 3 people all get the answer wrong all year. We need answers why.

[Starman2006]

The rules have been consistent, and practically everyone on here can see that Brady does not qualify as a 3 pointer on two counts. The point is what is alleged to have been said to Garry by allegedly the BSPA reps. Did he tell them all the facts, did he only tell half the story, did 3 people all get the answer wrong all year. We need answers why.

Did the BSPA tell Garry all the facts? Garry doesn't go into things blindfolded..

[Lord Antebellum]

1) Somerset and the Kurtz family, enquire about Brady getting a UK passport, but are told he cannot get one until he turns 17.

 

2) Somerset ask BSPA if a UK passport-holder can enter PL racing for the first time on 3.00. They would be told he could. No problem. But no mention of.......

 

3) Instead of sitting at home twiddling his thumbs, 16-year-old Brady then turns up in Denmark and rides in one of their leagues. This automatically moves him, regardless of whatever passport he holds, onto a "has ridden in a league abroad" average, either a 5.00, more likely 7.00.

 

4) Having the UK passport is now only relevant inasmuch as he will not need a work permit.

 

5) Claims by Somerset that "we were told he'd be a 3.00" are probably correct -- but didn't they realise his riding overseas would change things? Didn't they think to (a) advise Brady not to enter league racing overseas if he wanted to claim his 3.00, and/or ( mention to the BSPA office that their "first-time newcomer on a UK passport" had started racing overseas?

Edited December 18, 2013 by Lord Antebellum

[RHayes]

...did Garry ask for all the facts? Works both ways.

[Heedthebaw]

1) Somerset and the Kurtz family, enquire about Brady getting a UK passport, but are told he cannot get one until he turns 17.2) Somerset ask BSPA if a UK passport-holder can enter PL racing for the first time on 3.00. They would be told he could. No problem. But no mention of.......3) Instead of sitting at home twiddling his thumbs, 16-year-old Brady then turns up in Denmark and rides in one of their leagues. This automatically moves him, regardless of whatever passport he holds, onto a "has ridden in a league abroad" average, either a 5.00, more likely 7.00.4) Having the UK passport is now only relevant inasmuch as he will not need a work permit.5) Claims by Somerset that "we were told he'd be a 3.00" are probably correct -- but didn't they realise his riding overseas would change things? Didn't they think to (a) advise Brady not to enter league racing overseas if he wanted to claim his 3.00, and/or ( mention to the BSPA office that their "first-time newcomer on a UK passport" had started racing overseas?

Hit the NAIL fairly and squarely on the HEAD.

[Najjer]

1) Somerset and the Kurtz family, enquire about Brady getting a UK passport, but are told he cannot get one until he turns 17.

 

2) Somerset ask BSPA if a UK passport-holder can enter PL racing for the first time on 3.00. They would be told he could. No problem. But no mention of.......

 

3) Instead of sitting at home twiddling his thumbs, 16-year-old Brady then turns up in Denmark and rides in one of their leagues. This automatically moves him, regardless of whatever passport he holds, onto a "has ridden in a league abroad" average, either a 5.00, more likely 7.00.

 

4) Having the UK passport is now only relevant inasmuch as he will not need a work permit.

 

5) Claims by Somerset that "we were told he'd be a 3.00" are probably correct -- but didn't they realise his riding overseas would change things? Didn't they think to (a) advise Brady not to enter league racing overseas if he wanted to claim his 3.00, and/or ( mention to the BSPA office that their "first-time newcomer on a UK passport" had started racing overseas?

 

Probably the most sensible post in this whole thread.

 

Claims of 'cheating' is a million miles away from the correct answer - major mistake, probably from more than one party, seems nearer the truth.

[piston197]

Surely this is a lesson that could have been learned when elder brother Todd claimed the Brit partiality and the reduction in averages for a british passport holder, only to have it turn round and bite Newports team building fairly and squarely on the ass, when it became apparent riding in Aussie champs removed the Brit trump card.

Brady riding in Denmark seems to have scuppered Somersets plans likewise.

Maybe a bit of a mistake in the case of Todd,( although I believe he was warned), maybe a bit stupid the second time with the younger Kurtz ?

[Crazy robin]

As well as for the Rebels this action may also have repercussions for Nick Morris, Swindon and others.

Ashley Birks if ok may be back at Scunthorpe, which makes it awkward for both him and Nick to du at Swindon if both are at that club.

It is not known that Peterborough will be in the PL, if they do join, meeting clashes with Swindon could rule him out of Peterborough.

This could leave Nick without a PL team, screw up Ashley riding in the EL, muck up Swindons team plans, the whole thing is a mess.

Nick could be in trouble as Peterborough are a Thursday night track as well as Swindon.

 

What a mess & looks like Brady might be able to do the Aussie championships after all if he's now on a different average.

[A ORLOV]

Nick could be in trouble as Peterborough are a Thursday night track as well as Swindon.

 

What a mess & looks like Brady might be able to do the Aussie championships after all if he's now on a different average.

Peterborough rode on a friday this year but there is talk they may change race night. This whole saga cannot be good for Nick as he really likes Somerset, and riding with Jason.

Edited December 18, 2013 by A ORLOV

[EnglishRoundabout]

Madmy trips to the OTA well worthwhile too. Great to watch was the kid.

[Ned Kelly 41]

What a mess & looks like Brady might be able to do the Aussie championships after all if he's now on a different average.

Nope, he can't. Nominations closed two weeks ago. Home and hosed, mate.

[neb]

is it a possibility you all might be barking up the wrong tree and the reason morris has been dropped is because he will miss to many meetings for the rebels?do swindon have first call on his services over somerset? with jason also doubling up they can ill afford to loose them both if they want to retain the league championship again.i find it strange allen gets the nod over nick.

[500cc]

1) Somerset and the Kurtz family, enquire about Brady getting a UK passport, but are told he cannot get one until he turns 17.

 

2) Somerset ask BSPA if a UK passport-holder can enter PL racing for the first time on 3.00. They would be told he could. No problem. But no mention of.......

 

3) Instead of sitting at home twiddling his thumbs, 16-year-old Brady then turns up in Denmark and rides in one of their leagues. This automatically moves him, regardless of whatever passport he holds, onto a "has ridden in a league abroad" average, either a 5.00, more likely 7.00.

 

4) Having the UK passport is now only relevant inasmuch as he will not need a work permit.

 

5) Claims by Somerset that "we were told he'd be a 3.00" are probably correct -- but didn't they realise his riding overseas would change things? Didn't they think to (a) advise Brady not to enter league racing overseas if he wanted to claim his 3.00, and/or ( mention to the BSPA office that their "first-time newcomer on a UK passport" had started racing overseas?

Excellent analysis.

 

I find it difficult to see how he can come in on a 5. He has been ruled ineligible for a NL (Cat 5) spot despite having/being eligible for a British Passport. That rules him out of Cat 4 (Commonwealth Rider new to British Racing), because if he were eligible for Cat 4 he'd equally be eligible for Cat 5.

 

Cat 3 (riders in a non-professional league) would get him a 5, but if he were eligible for that, the surely that makes him Cat 4 and 5 eligible.

 

So that takes us to Cat 2 (encompassing all riders in a Professional League outside of Sweden/Poland). And with that comes a 7 average.

 

I have a feeling we will see a 5 average, with no actual justification as to him getting that. The Cradley NL decision suggests only a 7 is applicable.

[womble53]

is it a possibility you all might be barking up the wrong tree and the reason morris has been dropped is because he will miss to many meetings for the rebels?do swindon have first call on his services over somerset? with jason also doubling up they can ill afford to loose them both if they want to retain the league championship again.i find it strange allen gets the nod over nick.

The difference with Jason is that he is not an asset of either club, and as such the club who signed him first, has first call on his services

 

Duly edited Sugarray.....That's what I get for repeatedly pressing the post button on my phone when the free wifi in our hotel is on a 'go-slow' :-)

 

Starman, it doesn't matter how old I get, I'll never repeat my self as much as you do...as much as you do....as much as you do......oh bugger, don't know what came over me then

Edited December 20, 2013 by womble53

[Catalan]

Dave you don't have to repeat yourself. We always listen when you speak!

[Starman2006]

Dave you don't have to repeat yourself. We always listen when you speak!

You know what they say mate, the older you get, the more you start to repeat yourself!!

[iand]

The difference with Jason is that he is not an assaet of neither club, and as such the club who signed him first has first call on his services.

 

Does that mean that Simon Lambert who I believe is a Sheffield asset, because he signed for Rye 1st we have 1st call on his services, then Birmingham who signed him 2nd and then if he manages to get a night off he can ride at Number 1 for the Kent Kings ( not bad for a rider that Rye and Somerset both dropped last season).

[Django]

Yes, Rye will have priority