OGT Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 there were a few toots on the airhorns but I would think locals would have noticed the fireworks more, i am suprised they were allowed if noise is a problem Planning permission bans airhorns and allows end of season fireworks, simple as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_art Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 What are Pike fans, never bothered with fishing myself! I agree when it was announced they should have stopped but to be fair i didn't really notice any air horns being used after the first announcement when they seemed to be sounded at the same time as the announcement. This whole saga is getting a bit like only Poole fans cheer when a rider falls rubbish, when in fact the only rider that got a cheer at Birmingham when he fell was Jonasson. That's the trials and tribulations of posting with a phone that doesn't recognise the word Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Every time I have been down the Brummies this season there has been a notice on the door at the turnstiles pointing out air horns not allowed. must admit when I've been I've seen the signs as clear as day , probably some poole fans were so far up fords backside they didn't see them 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 But if Poole had lost none of this would of come up would it ! Just pages of taking the piss. Your all doing everything to distract from our win. Yes if this happened with the air horns then it was wrong but why keep going on about every single thing you can to put Poole down. Poole is fantastically run and surported , maybe all these clubs who are not is because the area does not really want speedway and that is not our fault. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Every time I have been down the Brummies this season there has been a notice on the door at the turnstiles pointing out air horns not allowed. Poole would do well to get some sponsorship from SpecSavers then, encourage their fans to get their eyes tested eh :-S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 must admit when I've been I've seen the signs as clear as day , probably some poole fans were so far up fords backside they didn't see them And what a lovely bum he has lol. Better than some old saggy stuck in the past stay press trouser numpty of a promoter :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 And what a lovely bum he has lol. Better than some old saggy stuck in the past stay press trouser numpty of a promoter :-) you won't get me knocking ford on how he gets people thro the gate , no doubt about it he does a excellent job for poole , as I've posted 100s of time , people who moan about ford should take it up with there promotion , after all there the 1s who just have as much say as poole on rules 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Airhorngate!! Get over yourselves, it's finished, Poole won, Birmingham won't get closed down over it. We currently have Birmingham, Eastbourne and Swindon in big financial trouble. Poole are well financed and well supported, more clubs should look at how to do the same. Just a bit of exuberance, see it for what it was. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Buck Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 The air horns ban was imposed by Birmingham City Council as a condition of the planning consent. Bells, rattles and fireworks were not banned so there is no point in making comparisons in noise levels between these and air horns. The chief planning officer at Birmingham did everything he could to persuade the Planning Committee to refuse the planning application and one of his reasons was that "the supporters use air horns." When it was suggested that their use could be prohibited he claimed that this would be unenforceable. Fortunately for us, the Committee over-ruled his recommendation and approved a planning consent subject to a total of 68 conditions, one of which was that air horns would not be used. It was made very clear to us from the onset that if we did not comply with all of the conditions then the planning approval could be withdrawn,so those people from Poole who adopted such a boorish attitude last Tuesday will have put the future of Birmingham Speedway in jeopardy if there should be any complaints made by local residents. For what it is worth, I think the air horn ban is nonsensical and would only cause a nuisance if they were to be sounded in the streets around the stadium which have residential homes in them, but the request not to use them was reasonable and made politely and there was no need for the kind of ill-mannered reaction that resulted. It might be logical to say as an earlier poster did "Oh come on - it was a cup final" but the sour faces in the planning office wouldn't see it like that - they would just see it as being a vindication of their claim that the air horns ban can't be enforced. I would emphasise that what I have written is aimed at a comparatively small number of Poole supporters and that the vast majority were happy to put away their horns when asked to do so and had no difficulty in making their presence known by their cheering. There are no "sour grapes" intended. Poole were very worthy winners and although I would have liked to see my own team win, I have no complaint about the result or the conduct of the majority of Poole supporters who were fully entitled to enjoy their success and to celebrate accordingly. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 And what a lovely bum he has lol. Better than some old saggy stuck in the past stay press trouser numpty of a promoter :-) Seems like The Know has been awarded the Order of The Brown Nose for services rendered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_art Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 This had nothing to do with Poole winning or losing and yes it would have come up no matter what the result. I will try to explain why. 26 years. That's why. That's how long we were without speedway in Birmingham. I have had to endure waiting on four separate occasions since 2007 for councils to vote on letting the Brummies run.And the issue each time? Noise of course. On one occasion we were given only one year to run and to get the noise down. We were fortunate that the new silencers came in and that saved our bacon. So yes we are a bit touchy on the subject and I hope this explains why and why this has nothing to do with the result.difficult as that result was to swallow Now some questions for Poole followers.let's see if you can answer them. Why has this only been a problem this one time? Why have other fans had no problem with this except Poole. Why when being asked not to by various officials and on one occasionby a 12 year old boy. The best response was to laugh and the worst was to respond with bad language? Why had not one Poole supporter had the decency to apologise. None of these issues have been addressed by Poole fans on here. Instead they have tried hard to deflect. (choice of music for goods sake.) I won't hold my breath. The air horns ban was imposed by Birmingham City Council as a condition of the planning consent. Bells, rattles and fireworks were not banned so there is no point in making comparisons in noise levels between these and air horns. The chief planning officer at Birmingham did everything he could to persuade the Planning Committee to refuse the planning application and one of his reasons was that "the supporters use air horns." When it was suggested that their use could be prohibited he claimed that this would be unenforceable. Fortunately for us, the Committee over-ruled his recommendation and approved a planning consent subject to a total of 68 conditions, one of which was that air horns would not be used. It was made very clear to us from the onset that if we did not comply with all of the conditions then the planning approval could be withdrawn,so those people from Poole who adopted such a boorish attitude last Tuesday will have put the future of Birmingham Speedway in jeopardy if there should be any complaints made by local residents. For what it is worth, I think the air horn ban is nonsensical and would only cause a nuisance if they were to be sounded in the streets around the stadium which have residential homes in them, but the request not to use them was reasonable and made politely and there was no need for the kind of ill-mannered reaction that resulted. It might be logical to say as an earlier poster did "Oh come on - it was a cup final" but the sour faces in the planning office wouldn't see it like that - they would just see it as being a vindication of their claim that the air horns ban can't be enforced. I would emphasise that what I have written is aimed at a comparatively small number of Poole supporters and that the vast majority were happy to put away their horns when asked to do so and had no difficulty in making their presence known by their cheering. There are no "sour grapes" intended. Poole were very worthy winners and although I would have liked to see my own team win, I have no complaint about the result or the conduct of the majority of Poole supporters who were fully entitled to enjoy their success and to celebrate accordingly. As always Brian says it better than I ever could. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 This had nothing to do with Poole winning or losing and yes it would have come up no matter what the result. I will try to explain why. 26 years. That's why. That's how long we were without speedway in Birmingham. I have had to endure waiting on four separate occasions since 2007 for councils to vote on letting the Brummies run.And the issue each time? Noise of course. On one occasion we were given only one year to run and to get the noise down. We were fortunate that the new silencers came in and that saved our bacon. So yes we are a bit touchy on the subject and I hope this explains why and why this has nothing to do with the result.difficult as that result was to swallow Now some questions for Poole followers.let's see if you can answer them. Why has this only been a problem this one time? Why have other fans had no problem with this except Poole. Why when being asked not to by various officials and on one occasionby a 12 year old boy. The best response was to laugh and the worst was to respond with bad language? Why had not one Poole supporter had the decency to apologise. None of these issues have been addressed by Poole fans on here. Instead they have tried hard to deflect. (choice of music for goods sake.) I won't hold my breath. As always Brian says it better than I ever could. The issue maybe that no poole fan has apologised because maybe the fans that used the air horns do not post on this forum, there are some fans that dont go on forums!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 The air horns ban was imposed by Birmingham City Council as a condition of the planning consent. Bells, rattles and fireworks were not banned so there is no point in making comparisons in noise levels between these and air horns. The chief planning officer at Birmingham did everything he could to persuade the Planning Committee to refuse the planning application and one of his reasons was that "the supporters use air horns." When it was suggested that their use could be prohibited he claimed that this would be unenforceable. Fortunately for us, the Committee over-ruled his recommendation and approved a planning consent subject to a total of 68 conditions, one of which was that air horns would not be used. It was made very clear to us from the onset that if we did not comply with all of the conditions then the planning approval could be withdrawn,so those people from Poole who adopted such a boorish attitude last Tuesday will have put the future of Birmingham Speedway in jeopardy if there should be any complaints made by local residents. For what it is worth, I think the air horn ban is nonsensical and would only cause a nuisance if they were to be sounded in the streets around the stadium which have residential homes in them, but the request not to use them was reasonable and made politely and there was no need for the kind of ill-mannered reaction that resulted. It might be logical to say as an earlier poster did "Oh come on - it was a cup final" but the sour faces in the planning office wouldn't see it like that - they would just see it as being a vindication of their claim that the air horns ban can't be enforced. I would emphasise that what I have written is aimed at a comparatively small number of Poole supporters and that the vast majority were happy to put away their horns when asked to do so and had no difficulty in making their presence known by their cheering. There are no "sour grapes" intended. Poole were very worthy winners and although I would have liked to see my own team win, I have no complaint about the result or the conduct of the majority of Poole supporters who were fully entitled to enjoy their success and to celebrate accordingly. A very well written post that should clarify things for one or two Poole fans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) As this is such an understandably sensitive issue for Brummies, I wonder if there was any advance communication between the respective promotions in order to bring this more to the attention of Poole's travelling fans. Announcements could have been made during the first leg at Poole, a notice in the programme, even notices/announcements on the coaches bringing the fans. It is after all a very 'almost unique' condition and as its so important to the continued existence of Birmingham could have been treated more seriously by all concerned!! Maybe a permanent notice on the home page of the Brummies website, might also have been useful?! Oh hang on.......! Edited October 17, 2013 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_art Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) Never been an issue before, and that includes at least the other finals. Why should we think there would be an issue now. No one seems to be capable of answering that question. Why are Poole fans any different? In fact if you can answer that why not come on to the speedway tavern tonight. I bet you don't. Edited October 17, 2013 by guitar_art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) As this is such an understandably sensitive issue for Brummies, I wonder if there was any advance communication between the respective promotions in order to bring this more to the attention of Poole's travelling fans. Announcements could have been made during the first leg at Poole, a notice in the programme, even notices/announcements on the coaches bringing the fans. It is after all a very 'almost unique' condition and as its so important to the continued existence of Birmingham could have been treated more seriously by all concerned!! Maybe a permanent notice on the home page of the Brummies website, might also have been useful?! Oh hang on.......! I think you could count the times opposing fans have let off air horns at PB on less than the fingers of one hand, that's over 7 seasons. Why do think this is the case? Could some fans be a wee bit more respectful than others? Edited October 17, 2013 by OGT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P T Preece Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 I dont think its a one off, isnt Redcar in the same postion and maybe leicester, not sure so dont quote me on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_art Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 I dont think its a one off, isnt Redcar in the same postion and maybe leicester, not sure so dont quote me on it. Sorry Peter couldn't resist quoting you on it. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Never been an issue before, and that includes at least the other finals. Why should we think there would be an issue now. No one seems to be capable of answering that question. Why are Poole fans any different? In fact if you can answer that why not come on to the speedway tavern tonight. I bet you don't. I have no idea what the speedway tavern is, so you will win your bet!! Incidentally, on another thread forum members are being asked to give one positive and one negative about speedway. A Brummies fan (I presume) has already listed 'lack of atmosphere' as a negative! I know it doesn't answer your question but maybe Poole fans are so used to having a great atmosphere at Wimborne Road, that they do have to be reminded - in every way possible - that other tracks have their own local issues!! Despite what some will have you believe, Poole do have many, many sensible, enthusiastic and regular fans who are able to understand sensible requests, especially on issues that are so sensitive. I presume there weren't any issues at the league meetings, so as stated maybe it was just the euphoria of reaching the play-off final (again). Maybe there is an argument for having the final on a neutral track that has no restrictions?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 I called his post childish and imbecilic. A fair statement considering the content. Perhaps if he said anything worthwhile other than constantly spewing billious rants at Poole he would get a better response. if you would care to quote my bilious rant at Poole after you won the league then please do! I congratulated Poole and the riders just not you! love watching you dig yourself deeper and deeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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