stevebrum Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Sorry to hear that. If you don't mind me asking what was the reason for asking them to stop using air horns? Can't use air horns at Birmingham, planning restrictions. Shame on those fans who still used them and gave off a mouthful of abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Indeed, a brilliant choice and it sums up perfectly why Poole can have such an unsettled team and disjointed season and still come up smelling of roses at the death. Congratulations to Matt Ford and his cheque book. can see where you are coming from but to be fair to Matt Ford he does speculate to accumulate so using his 'cheque book' is an 'ends to a means'... and also he knows, through experience, the fickle nature of the pirate fans when their team is on a losing streak, ie crowds dwindle as the fair weather supporters stop turning up just leaving the die hards... hence, he needs to keep his team successful or the 'speculation' on salaries at the start of the season will leave the club on a poor financial footing...... the only gripe I would have is the way he ignored a directive re the lakeside meeting and rode completely rough shod over the integrity of the league, (which if I am honest does dilute pooles achievement considerably in my eyes as they subsequently got points from the restaging, which, without getting, they wouldnt have qualified for the playoffs) other than that blatant disregard for the rules, he seems to run a professional business model which a few others may consider following... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) other than that blatant disregard for the rules, he seems to run a professional business model which a few others may consider following... Don`t think i have ever seen `blatant disregard for the rules` and `runs a professional business model which a few others may consider following` in the same sentence. Edited October 16, 2013 by stevebrum 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Congratulations to Poole. Whatever anybody thinks of their way of doing things, or the play off system, the record books will show that the Pirates are the Champions of 2013. It should be remembered that whilst Poole snuck into the play offs and went on to beat the table topping side, they themselves have been on the receiving end of that equation twice in recent years, Their championship is no less valid than the Bees in 2010 or the Robins last year. I do not agree with everything Poole do, but I certainly wish my own team's promotion showed as much determination and desire to win as the Poole management. The most sensible post on here following the final from a non Poole supporter. Makes a change from the anti Poole abundantly jealous posters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Having just watched the Sky Broadcast all I can say is, as I thought, Pirates didn't need to get out of second gear. All the work was done in the first leg and last night was just about being sensible. Well done to the hundreds and hundreds of Pirates fans who made the 350 mile round trip to cheer on the boys to victory. It shows passion when not one single person pulled out of going on the three booked coaches from the day before. The noise we all generated was fantastic and it's probably the most Poole fans I have ever seen at an away speedway league meeting. A wonderful title. Fully deserved and a big thank you has to go out to Matt Ford for never giving up. Five titles is proof that he is doing it right. For Birmingham, I know exactly how their fans are feeling having suffered the same in 2010 and last season. Very disappointing to finish top and get no reward. Smolinski ha now fully reverted to the rider we expected to see. A second string/reserve who had a blinding start to the season before slowly fading back to his expected for. GP Rider? Bring back Dryml. Doyley was excellent. Really gave it a go and the best Brum rider by the proverbial mile. King was poor in the first leg and unfortunately got injured before a lap was up. Hope he is OK. Barker was found seriously wanting over the two legs. Showed up after the title had gone. Harris battled as always but his best days are behind him. The pace was perhaps too fast? Covatti was woeful to be honest. Where was the battler from earlier this season? Auty tried and did his job. nasty fall in his last but he seemed hopefully OK. For Poole: Ward is just two classes above most of the riders there last night. THJ battled in every race but threw away points. Hancock did what was asked. No risk racing. Janowski did a job. Needs to sort out his motivational mind set at meetings? Josh G was man of both meetings and scored superbly in both. I hunted him out to say well done to him last night and he was chuffed to bits with how he had done. Well done than man. Newman did more than expected and well done to him. A Poole lad winning a Championship medal! I think Brum mad a couple of mistakes. Their season flat lined. It is very nice to say we kept the same seven riders all season, but as the season progressed they never stepped up a gear. The results coming in gave them a false sense of security as they remained at the top, but I always felt the winner of the league would come from the other semi final, and so it proved. Smolinski's points had deserted him, Barker and King were blowing hot and cold and the Brum reserves, who were a force earlier this season, went AWOL. As I said its not nice to lose when your team finishes top of the pile but we all know the rules and it's happened to Poole twice in the last 4 years. The playoffs bring much more to the sport than not having them so they are here to stay. Hilarious moment of the night was the interview of the Lord Mayor of Birmingham and his wife. the Mayor said he had never been to speedway before but would "try" to come again next season. When the lady Mayor was asked the same question, she said, " maybe". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Yes and I acknowledged that did I not? What is the privileged you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) But if even one person watching is curious to find out and ends up taking their family to speedway, then that's a few more fans the sport didn't have before. I really don't understand why initiatives like this to publicise the sport are criticised. Its not a criticism, just an observation... Edited October 16, 2013 by blupanther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 I think Brum mad a couple of mistakes. Their season flat lined. It is very nice to say we kept the same seven riders all season, but as the season progressed they never stepped up a gear. The results coming in gave them a false sense of security as they remained at the top, Overall a fair summary Steve of the meeting. I disagree that they `never stepped up a gear as the season progressed tho`. They continued to build strength as the season went on. They only failed to step up in the play offs, they weren't all that convincing against us. Poole have huge experience when it comes to big nights and the Brummies sadly lacked any experience or fight. Smolinski, after a superb season, was absolutely dire. It was like he was guesting for an absent number one and was still carrying his 5 point something average. Absolutely shocking. I agree Doyle over 2 legs was fantastic but Brum`s `strength` at reserve was also dire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) Covatti was woeful to be honest. Where was the battler from earlier this season? You do talk sh1te Steve! Heat 12: Auty, Covatti, Grajczonek, Hancock. (5-1) Edited October 16, 2013 by Flyin Panther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Just caught the first lap of heat 15 during half-time from Wembley (forgot Poole TV was on actually), didn't look like & doesn't sound like I missed much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 You do talk sh1te Steve! Heat 12: Auty, Covatti, Grajczonek, Hancock. (5-1) Gifted when it was all over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 You do talk sh1te Steve! Heat 12: Auty, Covatti, Grajczonek, Hancock. (5-1) To be fair Poole had the tie won by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 It shows passion when not one single person pulled out of going on the three booked coaches from the day before. Now that, with respect, is just silly. No-one pulled out of a trip that was perhaps 99 per cent certain to result in Elite League title celebrations? Well, there's dedication. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 You do talk sh1te Steve! Heat 12: Auty, Covatti, Grajczonek, Hancock. (5-1) Where was he in heat 2 Newman and Grajczonek would have needed binoculars to see him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirio Barre Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) I had hoped to be there on Monday even booked some holiday off work to get to the meeting but the weather put pay to that. I couldn’t get there last night due to work but I have just watched the meeting this morning after recording it. Congratulations to the Pirates a rather apt nickname as they did rather steal the title but everyone knows the rules at the start off the season and I was there in 2010 jumping around when Coventry came from nowhere to take the title from Poole, so what goes around comes around. And I’m sure nearly all; if not all speedway fans are happy when Greg wins a trophy. I thought last night was a decent meeting given the track conditions and any new fans watching would have enjoyed it. Auty in heat 8 spectacular overtaking and as much as we don’t want to see riders injured new fans can be attracted by crashes and there was a few last night (sorry but crashes do sell the sport). As for the stick Matt Ford gets I have to disagree with a lot of it. I think he is a fantastic promoter, he has a great team, racing in the best stadium with the biggest support, if only there were a few more like him in British speedway it would be much stronger. And if he can get the best for his team when it comes to rule changes then good on him others should be equally as strong. As for the air horn issues, it’s not right that Mr Buck got abuse but come on its the grand final honestly did you think fans of either side would not make as noise as is possible and I guess most Poole fans were unaware of the no air horn policy. My commiserations to the Birmingham fans I just hope your back again next year and hopefully in the top flight, It would be nice if Birmingham or any future winners of the league are awarded something to show for their efforts maybe a pendant they could fly outside their stadium as they do in county cricket. But questions have to be asked about Birmingham’s strength when it matters? How many times have Birmingham failed in big matches since they returned, be it play off’s or cup finals apart the Wolves victories a couple of weeks ago I can’t remember them winning any crucial meeting either home or away. Edited October 16, 2013 by Pirio Barre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham C Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) But questions have to be asked about Birmingham’s strength when it matters? How many times have Birmingham failed in big matches since they returned, be it play off’s or cup finals apart the Wolves victories a couple of weeks ago I can’t remember them winning any crucial meeting either home or away. This "proud" tradition began in 1981 v. Ipswich in the KO Cup Final. Without checking the history books, last night was probably the closest we have come to winning a single tie in a major competition final since 1974! Edited October 16, 2013 by Graham C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirio Barre Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 This "proud" tradition began in 1981 v. Ipswich in the KO Cup Final. Frank Ebdon i was there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Don`t think i have ever seen `blatant disregard for the rules` and `runs a professional business model which a few others may consider following` in the same sentence. I didnt think you would need a 'whooooosh'!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_art Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Sorry to hear that. If you don't mind me asking what was the reason for asking them to stop using air horns? I have no idea if anyone else has answered this so apologies if that is so. It is part of the planning permission to allow speedway at Perry Barr that air horns are not used.since 2007e have had to fight for our lives three times with planning at the council with only the intro of the new silencers saving us on one occasion.this is a very real threat to our continuing. Interestingly not one set of supporters have ever been anything other than understanding of this. Then Poole came to Perry Barr. Despite being asked several times by officials and over the speakers they still blasted there horns. I asked somePoole supporters to please stop and the reply was, and I quote "we don't care you won't be here next year" And this was said as if that was a good thing. I found out after the match that my son politely asked a Poole supporter not to use his air horn and received a torrent of for letter words. Classy! For the record Birmingham will be back in whatever version of speedway there is next year. I also want to say that I am proud of or riders they have given us a season to be proud of. I am also proud of our supporters. That would have been difficult to watch but they never once stopped cheering our lads on. Dignified in defeat. Just to be clear that this is not sour grapes.well done Poole you were the better side when it mattered. I won't be complaining about the play off system.we all knew the rules at the start of the season so don't hesitate to recognise you as EL champions. I can't in all honesty congratulate many (and I do recognise not all) of the Poole fans that attended last night who were in my humble opinion a disgrace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 If you look at the post Shovlar i congratulated Poole riders and the majority of fans just not you or Hornblower. my assessment of your side: Ward - phenomanal talent best rider on show by a mile Jonasson - erratic to say the least had trouble with the track Hancock - looked slow couldnt understand the Pearson/Tatum swooning over him. The guy scored 5 points! Oh and he team rode in the first race! Janowski - enigma gets zero then a win but definatly did his job. Josh - superstar for the last few weeks and basically won Poole the league. Newman - got 5 more than Dyer would have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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