Congratulations El Champions Poole

[Starman2006]

If God was still alive he most probably would live in Poole :-) and be a season ticket holder lol.

 

[Steve0]

If God was still alive he most probably would live in Poole :-) and be a season ticket holder lol.

 

Not content with upsetting speedway fans - you are starting on upsetting the religious types too

[stratton]

 

 

Not content with upsetting speedway fans - you are starting on upsetting the religious types too

It was funny though Steve !

[E I Addio]

Hardly sneering at other clubs, just defending our own through the constant onslaught and repetitive post of Gavan and Brum. Say it once is fine, repeat it is tiresome, repeat it 50 times and it is coma inducing.

 

And that's what we have had this year. The constant childish abuse of Matt Ford as all that is wrong with British Speedway is pathetic and childish.

 

It cuts both ways, Gavan knocking Poole and you and others going the other way and over-egging the pudding, telling us Ford walks on water. To be fair to Gavan, a number of posters have said he makes some good points even if he doesn't always present them well. We seem to have pattern that Gavan makes a point forcefully, Starman as usual misses the thrust of whats being said and defends a different point then the Poolites jump on the band wagon.

 

Then we have these claims that no other promoter works as hard as Matt Ford when you haven't a clue how much other promoters do or don't do. Matt Ford doesn't spend hours on a tractor like Dugard or Chapman for example, so when it comes to workload the truth is you haven't a clue what's involved or what local difficulties other promotions have to deal with, so those sort of cheap shots are as disingenuous as you claim Gavans are. Like I said, tone down the cheap jibes and other fans will likely give Poole a break.

 

Of course I'm 'pro-poole'. I have been for nearly 30 years, sponsored for 26 of them and proud of it. I go to (nearly) every home meeting and some away. That doesn't make me anti-every other club, unless 'fans' of those clubs have a go at something to do with Poole, which is unfair, biased or not down to them.

Many of the things that are currently wrong with the way speedway in UK is run are collectively the responsibility of all those in charge ie the promoters - all of them - and to all those that have this biased notion that Matt Ford somehow has any more influence than any of the others - you are seriously deluded and just mischief-making to the extreme. Any promoter can be outvoted/overruled/taken to task on issues by the majority or by the BSPA MC or SCB who have been elected by their peers, like it or not (and MF hasn't been on the MC for some time).

 

Yes the rules need changing but Poole are no more to blame for them being open to interpretation than any other club. If this is a reflection on the current state of speedway, so be it, but I shall still be 'pro-poole' cos that's who I support.

 

 

You are deflecting the point. The one issue that probably takes up more bandwidth than anything else is the collective shortcomings of the BSPA and nobody is singling out out Ford for special criticism on that front.

 

But consider this=: why do you think there is not thread after thread criticising the likes of Chris Van Stratten or Rick Frost and the rest ? Its not because people are jealous of Poole, its because apart from the collective shortcomings of the BSPA none of the others are constantly on the edge of controversy the way that Ford is.

 

Speedway fans tend to be tribal and support their clubs come what may, Not many are jealous of other clubs success, only irritated by the way it is SOMETIMES (but not always) achieved.

 

I'd hardly class The Know as a jumped up no mark. He's done quite a bit for speedway in the past and has done quite a lot for a young Brit this year. So a little more civility required I think even if you don't agree with any of his posts.

 

 

He might have been a good sponsor but his posts are a bit "Gor Blimey where,s me 'ob nail boots" in tone, and at times deficient in grammar so we can see where Gavan is coming from

Edited October 12, 2013 by E I Addio

[stevebrum]

Because you and Gavan have been going on and on and on and on all season blasting out anti Poole rhetoric. You and Gavan are the worst two on the forum for your never ending, stuck record, anti Poole bias.

 

Just ignore the many others that point out Poole`s tactic`s aren't loved by the rest, as is typical you ignore the blindingly obvious.

Likewise you are the worst poster for trolling and bias pro Poole nonsense that MANY pull you up on. To be fair you probably couldn't list the rest as i`m sure it would be way too long.

 

 

If you replace Stevebrum and Gavan with the words "Shovlar, and Skidder 1"and change the words" anti-Poole" to "Pro Poole" that statement would be just as true.

 

 

If the blue=rinse-tints brigade don't like it, the remedy rests with them. Stop sneering at other clubs and you may well find other fans take a more benevolent view of yours.

 

Well said. It amazes me that those who throw bricks at glass houses take offence when they have bricks thrown back. But i am never surprised.

Skidder1 whilst pro Poole is pretty tame, whilst its really only Shovlar, internetman/PooleQuay7 et al, home straight that give Poole fans a bad name.

Some on here are fine and i tend to find my visits to Poole that most fans are friendly and easy to talk too.

Having met Shov i found a lot of his stuff quite comical till a year ago when i think his forum ego got too big.

What was funny and mildly comical has now become blatant trolling and insulting.

In Poole its what fans do, apparently.

 

 

Hardly sneering at other clubs, just defending our own through the constant onslaught and repetitive post of Gavan and Brum. Say it once is fine, repeat it is tiresome, repeat it 50 times and it is coma inducing.

 

And that's what we have had this year. The constant childish abuse of Matt Ford as all that is wrong with British Speedway is pathetic and childish.

 

You need to read most of your own posts if you want to see a true definition of repetitive/tiresome.

 

Matt Ford has had plenty thrown at him on here by MANY. Too say its pathetic and childish just goes to show just how blinkered you are. When MANY say the same thing, alarms bells would ring unless you have the blue tints over your ears as well as your eyes. But best keep telling yourself that its `just a few on here` that are having a dig at MF. However in the real world MANY MANY fans are unhappy at Poole`s tactics over the recent seasons. Of course feel free to call it `jealousy` if you wish. The vast majority of non Poole fans (who actually care about our EL/British Speedway) will tell you it isnt jealousy that is the emotion felt by so many.

Take the blinkers off for a nano second and take in the general ill ease that Poole and MF generate. I know you wont and i know you will just dismiss this comment.

 

That is the difference, i will try and engage a conversation about why our sport and EL is in the state it is in.

[Pirate Nick]

He might have been a good sponsor but his posts are a bit "Gor Blimey where,s me 'ob nail boots" in tone, and at times deficient in grammar so we can see where Gavan is coming from

 

I see your point, just think Gavan went a little bit over the top and fair play to the bloke he did apologise after. We could do with a few more The Knows across the country though.

[Gavan]

all I ask for sometimes is answers to some of the issues that pop up. trouble is shovlar just cant do that. he avoids all questions and then like a child storms off if he doesn't want to hear it. I get forceful because its people like him that don't help poole. As stevebrum says majority are fine. Now lets see if I get an attacking the poster comment back!

[Gloves]

Whilst not new news it's the lack of clarity and transparency over the running of speedway and the rules that is the real issue. My view on Matt Ford is that he looks at these rules and sees how he can utilise them to the advantage of Poole. Personally I have no issue with this although I would love greater transparency from an independent governance body and a clearer rule book. Guess I can always dream. As for posters on here everyone shows some bias to their own team as it comes with the passion of wanting them to do well. Going to the level of personal insults usually means the poster can't actually win an argument by articulating his/her point properly.

[Tom Turner]

Whilst not new news it's the lack of clarity and transparency over the running of speedway and the rules that is the real issue. My view on Matt Ford is that he looks at these rules and sees how he can utilise them to the advantage of Poole. Personally I have no issue with this although I would love greater transparency from an independent governance body and a clearer rule book. Guess I can always dream. As for posters on here everyone shows some bias to their own team as it comes with the passion of wanting them to do well. Going to the level of personal insults usually means the poster can't actually win an argument by articulating his/her point properly.

 

Brilliant post, and welcome to the forum.

 

You have hit the nail on the head. We already know speedway is a shambles, you might as well show some transparency so we can understand why it has to be this way and what powers or forces are getting in the way of any significant development.

[Trees]

I'm sure the clever ones amongst the promoters could sit down and re write the rules so no "bending" could exist, the trouble is they probably don't want to because it would do away with their advantage!

[stevebrum]

I'm sure the clever ones amongst the promoters could sit down and re write the rules so no "bending" could exist, the trouble is they probably don't want to because it would do away with their advantage!

 

I`m sure MF will insist a little `bending` is allowed, in the best interest of Poole Speedway of course.

[Bagpuss]

Never really understood why peterborough dont get bigger crowds, I know there is football in the city but you have one of the best tracks and good facilities.

 

The football club had an average gate of less than 10k last year in the Championship and is running at just under 7k this season despite winning games and sitting second in the table.

 

For the size of the city (and while accepting the surrounding area is reasonably sparsely populated) the crowds that both the FC and speedway get seem low, just seems to me that going to watch live sport isn't high on the agenda of Peterborough people for whatever reason. Would be interesting if somebody in the know could comment on the Ice Hockey team's crowds and how they compare to other clubs.

 

My guess would be the cultural and ethnic diversity of the people who live in Peterborough.

Edited October 13, 2013 by Bagpuss

[SteveLyric2]

Then we have these claims that no other promoter works as hard as Matt Ford when you haven't a clue how much other promoters do or don't do. Matt Ford doesn't spend hours on a tractor like Dugard or Chapman for example, so when it comes to workload the truth is you haven't a clue what's involved or what local difficulties other promotions have to deal with,

 

 

 

You are deflecting the point. The one issue that probably takes up more bandwidth than anything else is the collective shortcomings of the BSPA and nobody is singling out out Ford for special criticism on that front.

 

But consider this=: why do you think there is not thread after thread criticising the likes of Chris Van Stratten or Rick Frost and the rest ? Its not because people are jealous of Poole, its because apart from the collective shortcomings of the BSPA none of the others are constantly on the edge of controversy the way that Ford is.

 

Speedway fans tend to be tribal and support their clubs come what may, Not many are jealous of other clubs success, only irritated by the way it is SOMETIMES (but not always) achieved.

 

 

'Nobody is singling out Matt Ford on that front'?? Really?? Are you serious? You've only got to read some of the posts on the last couple of pages of this thread, let alone the others!!

 

Also, just as a matter of interest, whilst I agree all promoters have their own 'local situations', the knack of being a GOOD promoter is to create a management team around you with a range of skills, business sense and experience to cover the majority of eventualities!

 

In addition to the current Poole promotion, I also know and have worked with promoters (past and present) at 3 other tracks, so maybe I might have a little more knowledge and experience about what happens (has happened) at some other tracks, than just Poole.

 

Finally about 'no other clubs getting thread after thread of criticism' - I seem to recall the Panthers, Robins, and Belle Vue promotions all coming in for some stick earlier in the season - some valid, some not, imo, but with Poole it does seem that EVERY thread has the same/similar comments from the same/similar posters whether it is relevant to the topic of that thread or not! As I said a few days ago to Gavan, if he hates MF that much then start a thread specific to that topic rather than repeat the same stuff over and over across all Poole threads.

 

 

EDITED - ...and as if by magic, post#171 illustrates my point exactly!!

Edited October 13, 2013 by Skidder1

[Steve Shovlar]

I`m sure MF will insist a little `bending` is allowed, in the best interest of Poole Speedway of course.

 

You see why I included you when I mentioned Gavan?

 

Another trolling post from you. You just can't help yourself.

[Mini Jack]

 

 

I`m sure MF will insist a little `bending` is allowed, in the best interest of Poole Speedway of course.

 

Couldn't resist yet another dig eh? Emoticon or not, as predictable as ever. In fact the emoticon makes you look even more pathetic and more like a WUM.

 

Every promoter is guilty of rule bending (even your beloved CVS), surely this is the bigger problem? The fact that Poole and Ford gain as much as it may seem they do surely is testament to them? It doesn't make it right and we don't have to like it, however it seems to be the way at the minute and they are best at it.

 

Until the running of the sport is placed into the hands of someone without a vested interest, back biting and sniping will be around for years to come. It will be the only way to avoid conspiracy, jealousy and any thought of wrong doing from all corners.

 

(Must add my congratulations to Poole following the demolition job carried out last Monday. Hopefully we can put up a fight, but we will come up short. Proud of the team for the season we have had but a mixture of nerves and coming up against a power performance put paid to any hope of being champions)

 

It is a shame that my last comment above seems to be secondary to the index argument isn't it.

[stevebrum]

You see why I included you when I mentioned Gavan?

 

Another trolling post from you. You just can't help yourself.

 

I just follow your lead as you are the master of trolling, likewise you can never help yourself either can you.

 

It was a light hearted dig, but just saying what the vast majority of non Poole fans think.

Yea that was another light hearted dig but of course its just Poole bashing or trolling in your words (perfectly exampled by 99% of Shovlar`s posts).

You have to wonder why the usual blinkered Poole fans bite all the time, it must be getting to them knowing the rest arent a fan of MF and his `all things Poole` ways.

 

As expected you respond to this sort of post but ignore the ones asking you to debate for a change. Again says more about your trolling nature than anything else Steve.

 

Couldn't resist yet another dig eh? Emoticon or not, as predictable as ever. In fact the emoticon makes you look even more pathetic and more like a WUM.

 

 

WUM? Some sort of Perry Barr code?

[Mini Jack]

 

 

I just follow your lead as you are the master of trolling, likewise you can never help yourself either can you.

 

It was a light hearted dig, but just saying what the vast majority of non Poole fans think.

Yea that was another light hearted dig but of course its just Poole bashing or trolling in your words (perfectly exampled by 99% of Shovlar`s posts).

You have to wonder why the usual blinkered Poole fans bite all the time, it must be getting to them knowing the rest arent a fan of MF and his `all things Poole` ways.

 

As expected you respond to this sort of post but ignore the ones asking you to debate for a change. Again says more about your trolling nature than anything else Steve.

 

 

 

WUM? Some sort of Perry Barr code?

 

Wind up merchant? Did they not explain abbreviation in the land of dingle when you were a nipper?

[stevebrum]

Wind up merchant? Did they not explain abbreviation in the land of dingle when you were a nipper?

 

You are slow on the uptake aren't you. The Brum part of my name indicates i was born in Brum, Great Barr - but guess i take your point since you point it out.

[Gloves]

Thanks Synikalle its good to join, have followed speedway all my life and read comments on this forum for around 2 years so know the wind ups that go on which I will just ignore. Do enjoy the posts with views and substance. Also think having a separate page for continual rants about the same thing is a great idea. It is funny how some posters try to stereotype others as if they have nothing better to do.

[orion]

You are slow on the uptake aren't you. The Brum part of my name indicates i was born in Brum, Great Barr - but guess i take your point since you point it out.

:rofl: whoosh .