Gavan Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 It's not tripe - it's fact! Maybe down in Dorset, the crowds have been maintained or increased but everywhere else they have declined at an alarming rate. Of course we could all take the Poole approach and bury our heads in the sand but, in the real worild, some urgent attention needs to be given to this. Even the diehards are deserting the sport - you might need to take off your blue-tinted specs to see it though you wont get through to them. they are like the child in the playground with a finger in each ear going blah blah blah while evryone around them trys tp make them listen. Usually that child in the playground has his eyes shut as well when the child opens his eyes he realises because he couldnt hear everyone has gone and not playing with him anymore. I love how you play the 'self appointed moderator' card when it suits you. The post you refer to is actually 100% spot on in my eyes. Shovlar does have this wonderful way of attacking posters, ive been called a clown and had the clown icn, been called a troll and other stuff to. yet if anyone says anything against him he goes off kicking and screaming to the mods. the man is pure comedy gold 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 It's not tripe - it's fact! Maybe down in Dorset, the crowds have been maintained or increased but everywhere else they have declined at an alarming rate. Of course we could all take the Poole approach ........... and start to promote the sport properly so people come through the doors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Which plenty of promotions already do. Arrogant to think that Poole are the only ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 It's not tripe - it's fact! Maybe down in Dorset, the crowds have been maintained or increased but everywhere else they have declined at an alarming rate. Of course we could all take the Poole approach and bury our heads in the sand but, in the real world, some urgent attention needs to be given to this. Even the diehards are deserting the sport - you might need to take off your blue-tinted specs to see it though If it is as bad as you say why would leicester be still wanting to join the elite league, most tracks i have visited this season have been reasonably well attended, when poole went to coventry in july it was packed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Which plenty of promotions already do. Arrogant to think that Poole are the only ones. however the recession has hit some areas harder than the relatively affluent south of England. Whats the rate of unemployment in Poole, Wimborne, Christchurch compared to Redcar, Gateshead, Workington, etc bollox to them though, eh? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 however the recession has hit some areas harder than the relatively affluent south of England. Whats the rate of unemployment in Poole, Wimborne, Christchurch compared to Redcar, Gateshead, Workington, etc bollox to them though, eh? its the product thats the problem. stop stereotyping the north. And im a southerner. When speedway was booming who were the big clubs, the Belle Vues, Coventrys, Birmingham Poole have recently become the biggest club and because you are successful have a pop at others. touch of class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 What tripe ! So to take that argument to its logical conclusion, you are saying that if Lakeside had not complained about Eddie Kennets illegal silencer two years ago that would somehh justify what Kennet did? I could say the say thing to some of your blinkered lot who bang on that Poole are only disliked by a few. But we know that record will carry on being played. Keep it going, wont change were in the final and looks like were WIN As long as you win it at all costs that's alright, do you ever think of the bigger picture.?Maybe in a few years you will riding against yourselves A,B and C teams everyone else falling into extinction.The annoying thing is without all your promotions dirty tricks win at all costs mentality ( Balls to the sport as a whole) you would of won trophies anyway don't forget you need opposition to ride against in the future.! Poole will always survive, its the others need put their house in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Keep it going, wont change were in the final and looks like were WIN Poole will always survive, its the others need put their house in order. as much as some clubs are in trouble its a bold statement to say that. poole in the late 80's early 90's werent in a very healthy position so dont get to blase. Irony is that Matt Ford has promoted Poole speedway very well so that financially they are sound but its also his promotion that could leave Poole with nobody to ride against Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 I am on about certain incidents that have put a stain on the sport over a long period..Your club for me as great a club as it is are not up there with the great Belle Vue sides, Cradley and the Olsen Coventry sides because they're is a huge feeling from at least 50 per cent of the supporters that theyre has been some dubious decisions over the years. So you think dodgy things never went on in the car coat era. Wake up and smell the coffee It's not tripe - it's fact! Maybe down in Dorset, the crowds have been maintained or increased but everywhere else they have declined at an alarming rate. Of course we could all take the Poole approach and bury our heads in the sand but, in the real world, some urgent attention needs to be given to this. Even the diehards are deserting the sport - you might need to take off your blue-tinted specs to see it though Tell your useless promoters then not us. Like any company they need to go out and find sponsors and new fans as all in bussness do. Or just sit on ya bum do nothing and wonder why no one turns up. You get out what you put in and sadly most promoters do very little. however the recession has hit some areas harder than the relatively affluent south of England. Whats the rate of unemployment in Poole, Wimborne, Christchurch compared to Redcar, Gateshead, Workington, etc bollox to them though, eh? We did have one or two unemployed down here but Matt took them on to clear up Roscoes tissues Its a BIG job as much as some clubs are in trouble its a bold statement to say that. poole in the late 80's early 90's werent in a very healthy position so dont get to blase. Irony is that Matt Ford has promoted Poole speedway very well so that financially they are sound but its also his promotion that could leave Poole with nobody to ride against You are right but since Matt took over the club has run well. Yes things can change in the future who knows but i dont think they will short term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 its the product thats the problem. stop stereotyping the north. And im a southerner. When speedway was booming who were the big clubs, the Belle Vues, Coventrys, Birmingham Poole have recently become the biggest club and because you are successful have a pop at others. touch of class i am certainly not stereotyping the north - i am a proud northerner and i can assure you we have been crapped on by a government we never vote for. There is almost certainly less disposable income up here and these whippets cost a bomb. And have you seen the price of flat caps lately? Coventry and Birmingham are in the midlands as it happens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 This match was won by the Manager who was willing to GO BIG to go forward. The signing of Hancock was a master stroke and is the reason why Poole flew up the league to reach the play-offs! Birmingham method of cost cutting, or saving money has built them a good team but a team that has stood still over the season and everyone else has got better. I wouldnt be paying £20 to watch 15 unnessary heats from a Brummies Point of view and would use it as a bit of a protest of what a shocking display it was a week ago. I have a soft spot for the Brummies as i watched them last year but from the start of season of changing the race night just so they could get Barker to ride to his failed signing to the constant moaning by the management about the state of how things are is boring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJCullip14 Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 This match was won by the Manager who was willing to GO BIG to go forward. The signing of Hancock was a master stroke and is the reason why Poole flew up the league to reach the play-offs! Birmingham method of cost cutting, or saving money has built them a good team but a team that has stood still over the season and everyone else has got better. I wouldnt be paying £20 to watch 15 unnessary heats from a Brummies Point of view and would use it as a bit of a protest of what a shocking display it was a week ago. I have a soft spot for the Brummies as i watched them last year but from the start of season of changing the race night just so they could get Barker to ride to his failed signing to the constant moaning by the management about the state of how things are is boring. They got into the Play-Offs by doing whatever they wanted to with no punishment. I agree with your point about paying £20 to watch 15 unnecessary Heats. I hope that the fans will turn up in numbers for the 2nd Leg as Birmingham deserve it for there superb effort this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 So you think dodgy things never went on in the car coat era. Wake up and smell the coffee Tell your useless promoters then not us. Like any company they need to go out and find sponsors and new fans as all in bussness do. Or just sit on ya bum do nothing and wonder why no one turns up. You get out what you put in and sadly most promoters do very little. We did have one or two unemployed down here but Matt took them on to clear up Roscoes tissues Its a BIG job You are right but since Matt took over the club has run well. Yes things can change in the future who knows but i dont think they will short term. Your arrogance holds no bounds! What a surprise you sponsor Poole! I think some promoters are doing a good job in getting new sponsors despite the recession but to get sponsors (and people to come and see it) you need an attractive product and I think that is the main reason why people are drifting away. Its absolutely great for you and Poole that you have great crowds down Dorset way but surely you can see that crowds are down massively around the country? Continue with the "We're alright Jack" approach and despite having a large fan base, you might find you have no one to race against. Speedway has historically found it difficult to attract new fans (probably doesn't help that clubs like yours charge £3-5 to let children in - but down your way its the blue-rinse brigade that swells the numbers - at least for now) and now it is seeing even the die-hard fans leaving. At Swindon I used to stand with a crowd of about 8-10 of us and most of those are now lost to speedway - even in our championship winning year they were drifting away in large numbers - that tells me it is the product that is wrong! It's not all doom and gloom though as Poole are doing well and you are associated with a soon to be championship winning side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Your arrogance holds no bounds! What a surprise you sponsor Poole! I think some promoters are doing a good job in getting new sponsors despite the recession but to get sponsors (and people to come and see it) you need an attractive product and I think that is the main reason why people are drifting away. Its absolutely great for you and Poole that you have great crowds down Dorset way but surely you can see that crowds are down massively around the country? Continue with the "We're alright Jack" approach and despite having a large fan base, you might find you have no one to race against. Speedway has historically found it difficult to attract new fans (probably doesn't help that clubs like yours charge £3-5 to let children in - but down your way its the blue-rinse brigade that swells the numbers - at least for now) and now it is seeing even the die-hard fans leaving. At Swindon I used to stand with a crowd of about 8-10 of us and most of those are now lost to speedway - even in our championship winning year they were drifting away in large numbers - that tells me it is the product that is wrong! It's not all doom and gloom though as Poole are doing well and you are associated with a soon to be championship winning side Arrogance ! Look at the people in charge past companies which are no more at swindon, last few years not being able to pay wages ? if they cant run a normal one how will they do at speedway. i am no sponsor of Poole and havnt been since 2003, yes did the final but that dooes not make me a big sponsor there at the moment. if you look you will see i said to put prices down for the final and all under 15 to go free. I really feel under 15 shoiuld always be free and adult prices slashed. Speedway is mostly attended by those on average wages and the cheaper it is the more will go. I do have a bit of savvy and i would work on high numbers low cost if i was in speedway but promoters look at what they will lose and not gain. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Your arrogance holds no bounds! What a surprise you sponsor Poole! I think some promoters are doing a good job in getting new sponsors despite the recession but to get sponsors (and people to come and see it) you need an attractive product and I think that is the main reason why people are drifting away. Its absolutely great for you and Poole that you have great crowds down Dorset way but surely you can see that crowds are down massively around the country? Continue with the "We're alright Jack" approach and despite having a large fan base, you might find you have no one to race against. Speedway has historically found it difficult to attract new fans (probably doesn't help that clubs like yours charge £3-5 to let children in - but down your way its the blue-rinse brigade that swells the numbers - at least for now) and now it is seeing even the die-hard fans leaving. At Swindon I used to stand with a crowd of about 8-10 of us and most of those are now lost to speedway - even in our championship winning year they were drifting away in large numbers - that tells me it is the product that is wrong! It's not all doom and gloom though as Poole are doing well and you are associated with a soon to be championship winning side Dont forget most other clubs in the elite are competing against other sports in the area and speedway is a minor sport. My own club Ipswich have obviously football and stock cars. i regularly used to stand at Foxhall with 3 guys who had season tickets for Ipswich Town. As prices rise for both football and speedway they had to make a chioce and now dont go speedway anymore. Manchester, Coventry, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Swindon all have bigger sports in the town then speedway. this is a major reason why supporters are lost they cant afford to do everything. Poole has nothing else .....well apart from a few luvvies sipping champers in the harbour. Must be easier to promote Poole Speedway then a lot of other clubs, and yes you still need a good side and Matt Ford by fair means and foul gives the fans that. This match was won by the Manager who was willing to GO BIG to go forward. The signing of Hancock was a master stroke and is the reason why Poole flew up the league to reach the play-offs! Birmingham method of cost cutting, or saving money has built them a good team but a team that has stood still over the season and everyone else has got better. I wouldnt be paying £20 to watch 15 unnessary heats from a Brummies Point of view and would use it as a bit of a protest of what a shocking display it was a week ago. I have a soft spot for the Brummies as i watched them last year but from the start of season of changing the race night just so they could get Barker to ride to his failed signing to the constant moaning by the management about the state of how things are is boring. Think you will find it was Matt Ford who got Greg not Middlo The reason Poole started their charge up the table was when Darcy got injured and rider like THJ Josh and Pawlicki were bought in. Greg came in for the current World Champion so dont think you can say Greg alone got them in as Holder would undoubtedly have scored very well. Fair play to Ford for getting a world class rider. However Greg was responsible in the farce at Belle Vue for being sublime and ultimatly his performance that nigh got you in the play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 "if you look you will see i said to put prices down for the final and all under 15 to go free. I really feel under 15 shoiuld always be free and adult prices slashed. Speedway is mostly attended by those on average wages and the cheaper it is the more will go. I do have a bit of savvy and i would work on high numbers low cost if i was in speedway but promoters look at what they will lose and not gain." great post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Not many other than the most avid Poole fans will feel any joy at this outcome, and jealousy does not come into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) Dont forget most other clubs in the elite are competing against other sports in the area and speedway is a minor sport. My own club Ipswich have obviously football and stock cars. i regularly used to stand at Foxhall with 3 guys who had season tickets for Ipswich Town. As prices rise for both football and speedway they had to make a chioce and now dont go speedway anymore. Manchester, Coventry, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Swindon all have bigger sports in the town then speedway. this is a major reason why supporters are lost they cant afford to do everything. Poole has nothing else .....well apart from a few luvvies sipping champers in the harbour. Must be easier to promote Poole Speedway then a lot of other clubs, and yes you still need a good side and Matt Ford by fair means and foul gives the fans that. Think you will find it was Matt Ford who got Greg not Middlo The reason Poole started their charge up the table was when Darcy got injured and rider like THJ Josh and Pawlicki were bought in. Greg came in for the current World Champion so dont think you can say Greg alone got them in as Holder would undoubtedly have scored very well. Fair play to Ford for getting a world class rider. However Greg was responsible in the farce at Belle Vue for being sublime and ultimatly his performance that nigh got you in the play offs. Matt Ford knows how much he can earn from a packed Wimborne road in the play offs and Greg was the only viable option so he had to get him. Poole speedway may be the biggest sport in Poole but Bournemouth isn't far away and they do have a football team too.I imagine Birmingham and Belle Vue have the most issues with competion from football as they have two clubs in close proximity. Edited October 11, 2013 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Not many other than the most avid Poole fans will feel any joy at this outcome, and jealousy does not come into it. Not many other than the most avid Poole fans will feel any joy at this outcome, and jealousy does not come into it. And why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Matt Ford knows how much he can earn from a packed Wimborne road in the play offs and Greg was the only viable option so he had to get him. As I pointed out on another thread, Greg was only there because he lost his team place in Poland and needed a job. Philip Rising has said elsewhere on the forum that its highly unlikely that Greg was on a better deal than Holder so he was just fortunate that a top rider became available just at the time Ford needed one. Can't complain about him getting Greg but its not really a case of "he had to get him" . the deal practically fell into his lap. As we have both said before, you need luck to succeed in any sport and once Holder was injured getting Greg was Matt's lucky break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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