Guest Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) To Mr Negative: BBC Breakfast on Wednesday, I believe. Why aren't you just pleased for the guy and for the sport? That's a bit vague for a programme that starts at 6am - if the guy was on last it would mean hours of boredom. Plus having to get up early to watch from the start. Even then it seems uncertain that he will be on anyway on Wednesday. In any case, I have personally met quite a few of the old world champions so it's not anything out of the ordinary any way just to watch a TV interview. Edited October 7, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 That's a bit vague for a programme that starts at 6am - if the guy was on last it would mean hours of boredom. Plus having to get up early to watch from the start. Even then it seems uncertain that he will be on anyway on Wednesday. In any case, I have personally met quite a few of the old world champions so it's not anything out of the ordinary any way just to watch a TV interview. He'll be on whilst I am eating my Porage gustix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 He'll be on whilst I am eating my Porage gustix. But it's not positive judging by the original Post as to what time Tai Woffinden will be on TV on Wednesday. It could be three hours or so of wasted time if he's not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 As you don't appear to think comes over well why are you worried? Just asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) As you don't appear to think comes over well why are you worried? Just asking. I assume this was meant for me? Tai Woffinden does not grip personaltywise in the way world champions like Ove Fundin, Barry Briggs, Ronnie Moore, Anders Michanek, Tommy Price for example did - they call it charisma. You cannot create persona - it's a natural things and the names I mention had this. I don't dispute Tai Woffinden seems a nice guy - and I applaud his charity bike ride earlier in the year. But I can't place him on the same "admiration pedestal" as the four world champions I mention - and other greats although not world champs but riders with persona for example like Vic Duggan, Jack Parker Ron Johnson for a few more. Edited October 8, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 You are entitled to your opinion, but he is still very young, much younger than those you mentioned I believe, so give him a chance and stop being so negative. Things in speedway are so negative* and annoying at present any glimpse of light should be welcomed. * insert any other word you deem appropriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) I assume this was meant for me? Tai Woffinden does not grip personaltywise in the way world champions like Ove Fundin, Barry Briggs, Ronnie Moore, Anders Michanek, Tommy Price for example did - they call it charisma. You cannot create persona - it's a natural things and the names I mention had this. I don't dispute Tai Woffinden seems a nice guy - and I applaud his charity bike ride earlier in the year. But I can't place him on the same "admiration pedestal" as the four world champions I mention - and other greats although not world champs but riders with persona for example like Vic Duggan, Jack Parker Ron Johnson for a few more. You are entitled to your opinion, but he is still very young, much younger than those you mentioned I believe, so give him a chance and stop being so negative. Things in speedway are so negative* and annoying at present any glimpse of light should be welcomed. * insert any other word you deem appropriate Ronnie Moore was just 21 years old when he won the world title in 1954. Moore was 19 when he won the London Riders Championship in 1952 (in those days the LRC was a prestige event). You can't get much younger than that but I don't think without bothering to research that either Barry Briggs or Peter Craven were oldies when they won their first world titles. England's reputed greatest ever rider - and I can't argue with that - was 21 when he won his first world title in 1955. 1954 and 1955 - both years had 21 year old world champions. Edited October 8, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 I guess you have evidence they were buzzing with charisma at such a young age? Or did the charisma come with experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 I sit corrected. I'm too young to remember Moore or Craven but never thought of Briggs as having any charisma. Fundin, all I know is his reputation went before him and I was lucky enough to see him ride a couple of times, even making the trek from Norfolk to Belle Vue just to watch him. It wasn't his charisma that made me do that it was his reputation as a rider. It's a totally different world today. Instant news, social media, mic stuck under your nose as you come off the track (or field) which I can't remember happening so much when I was a youngster so probably even less in the days of Moore/Craven/Briggs/Fundin. I still say that Woffinden came across well, especially in comparison with much of todays youth (sorry for the generalisation). No doubt he will undertake more coaching or training in the art of media as time goes on as nowadays it is essential and he seems to have his head very much screwed on. At least where he is concerned my glass is half full, I only wish I could say the same about the sport in general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Blimey, we've got a British World Champion and Gustix still isn't happy. All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Vic Duggan and Ron Johnson had charisma and Tai Woffinden doesnt? Dixie Dean, he had charisma, not like that plank Ronaldo dear oh dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Vic Duggan and Ron Johnson had charisma and Tai Woffinden doesnt? Dixie Dean, he had charisma, not like that plank Ronaldo dear oh dear And unless Gustix is around 90 years old, how does he know? Vic Duggan was at his peak 65 years ago, Ron Johnson was at his peak even before that. Woffinden does appeal to the younger generation - he's in with the current trends. And for the older generations, he's a polite and well-spoken young man. I think he has the potential to make a very good World Champion. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 And unless Gustix is around 90 years old, how does he know? Vic Duggan was at his peak 65 years ago, Ron Johnson was at his peak even before that. Woffinden does appeal to the younger generation - he's in with the current trends. And for the older generations, he's a polite and well-spoken young man. I think he has the potential to make a very good World Champion. All the best Rob I must say that I am not keen on his Tattoos and Piercings ( his choice - I'm from a different generation I think) - but apart from that he seems to be a very pleasant and personable young man. I think he did very well in his interviews considering his age and experience. His Mum, Girl Friend and his Dad too, if he was looking down on him, should be extremely PROUD of him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) I guess you have evidence they were buzzing with charisma at such a young age? Or did the charisma come with experience. I know the charisma was there. I was involved with most of them. 'Nuff said. Vic Duggan and Ron Johnson had charisma and Tai Woffinden doesnt? Dixie Dean, he had charisma, not like that plank Ronaldo dear oh dear I don't know about Dixie Dean but certainly do know about Vic Duggan and Ron Johnson. They were my speedway era. Fans used to flock after them following meetings - and that was in the days of 20,000-plus crowds at the London tracks. And Ronaldo - why name him, he's nothing to do with speedway. And unless Gustix is around 90 years old, how does he know? Vic Duggan was at his peak 65 years ago, Ron Johnson was at his peak even before that. Woffinden does appeal to the younger generation - he's in with the current trends. And for the older generations, he's a polite and well-spoken young man. I think he has the potential to make a very good World Champion. All the best Rob I first saw Vic Duggan ride for Harringay at New Cross - along with his brother Ray and another fine Australian star Frank Dolan in May 1947. And Johnson was very much a king-pin from when I first saw him ride at New Cross in early April 1946. I don't dispute that Tai Woffinden will be a good world champion - but to me, despite his riding ability he doesn't seem to have the needed oomph they call personality. It's no good surrounding one's self with personality/publicity makers because if that persons lacks charisma nothing will bring it out. Edited October 8, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Blimey gustix - you are older than me. :shock: We have to give Tai a chance - as I said earlier he seems a nice young chap and he will mature with age and experience, as will his charisma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 To be fair with Tai, his energy goes into his racing and obviously not out of his gob. I know the charisma was there. I was involved with most of them. 'Nuff said. Yeah yeah yeah.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinht Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 according to twitter he'll be on at about 7.35am..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) I guess you have evidence they were buzzing with charisma at such a young age? Or did the charisma come with experience. I know the charisma was there. I was involved with most of them. 'Nuff said. To be fair with Tai, his energy goes into his racing and obviously not out of his gob. Yeah yeah yeah.... Permit me to smile Deano. Charisma is not about talking - it's about personality that reflects itself in an extra pinnacle of talent and that's a natural thing. The old-timers I mentioned all had this - one felt a magic in their presence. They didn't talk about themselves as being greats - they proved it as the record books evidence. Their achievements won them regular respect in the National, local and speedway press. One example - Jack Parker was such a great rider and personality the National press - not just one paper - always used to refer to him as 'Peerless' Parker. The other were equally acclaimed. As you so rightly put it - Yeah yeah yeah. Again I will say that riderwise Tai Woffinden could well be a great world champion. As it stands, in my opinion, that does not appear it is going to be reflected as a mega personality. For a modern example equate him as a personality compared to the "magical Pole" Tomasz Gollob. Edited October 8, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Permit me to smile Deano. Charisma is not about talking - it's about personality that reflects itself in an extra pinnacle of talent and that's a natural thing. The old-timers I mentioned all had this - one felt a magic in their presence. They didn't talk about themselves as being greats - they proved it as the record books evidence. Their achievements won them regular respect in the National, local and speedway press. One example - Jack Parker was such a great rider and personality the National press - not just one paper - always used to refer to him as 'Peerless' Parker. The other were equally acclaimed. As you so rightly put it - Yeah yeah yeah. Again I will say that riderwise Tai Woffinden could well be a great world champion. As it stands, in my opinion, that does not appear it is going to be reflected as a mega personality. For a modern example equate him as a personality compared to the "magical Pole" Tomasz Gollob. Terrible example. Why not compare Tai with the personality of Havvy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Again I will say that riderwise Tai Woffinden could well be a great world champion. As it stands, in my opinion, that does not appear it is going to be reflected as a mega personality. For a modern example equate him as a personality compared to the "magical Pole" Tomasz Gollob. Terrible example. Why not compare Tai with the personality of Havvy. That's interesting Tsunami. Can you explain please why I should make the comparison you suggest? Whenever I check a GP result the first names I look for are Tomasz Gollob and Emil Sayfutdinov. Charisma draws me to them. Edited October 8, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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