Steve0 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hearing a big whisper that Doyle has had his visa turned down and BSPA not backing him Oh dear - not good if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hearing a big whisper that Doyle has had his visa turned down and BSPA not backing him That'll be about right as it's not as if Jason has rode in Britain for many seasons & always gave his best is it!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennylion Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 That'll be about right as it's not as if Jason has rode in Britain for many seasons & always gave his best is it!!. As daft as it sounds, would it not suit the BSPA though. Doyle out may mean that Somerset can offer Morris a place after all and so stops all the legal posturing about Sheffield/Swindon etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I heard that Doyle's permit ran out in November and he didn't renew in time which is why the new visa hasn't been granted. If so i guess the 1 year cooling off period then applies. As Glennylion points out if Doyle is not going to get a permit then the double whammy for Leicester is that the Morris problem is then solved by him replacing Doyle at Somerset and staying at Swindon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lion Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 ...As Glennylion points out if Doyle is not going to get a permit then the double whammy for Leicester is that the Morris problem is then solved by him replacing Doyle at Somerset and staying at Swindon.Which leaves us with 13.26 to fill with two other riders. There are still plenty of riders available up to around 5.50, but not many above the 7.50 mark who we might realistically hope to sign. Morris and Sundstrom just fit. So would Freddie Lindgren and Lasse Bjerre. Our Saturday racenight which apparently made us such a desirable club to race for in the PL is severely restricting us in the EL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I heard that Doyle's permit ran out in November and he didn't renew in time which is why the new visa hasn't been granted. If so i guess the 1 year cooling off period then applies. As Glennylion points out if Doyle is not going to get a permit then the double whammy for Leicester is that the Morris problem is then solved by him replacing Doyle at Somerset and staying at Swindon. If that's true then I guess Jason really has only himself to blame as it has happened to Aussies before & Troy Batchelor said he had to stay in Britain till December to make sure he was ok. Guess Jason wanted to get home to the sun as soon as he could but a real shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I heard that Doyle's permit ran out in November and he didn't renew in time which is why the new visa hasn't been granted. If so i guess the 1 year cooling off period then applies. As Glennylion points out if Doyle is not going to get a permit then the double whammy for Leicester is that the Morris problem is then solved by him replacing Doyle at Somerset and staying at Swindon. It puzzles me..... Who bares the responsibility of ensuring the Visa is renewed?? I always assumed that was down to the clubs to ensure that had the Visa`s in place? If doyley has allowed it to run out knowing what he knows about all the issues some of the Oz boys faced last season you would ensure that you wouldn't let it lapse yourself?? If he hasn't renewed it in time i can only see a year out, no other way round it. It isn't like the BSPA and the Oz riders didn't know about it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennylion Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Whilst this is poor planning from Doyle, potentially very sensible from DH not to complete the line up. I would assume that Doyle's situation was known when he signed and so by keeping the last rider clear can give options. Whilst I am happy with the line up and the inclusion of Doyle in particular, I was disappointed that there was no room for one of last years team. If Doyle can't get a Visa that would give us a chance to include Bjerre, Doolan, Nemo or MK and have a potential bigger hitter as a No 1. If DH has left rider 5 blank as a cover option, then he would have had 6 weeks or so to assess what is available. When will the situation regarding Doyle be finalised? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lion Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Whilst this is poor planning from Doyle, potentially very sensible from DH not to complete the line up. I would assume that Doyle's situation was known when he signed and so by keeping the last rider clear can give options. Whilst I am happy with the line up and the inclusion of Doyle in particular, I was disappointed that there was no room for one of last years team. If Doyle can't get a Visa that would give us a chance to include Bjerre, Doolan, Nemo or MK and have a potential bigger hitter as a No 1. If DH has left rider 5 blank as a cover option, then he would have had 6 weeks or so to assess what is available. When will the situation regarding Doyle be finalised? I'm just wondering where all these big hitters are, the ones who haven't already been snapped up by other teams, or haven't ruled themselves out of racing in the UK, or have other commitments that prevent them racing regularly for a Saturday track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I'm just wondering where all these big hitters are, the ones who haven't already been snapped up by other teams, or haven't ruled themselves out of racing in the UK, or have other commitments that prevent them racing regularly for a Saturday track. It just about sums up our luck really :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lion Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 It just about sums up our luck really :-( Some would say you make your own luck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 It just about sums up our luck really :-( Surely your promotion knew that Doyle may have an invalid Visa before signing him tho?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Surely your promotion knew that Doyle may have an invalid Visa before signing him tho?? Doesn't really matter does it. Still have the problem of finding a replacement. Also Somerset signed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Surely your promotion knew that Doyle may have an invalid Visa before signing him tho?? I'm a glass half fall kind of person so I'd like to think not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Whilst this is poor planning from Doyle, potentially very sensible from DH not to complete the line up. I would assume that Doyle's situation was known when he signed and so by keeping the last rider clear can give options. Whilst I am happy with the line up and the inclusion of Doyle in particular, I was disappointed that there was no room for one of last years team. If Doyle can't get a Visa that would give us a chance to include Bjerre, Doolan, Nemo or MK and have a potential bigger hitter as a No 1. If DH has left rider 5 blank as a cover option, then he would have had 6 weeks or so to assess what is available. When will the situation regarding Doyle be finalised? Declaring a foreign rider in a team, when that rider does not have the required permit at the time of the declaration, is against BSPA rules and if the rumours about Doyle are true, Leicester could potentially get their wrists slapped - and claiming ignorance is not acceptable, the club has a responsibility to ensure they know for certain about a rider's status, even though the rider could have been personally negligient. The same will therefore apply to Somerset. But at least they can re-instate Morris, if he wants to return there of course after the way he was treated (innocent victim of incompetence). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Declaring a foreign rider in a team, when that rider does not have the required permit at the time of the declaration, is against BSPA rules and if the rumours about Doyle are true, Leicester could potentially get their wrists slapped - and claiming ignorance is not acceptable, the club has a responsibility to ensure they know for certain about a rider's status, even though the rider could have been personally negligient. The same will therefore apply to Somerset. But at least they can re-instate Morris, if he wants to return there of course after the way he was treated (innocent victim of incompetence).Incorrect he would need a job before he could apply for a Visa BSPA need to revisit their procedures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Incorrect he would need a job before he could apply for a Visa BSPA need to revisit their procedures Well I;m just taking from what it says on the BSPA website. Surely a job can be offered & accepted first, then get the visa, then be delcared in the team is the sequence? Well I;m just taking from what it says on the BSPA website. Surely a job can be offered & accepted first, then get the visa, then be delcared in the team is the sequence? .....the job offer in this case having been with Somerset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Well I;m just taking from what it says on the BSPA website. Surely a job can be offered & accepted first, then get the visa, then be delcared in the team is the sequence? .....the job offer in this case having been with Somerset It's all very sad if you ask me. If they hadn't announced it till now the supporters of both clubs would have had their promoters in stocks by now you need to announce who your number 1 is going to be alternatively not offer him a job at all and the BSPA's rules don't seem to be all that helpful. Maybe promoters will be more diligent next year. The rules on Visas have just recently change and we appear to have been caught out. Having said that. I am going to wait for the official line rather than 'whispers' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Does anybody no if there is any truth in the rumor that Alan Jones is giving up his post as the co promoter Alan Jones appears to still be a co-promoter on 21st Jan as he is quoted on the Leicester web site. Incorrect he would need a job before he could apply for a Visa BSPA need to revisit their procedures Jason Doyle stated in Speedway Star that he had no team place when his visa ran out therefore he couldn't renew it. Edited January 21, 2014 by Fanmale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 The country is over-crowded as it is, Bend the rules for Doyle and you will need to bend them for thousands more. Sorry Jason but you can re-apply again next year. Failure to prepare, prepare to fail 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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