TMW Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 It can't be bad first season in the EL and they have arleady upset Swindon, with talk of bringing in Nick Morris. To top it all now they may be crossing swords with Poole. Lets hope they get NM and put one over them all after all a speedway rider is a free enterty and can go whre he wants, when it biols down to things. It would make a good team with Nick Morris and Jason Doyle. Lets hope he soon get that visa soeted out or the Lions will be on the look out for another rider and not that many left to pick from now. How have they upset Swindon? He's not dumped Swindon for Leicester but Sheffield and it's only the supporters wishful thinking who has his named linked him with Leicester. As for a rider being a free enterty how come NM can't just walk away from Swindon and straight into Sheffield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I find it a very good co-incidence that Leicester have just enough points left to accomodate Nick in their team & it would be interesting to see who they were going to fill that spot with before Somerset left Nick out of their team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I find it a very good co-incidence that Leicester have just enough points left to accomodate Nick in their team & it would be interesting to see who they were going to fill that spot with before Somerset left Nick out of their team. Well, i did say that Leicester would be stupid not to sign him if he becomes avaliable.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 It can't be bad first season in the EL and they have arleady upset Swindon, with talk of bringing in Nick Morris. To top it all now they may be crossing swords with Poole. Lets hope they get NM and put one over them all after all a speedway rider is a free enterty and can go whre he wants, when it biols down to things. It would make a good team with Nick Morris and Jason Doyle. Lets hope he soon get that visa soeted out or the Lions will be on the look out for another rider and not that many left to pick from now. Don't think its Leicester who have upset Swindon. In fact Leicester seem to be taking great care to not cross the line, which is the only sensible course to steer. Sheffield, however, have upset Swindon as well as Morris himself. Any prospect of Morris joining Leicester in 2014 would seem to hinge on him getting his "wish" of a move to Sheffield. It's presumably the current state of the relationship between Swindon and Sheffield's prospective new owners, with the BSPA's stance also a factor, that is the main stumbling block to any resolution to the situation. In fact, I don't think the new owners of Sheffield have formally taken control yet, so it could be a while before they are in a position to conduct any "business" especially of such a tricky nature. So the BSPA could be taking an even dimmer view of things! I think that Leicester were almost on the point of announcing rider #5, when the Morris situation got going. With 5.94 available for rider #5, and the possibility (no more) of Morris (avg 5.90) ending up at Leicester, its probable that David Hemsley put the #5 "signing" on ice. However, how long can Leicester afford to wait for, with no guarantee things will be sorted out favourably with Morris? There may also be a mild panic arising from other EL promoters, that Leicester, who are supposed in their eyes to be just making up the numbers in 2014, would be changed into playoffs contenders with Morris added to the team! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Don't think its Leicester who have upset Swindon. In fact Leicester seem to be taking great care to not cross the line, which is the only sensible course to steer. Sheffield, however, have upset Swindon as well as Morris himself. Any prospect of Morris joining Leicester in 2014 would seem to hinge on him getting his "wish" of a move to Sheffield. It's presumably the current state of the relationship between Swindon and Sheffield's prospective new owners, with the BSPA's stance also a factor, that is the main stumbling block to any resolution to the situation. In fact, I don't think the new owners of Sheffield have formally taken control yet, so it could be a while before they are in a position to conduct any "business" especially of such a tricky nature. So the BSPA could be taking an even dimmer view of things! I think that Leicester were almost on the point of announcing rider #5, when the Morris situation got going. With 5.94 available for rider #5, and the possibility (no more) of Morris (avg 5.90) ending up at Leicester, its probable that David Hemsley put the #5 "signing" on ice. However, how long can Leicester afford to wait for, with no guarantee things will be sorted out favourably with Morris? There may also be a mild panic arising from other EL promoters, that Leicester, who are supposed in their eyes to be just making up the numbers in 2014, would be changed into playoffs contenders with Morris added to the team! Best let Rosco know who you had pencilled in at No 5 before Nick's situation arised then as there are so few options out there & agree with Nick in the Leicester line up it does look very strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye1 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Does anybody no if there is any truth in the rumor that Alan Jones is giving up his post as the co promoter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Don't think its Leicester who have upset Swindon. In fact Leicester seem to be taking great care to not cross the line, which is the only sensible course to steer. Sheffield, however, have upset Swindon as well as Morris himself. Any prospect of Morris joining Leicester in 2014 would seem to hinge on him getting his "wish" of a move to Sheffield. It's presumably the current state of the relationship between Swindon and Sheffield's prospective new owners, with the BSPA's stance also a factor, that is the main stumbling block to any resolution to the situation. In fact, I don't think the new owners of Sheffield have formally taken control yet, so it could be a while before they are in a position to conduct any "business" especially of such a tricky nature. So the BSPA could be taking an even dimmer view of things! I think that Leicester were almost on the point of announcing rider #5, when the Morris situation got going. With 5.94 available for rider #5, and the possibility (no more) of Morris (avg 5.90) ending up at Leicester, its probable that David Hemsley put the #5 "signing" on ice. However, how long can Leicester afford to wait for, with no guarantee things will be sorted out favourably with Morris? There may also be a mild panic arising from other EL promoters, that Leicester, who are supposed in their eyes to be just making up the numbers in 2014, would be changed into playoffs contenders with Morris added to the team! I think it's just coincidence. It was stated in the SS last week that the delay was due to Doyle's visa woes which seems sensible to me. Although most people think it's a formality obviously until he has the visa in his hand then you don't hedge your bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I think it's just coincidence. It was stated in the SS last week that the delay was due to Doyle's visa woes which seems sensible to me. Although most people think it's a formality obviously until he has the visa in his hand then you don't hedge your bets. ....or maybe that was a highly convenient reason!? Best let Rosco know who you had pencilled in at No 5 before Nick's situation arised then as there are so few options out there & agree with Nick in the Leicester line up it does look very strong. Rumour was Sergei Darkin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) re out www.speedwaygb.co/ Fixtures they are also now on the Lions website. http://leicesterlions.co/fixtures Edited January 17, 2014 by nightshift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 ....or maybe that was a highly convenient reason!? We wouldn't be able to sign him until Swindon have released him anyway so it's all academic. I must admit I wouldn't want a rider who can just spit his dummy out and walk away with no thought for the people who have supported him management and fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 We wouldn't be able to sign him until Swindon have released him anyway so it's all academic. I must admit I wouldn't want a rider who can just spit his dummy out and walk away with no thought for the people who have supported him management and fans. But he was dumped by a team (presumably after having signed an agreement with them) at a point where alternative employment possibilities had already become very limited. If that had happened when a good amount of alternatives were still available, the current situation would probably not apply. Whether it was the fault of Somerset or the BSPA, or both, they have brought the situation about, not Morris. If Swindon don't resolve the situation, and having (I think) submitted a transfer request in December, Morris could take the matter to arbitration with the SCB/ACU, who are obliged to make a decision which is "in the best interests of speedway". Due to notice requirements, that couldin theory take until well into March, if Swindon don't want to budge. If the SCB/ACU do have to make a ruling - what will they deem to be "in the best interests of speedway"? Morris riding only in the EL (for Swindon); or Morris riding in EL for (Leicester or Poole) and in the PL (for Sheffield). Keeping in mind the situation hasn't been of Morris's making, my money would be a ruling in favour of the latter as "in the best interests of speedway. The ball's in Swindon's court now i think. There options are 1. Hold out until a possible arbitration ruling which maybe won't be until March - and run the risk of having to rebuild the team with the season about to start 2. Decide to grant Morris his transfer request now and adjust their team 3. Try to get the arbittration process moved forward, with the agreement of Morris and BSPA/SCB. If Morris does get his wish, I bet you that in 2015 he will be back with Swindon, best buddies with Rosco again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethelion Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 But he was dumped by a team (presumably after having signed an agreement with them) at a point where alternative employment possibilities had already become very limited. If that had happened when a good amount of alternatives were still available, the current situation would probably not apply. Whether it was the fault of Somerset or the BSPA, or both, they have brought the situation about, not Morris. If Swindon don't resolve the situation, and having (I think) submitted a transfer request in December, Morris could take the matter to arbitration with the SCB/ACU, who are obliged to make a decision which is "in the best interests of speedway". Due to notice requirements, that couldin theory take until well into March, if Swindon don't want to budge. If the SCB/ACU do have to make a ruling - what will they deem to be "in the best interests of speedway"? Morris riding only in the EL (for Swindon); or Morris riding in EL for (Leicester or Poole) and in the PL (for Sheffield). Keeping in mind the situation hasn't been of Morris's making, my money would be a ruling in favour of the latter as "in the best interests of speedway. The ball's in Swindon's court now i think. There options are 1. Hold out until a possible arbitration ruling which maybe won't be until March - and run the risk of having to rebuild the team with the season about to start 2. Decide to grant Morris his transfer request now and adjust their team 3. Try to get the arbittration process moved forward, with the agreement of Morris and BSPA/SCB. If Morris does get his wish, I bet you that in 2015 he will be back with Swindon, best buddies with Rosco again! If Morris does sign for Lions & Sheffield, & Sheffield buy him & become his parent club, they would have first choice with any fixture clashes. Looking at the fixtures released today, Lions have 7 thursday meetings, the same night as Sheffield ride.This means Morris would miss a quarter of the Lions league matches, that's also not taking into account any of Sheffield's away fixtures that might clash. Has much as i would love to see Morris at Leicester missing that amount of fixtures it would be a gamble to sign him as Lions would only be able to use R/R & the reserve pair don't look the strongest in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) But he was dumped by a team (presumably after having signed an agreement with them) at a point where alternative employment possibilities had already become very limited. If that had happened when a good amount of alternatives were still available, the current situation would probably not apply. Whether it was the fault of Somerset or the BSPA, or both, they have brought the situation about, not Morris. If Swindon don't resolve the situation, and having (I think) submitted a transfer request in December, Morris could take the matter to arbitration with the SCB/ACU, who are obliged to make a decision which is "in the best interests of speedway". Due to notice requirements, that couldin theory take until well into March, if Swindon don't want to budge. If the SCB/ACU do have to make a ruling - what will they deem to be "in the best interests of speedway"? Morris riding only in the EL (for Swindon); or Morris riding in EL for (Leicester or Poole) and in the PL (for Sheffield). Keeping in mind the situation hasn't been of Morris's making, my money would be a ruling in favour of the latter as "in the best interests of speedway. The ball's in Swindon's court now i think. There options are 1. Hold out until a possible arbitration ruling which maybe won't be until March - and run the risk of having to rebuild the team with the season about to start 2. Decide to grant Morris his transfer request now and adjust their team 3. Try to get the arbittration process moved forward, with the agreement of Morris and BSPA/SCB. If Morris does get his wish, I bet you that in 2015 he will be back with Swindon, best buddies with Rosco again! Somerset created the problem in the first place and Morris made it worse by expecting Swindon who are entirely without blame to Re-jig their team planning to suit him , he agreed to ride for Swindon and they have built a team on the strength of that, so he should honour his agreement and find secondary employment to fit with what he has committed to , Keeping in mind of course that the situation with Swindon is entirely of Moriss's making Edited January 17, 2014 by jim the whipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) If Morris does sign for Lions & Sheffield, & Sheffield buy him & become his parent club, they would have first choice with any fixture clashes. Looking at the fixtures released today, Lions have 7 thursday meetings, the same night as Sheffield ride.This means Morris would miss a quarter of the Lions league matches, that's also not taking into account any of Sheffield's away fixtures that might clash. Has much as i would love to see Morris at Leicester missing that amount of fixtures it would be a gamble to sign him as Lions would only be able to use R/R & the reserve pair don't look the strongest in the league. At a guess one of them would be Thurs at Swindon :-) Edited January 17, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicesterLion39 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 If Jason Doyle is granted his visa, because he is a doubling up rider who has first call on him when there is a fixture clash between Lions and Somerset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) If Jason Doyle is granted his visa, because he is a doubling up rider who has first call on him when there is a fixture clash between Lions and Somerset I would think Somerset as they signed him first. Edited January 17, 2014 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I would think Somerset as they signed him first That will be at least 3 meetings he will miss then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 If Jason Doyle is granted his visa, because he is a doubling up rider who has first call on him when there is a fixture clash between Lions and Somerset Somerset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicesterLion39 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Somerset. If thats the case looking at the fixtures he may miss between 10 and 12 fixtures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 If thats the case looking at the fixtures he may miss between 10 and 12 fixtures You signed him.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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