E I Addio Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) Interesting statement here from Jon Cook and Stuart Douglas, pointing out that the sport needs an independent body, complaining about a complete wall of silence from the SCB, promoters stretching the rule book to the extreme, and allegations of Poole cheating. http://londonbikers....ritish-speedway The interesting thing is that it is so relevant it could have been issued today but in fact it dates from May 2009. The fans are entitled to ask what has been happening over the last 3 and half years, why are we in the same position today as we were then, are the majority of the promoters happy with the status quo, if not who is blocking the changes and why do the claims of Poole cheating persist season after season? Edited October 2, 2013 by E I Addio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I'm sorry E I Addio, but Lakeside have been party to these events with their rolling over with regards to the infamous postponement earlier in the year and their rolling over with regards to the illegal riding order Poole tracked against them last season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 There is nobody to blame but the promoters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 So why did Jon Cook not side with Rick Frost and Avtar Sandhu? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I'm sorry E I Addio, but Lakeside have been party to these events with their rolling over with regards to the infamous postponement earlier in the year and their rolling over with regards to the illegal riding order Poole tracked against them last season. And the other parties are ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 So why did Jon Cook not side with Rick Frost and Avtar Sandhu? Perhaps he didn't want to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) So why did Jon Cook not side with Rick Frost and Avtar Sandhu? Because they wanted a 45 point limit that would have pushed Belle Vue and Eastbourne out of the EL. Swindon and Poole were also in favour of a 45 point limit but they discussed it rationally without walking out and were bright enough to see the damage that would be done. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation walking out is not the way to do business. The root of it all was that animosity between Ford and Trump. They were washing their dirty linen in public well before the AGM and it was always going to blow up between them for one reason or another. Bottom line is that in over three years nothing but nothing has changed apart from more fans leaving. Edited October 2, 2013 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 There is nobody to blame but the promoters. Back Scratchers United ! ........... the chance to change was a couple of winters ago , the few stood firm , the rest bottled it ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I agree an independant panel is needed as with all sport but the promoters always maintain it is unaffordable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) I agree an independant panel is needed as with all sport but the promoters always maintain it is unaffordable That may well be the case, but one of the other complaints was the "wall of silence" from the SCB. It seems to me that seems to be at the root of a lot of problems. The SCB, rather like the Royal Family adopt a policy of "don't complain, don't explain" so fans are left in the dark, the sport appears to carry on like a ship without a rudder, fans leave and now it seems that sky are on the way out. A more open policy from the SCB could make such a big difference but nothing ever changes. Edited October 2, 2013 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Because they wanted a 45 point limit that would have pushed Belle Vue and Eastbourne out of the EL. Swindon and Poole were also in favour of a 45 point limit but they discussed it rationally without walking out and were bright enough to see the damage that would be done. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation walking out is not the way to do business. The root of it all was that animosity between Ford and Trump. They were washing their dirty linen in public well before the AGM and it was always going to blow up between them for one reason or another. Bottom line is that in over three years nothing but nothing has changed apart from more fans leaving. The bottom line is Rick Frost wanted a level playing field, and still does. That's all what most supporters want, so why 3 years down the line hasn't the BSPA done anything about it. Nothing's changed, this sport is still corrupt as recent events only prove, until it does this sport will continue to sink until it drowns completely. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 The bottom line is Rick Frost wanted a level playing field, and still does. That's all what most supporters want, so why 3 years down the line hasn't the BSPA done anything about it. Nothing's changed, this sport is still corrupt as recent events only prove, until it does this sport will continue to sink until it drowns completely. Difficult to disagree with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 The bottom line is Rick Frost wanted a level playing field, and still does. That's all what most supporters want, so why 3 years down the line hasn't the BSPA done anything about it. Nothing's changed, this sport is still corrupt as recent events only prove, until it does this sport will continue to sink until it drowns completely. Good post BCD, agree with all of that... Some transparency and an Independent Body asap please.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I'd be interested to hear some views on my idea of a Speedway Ambassador Scheme http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=74957&view=getnewpost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Because they wanted a 45 point limit that would have pushed Belle Vue and Eastbourne out of the EL. Swindon and Poole were also in favour of a 45 point limit but they discussed it rationally without walking out and were bright enough to see the damage that would be done. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation walking out is not the way to do business. The root of it all was that animosity between Ford and Trump. They were washing their dirty linen in public well before the AGM and it was always going to blow up between them for one reason or another. Bottom line is that in over three years nothing but nothing has changed apart from more fans leaving. They sided with Poole on the other rules as well ...even thou they knew that is was all about Ford giving teaching Cov a lesson ..if they have not got along with ford then maybe cov and boro would have not walk out ...the bottom line is there as bad as anyone else as they have helped Ford do his dirty work 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Halifaxtiger Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) I'm sorry E I Addio, but Lakeside have been party to these events with their rolling over with regards to the infamous postponement earlier in the year and their rolling over with regards to the illegal riding order Poole tracked against them last season. I agree. They may have said that 3 years ago, but what have they done in the mean time ? The truth as I see it is they are all equally complicit in every dodgy and/or corrupt decision because no-one ever does anything about them. I don't think you can have an independent body to run the sport, but you most certainly can to ensure that they stick to their own rules and that decision making is both legal and transparent. Edited October 2, 2013 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 FROM my memory the dispute started because Coventry felt the goalposts were being moved after they had agreed a double spearhead of Andersen and Kaspzrak ... Harris had already been told he could go. Peterborough had signed and paid a big fee to Rye House for Lunus Sundstrom which they might not otherwise had done. Initially at least it certainly had nothing to do with Matt Ford. That particularly dispute between Matt and Allan Trump festered and grew but it wasn't the trigger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Oh I see, it's an old article.Swindon fans will remember that match! Chris Holder, I believe, held court before the meeting, and he told the assembled few what he was about to do, then we were treated to the wonderful spectacle of Travis McGowan, passing Holder. Also, Leigh Adams made a comment about what Poole were up to on that night. They had a whitewash of an inquiry that wasn't worth a bag of beans! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 They sided with Poole on the other rules as well ...even thou they knew that is was all about Ford giving teaching Cov a lesson ..if they have not got along with ford then maybe cov and boro would have not walk out ...the bottom line is there as bad as anyone else as they have helped Ford do his dirty work There were lots of issues swirling around at that time. Stuart Douglas set out his position in an interview with SS in November 2010 but a number of clubs didn't want to listen to his ideas for stopping spiralling costs and the result is clubs now making bigger losses so we look like losing a lot of top riders in 2014 which is the very thing Duggo was trying to avoid if you read the article. Also when Cook and Douglas were calling for an independent body in May 2010, 6 months before the AGM Trump and Frost never came out at that stage and said "Yeah, great idea", it was only when it suited their purpose they started on about it. We can argue until the cows come home on the rights and wrongs of the winter of discontent, but nobody is going to change their opinion on it at this late stage. I am not saying that Cook, Douglas or anyone else is whiter than white. The issue that collectively the promoters have the sport in exactly the same position that two of their number were complaining about nearly 4 years ago. There may or may not be reasons why their cannot be an independent body, but there is no reason why there should be the "wall of silence" from the SCB that was being complained about. This is what really annoys me. The SCB are the body delegated by the ACU to have authority over the sport. On vitually every issue the fans are treated with the "wall of silence". Nothing is every explained, nothing ever clarified.It leads to speculation, some it accurate, some not so accurate, and fans be kept in the dark are leaving the sport. It would cost no more money and no more effort for the SCB to be more forthcoming and it would do a lot of good, but it never happens. It just leads me to wonder, who is it at the SCB, or who has control over the SCB that is responsible for this wall of silence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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