John Leslie Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Firstly, I'm certainly no website building/hosting expert, so I might be asking daft questions here, but what is the purpose in having every club website hosted on the same servers? I can understand some logic in the idea that all club website domain names should follow a uniform pattern, but wouldn't it be simpler to allow each club to build their own website and host it wherever they want, and then the BSPA just point all the .co domains to the relevant places? A top Elite club might want to pay more to be hosted on a server that doesn't crash when it suddenly gets 27 visitors, whereas a small NL club might even be able to find somewhere to host their site for free. As long as the official BSPA .co domains point to the right place then to the outside world everything would be uniform. On the subject of the uniform domains, it still mystifies me why all clubs have a Colombian domain, and why they use nicknames rather than the word speedway. If I was a non-fan (in say Eastbourne) who had just seen speedway on TV and wondered if there was a local track, I would surely look for "Eastbourne Speedway". I wouldn't know to look for "Eastbourne Eagles" and I certainly wouldn't expect to find them with a South American domain. Surely Birminghamspeedway.co.uk , Eastbournespeedway.co.uk etc, is better than Birminghambrummies.co and Eastbourneeagles.co ? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Think everyone should be careful of making slanderous comments because it will close down BSF like it did last time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Think everyone should be careful of making slanderous comments because it will close down BSF like it did last time. Hmm..was just about to post the same thing. Richsimpson in particular might want to word his accusations about malicious removal etc a bit more gently. And yes, i realise i have offered to put HougardRacingFan in a river on this same thread, but i'm pretty sure the bspa won't be interested in that one.. Absolutely ludicrous to think that AP Media would take the site down in some sort of petty act. What on earth could be gained from it... There were technical issues with the site for yonks and yonks, a decision was made by the Bspa - it was carried out. It also went off the week before didn't it ? What's probably not helped aswell is a renegade press release made by someone who has chosen to go it alone without the backing of his management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) I think we should wait and see if this is true before making any judgements. Someone will know, and the information will find its way to this forum no doubt. On what I've seen, there are only two possible outcomes. A. something less than honesty behind the scenes B. the website hosting is woefully and inexcusably inadequate, even if that's the unlikely case, not doing anything about it is also unacceptable, as quite clearly its' been shown as not fit for purpose and clubs have a right to complain if it's costing them revenue. Whatever the reasons why it happened, having a website down at such a crucial time from seemingly something that should not cause it to break sweat is unacceptable and should be changed with immediate effect, also banning Chris Simpson for speaking his mind is bang out of order, this last setence is not rumour or slander, it is fact. Edited October 3, 2013 by david2905 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGP Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Hmm..was just about to post the same thing. Richsimpson in particular might want to word his accusations about malicious removal etc a bit more gently. And yes, i realise i have offered to put HougardRacingFan in a river on this same thread, but i'm pretty sure the bspa won't be interested in that one.. Absolutely ludicrous to think that AP Media would take the site down in some sort of petty act. What on earth could be gained from it... There were technical issues with the site for yonks and yonks, a decision was made by the Bspa - it was carried out. It also went off the week before didn't it ? What's probably not helped aswell is a renegade press release made by someone who has chosen to go it alone without the backing of his management. IF you're referring to the statement issued by the Birmingham Press Officer in relation to the website outage, then I think you will find that this was approved by the Birmingham management. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 On what I've seen, there are only two possible outcomes. A. something less than honesty behind the scenes B. the website hosting is woefully and inexcusably inadequate, even if that's the unlikely case, not doing anything about it is also unacceptable, as quite clearly its' been shown as not fit for purpose and clubs have a right to compain if it's costing thm revenue. I don't disagree. The point I was trying to get over was that we should be careful about commenting on the possibility of a guy being banned from working in the sport, when we have no real information yet whether or not it is true . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGP Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) I don't disagree. The point I was trying to get over was that we should be careful about commenting on the possibility of a guy being banned from working in the sport, when we have no real information yet whether or not it is true . GUESS Chris himself can confirm, or others connected to the situation. However, as an 'insider' I am 100% sure it's true. Edited October 3, 2013 by SGP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Think everyone should be careful of making slanderous comments because it will close down BSF like it did last time. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, proof enough the BSPA is not fit for purpose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Think everyone should be careful of making slanderous comments because it will close down BSF like it did last time. Just a minor point Steve. It is libelous not slanderous, slanderous is spoken . Edited October 3, 2013 by A ORLOV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Just a minor point Steve. It is libelous not slanderous, slanderous is spoken . Fair point, same meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 GUESS Chris himself can confirm, or others connected to the situation. However, as an 'insider' I am 100% sure it's true. Thanks SGP. I can't say I'm surprised , but I was hoping it was not going to be the case. If we had any hopes that the thinking at the "top shop" might have been changing, then they have just been shot down in flames. I really just don't understand how they can come to these decisions. My sympathy to Chris, thanks for your efforts at Brandon, I hope you can find a way round this situation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGP Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Thanks SGP. I can't say I'm surprised , but I was hoping it was not going to be the case. If we had any hopes that the thinking at the "top shop" might have been changing, then they have just been shot down in flames. I really just don't understand how they can come to these decisions. My sympathy to Chris, thanks for your efforts at Brandon, I hope you can find a way round this situation. SHOULD Chris be unable to come on here and confirm/deny, then I guess we'll know for sure if he isn't presenting at the Brummies for the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Think everyone should be careful of making slanderous comments because it will close down BSF like it did last time. On what grounds would the BSPA seek to close the forum down and/or the owners bow to such a request? Surely if there is a libellous (slander refers to speech as far as i'm aware?) comment then they would ask for it to be removed and the mods would warn the poster or ban them if they have previous form for making such type of comments? Obviously there is also the legal route for a promoter to go down. The odd untoward comment wouldn't be enough to request for a whole site to be taken down? Of course sometimes people take something for granted and won't realize what a truly great service they have with the BSF until it's gone. I'm not talking about outside forces getting it removed but fans need to realise that Phil and all the moderators have their own lives and jobs to lead. If they are in danger of having to heavily vet posts because of the risk of increasing amounts of libellous posts they may decide they haven't got the time or will to do so. As a matter of relevance to the thread, I notice there is a post which makes veiled attacks at both Birmingham and Poole Speedway's and is still there. Light having been shed on reasons why certain other posts were pulled, why is that one still here? It's likely may have been removed by now - not sure i haven't got time to plough back - but i was shocked to see that post and it certainly needed to be removed instantly. It was suggesting a criminal act and i think the police let alone a promoter could have jumped on that and persued it. I'm getting lost with the contradicting statements being made. Can someone clarify if either or both Chris Povey or Birmingham Speedway have made a public announcement that the website was offline due to overload on the server? Has that now been rescinded or disproved? As of right now the Birmingham Speedway website is still carrying the apology and stating it was down to the servers not being able to cope! Whilst Google Analyctics is known to often greatly under report visitor levels, i certainly think it has in this case, i still can not believe that a UK speedway website would crash it's server, well unless they have purchased the lowest bandwidth package in history lol. Edited October 3, 2013 by manchesterpaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Firstly, I'm certainly no website building/hosting expert, so I might be asking daft questions here, but what is the purpose in having every club website hosted on the same servers? Cost. You can put multiple websites on a shared server, but all those sites will be using the servers resources, so if one website starts getting hit by thousands or millions of hits, then the other sites will suffer. We used to host our site on a shared server and it cost about £100 a year (can get cheaper) but we now host on our own virtual server and pay about £100 a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 But how can you ever hope to get more people interested in the sport if the server (and websites by default) is incapable of being viewed by more than one man and his dog at the time ?. Whatever the reasons, it isn't good enoughbasically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) On the subject of the uniform domains, it still mystifies me why all clubs have a Colombian domain, and why they use nicknames rather than the word speedway. If I was a non-fan (in say Eastbourne) who had just seen speedway on TV and wondered if there was a local track, I would surely look for "Eastbourne Speedway". I wouldn't know to look for "Eastbourne Eagles" and I certainly wouldn't expect to find them with a South American domain. Surely Birminghamspeedway.co.uk , Eastbournespeedway.co.uk etc, is better than Birminghambrummies.co and Eastbourneeagles.co ? That is the most logical naming route to go down and because it would have the UK part then it wouldn't clash with any American motor speedway tracks. Without a doubt most people would use the word speedway in their search and for a speedway site not to have that word in it's name is a shocking oversight/blunder. Maybe it's because the .co.uk domains cost more than the Colombian! ones at the time OMG toooo funny can you really believe that UK speedway seeks out such a domain,and possibly for penny-pinching reasons? A UK sport should have some level of respect and at least pay for a UK domain. EDIT I've cut my other comment that was below as i think i was getting co.cc mixed up with .co lol Edited October 3, 2013 by manchesterpaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) But how can you ever hope to get more people interested in the sport if the server (and websites by default) is incapable of being viewed by more than one man and his dog at the time ?. Whatever the reasons, it isn't good enoughbasically. I agree, although it may well have been a one-off, we have not seen this before, but it now shows they need to review the websites. What I do not know is if each Speedway Club own their own websites, or if they are like the football league sites, all part of a big deal to share the same infrastructure. I suspect by the fact they all use the moronic .co rather than .co.uk domain names suggests its some big league deal. But, if not, then my advice to the Brummies would be to find a new host, and if they can afford to, look to put their site on their own dedicated server/VPS rather than a shared server. (Just to add to that, if not using a UK domain, vital you ensure the hosting server is UK based, not overseas). Servers/Websites will always go down, but you do a lot to limit those times. Edited October 3, 2013 by TheReturn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I suspect by the fact they all use the moronic .co rather than .co.uk domain names suggests its some big league deal. But, if not, then my advice to the Brummies would be to find a new host, and if they can afford to, look to put their site on their own dedicated server/VPS rather than a shared server. The Birmingham website statement states that clubs are contractually obliged to have their sites hosted on BSPA servers which are controlled by AP Media. http://www.birminghambrummies.co/birmingham-speedway-apology/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 The Birmingham website statement states that clubs are contractually obliged to have their sites hosted on BSPA servers which are controlled by AP Media. http://www.birminghambrummies.co/birmingham-speedway-apology/ There we go then. Can't blame Birmingham, the BSPA need to resolve this. IMO - Review if they have the best provider of services. - Review if they need to allow clubs to manage their own websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 You make me laugh.. I have the misfortune of being up Peterborough way in the next few few days - let me know where you're stacking shelves and i'll be there. For the forum's sake, i shall say that i would like to shake your hand and and talk speedway. For the sake of humanity and the protection of the Jepsen Jensen family, i would like drop you one, put you in one of your own trolleys, and dump you in a river... Kind Regards Tom LOL. I received a similar threat off this geezer before HRF, didnt amount to anything when i seen him though at reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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