hagonshocker Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Didn't know Swindon was in Wales. He might be of Welsh descent, but I'm pretty sure he was born in Swindon. Mind you, the Aussie Crump is a Bristolian by birth and the Englishman Loram was born in Malta. Jesus irony is clearly lost on some!.....look out for when England play Wales at rugby you will see where Alun's alegiency lies then....in any case irrelevant as the job is for GB manager and last time i looked i swear Wales was still part of Great Britain...no matter how much some complain!...btw Rosco does have welsh on one side of HIS family 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 How many times does this come up & for how many years is it going to keep getting brought up?. Unless a rider decides to challenge the "contract" debate like Bosman did in football it's totally irrelevent. Can't see a rider doing that somehow. If the rumours are true, Morris effectively has. If he leaves, it proves that Swindon knew his contract wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 If the rumours are true, Morris effectively has. If he leaves, it proves that Swindon knew his contract wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Except that it wasn't on paper. I don't think he signed a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 If the rumours are true, Morris effectively has. If he leaves, it proves that Swindon knew his contract wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Nick has never signed a contract for 2014 with the Robins & was only agreed by word from what I've been told & I guess this is where Swindon could find themselves with problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Nick has never signed a contract for 2014 with the Robins & was only agreed by word from what I've been told & I guess this is where Swindon could find themselves with problems. Well, in that case I can't see what all the fuss is about and a lot of Swindon "supporters" owe Nick an apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Nick has never signed a contract for 2014 with the Robins & was only agreed by word from what I've been told & I guess this is where Swindon could find themselves with problems. As I said, a cheery wave from Nick to Rosco as he went through the departure gate for Oz and a 'See you in the Spring, mate'!! Jesus irony is clearly lost on some!.....look out for when England play Wales at rugby you will see where Alun's alegiency lies then....in any case irrelevant as the job is for GB manager and last time i looked i swear Wales was still part of Great Britain...no matter how much some complain!...btw Rosco does have welsh on one side of HIS family His backside??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Jesus irony is clearly lost on some!.....look out for when England play Wales at rugby you will see where Alun's alegiency lies then....in any case irrelevant as the job is for GB manager and last time i looked i swear Wales was still part of Great Britain...no matter how much some complain!...btw Rosco does have welsh on one side of HIS family Well maybe he's a Scouser, as he seems to follow Liverpool? On the Irony!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Rossiter is not GB Manager material in my opinion. Blowing his top live on television, making stupid statements, never mind the regular elementary mistakes as Robins team manager . He is a Wiltshire version of Middleditch. Yes his track record in recent years has been impressive, but If he is considered as the inspiration of a 'new dawn' for GB speedway, it won't happen. Mind you, that won't happen for many years until there is a radical re think regarding the basic priorities in relation to the nurturing and progress of British youngsters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Well, in that case I can't see what all the fuss is about and a lot of Swindon "supporters" owe Nick an apology. I wasn't made aware of that fact until yesterday & if true which is usually from a good source then Swindon don't really have a leg to stand on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Rossiter is not GB Manager material in my opinion. Blowing his top live on television, making stupid statements, never mind the regular elementary mistakes as Robins team manager . He is a Wiltshire version of Middleditch. Yes his track record in recent years has been impressive, but If he is considered as the inspiration of a 'new dawn' for GB speedway, it won't happen. Mind you, that won't happen for many years until there is a radical re think regarding the basic priorities in relation to the nurturing and progress of British youngsters. You're a bit harsh there ER.. Admittedly, there are no outstanding candidates for the job, but Rosco would at least be a step in the right direction.. The clueless oaf Muddle couldn't be bothered to get the necessary accreditation and has no personality whatsoever. At least Rosco would instill some passion in his riders and that did the USA no harm when their team of no-hopers (GH excluded) relegated GB to last behind Latvia.. TBH...my gran would be an improvement on last year's GB manager.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Rossiter is not GB Manager material in my opinion. Blowing his top live on television, making stupid statements, never mind the regular elementary mistakes as Robins team manager . He is a Wiltshire version of Middleditch. Yes his track record in recent years has been impressive, but If he is considered as the inspiration of a 'new dawn' for GB speedway, it won't happen. Mind you, that won't happen for many years until there is a radical re think regarding the basic priorities in relation to the nurturing and progress of British youngsters. Could be worse tho. We could have picked someone that thinks taking drugs, drinking and driving, fleeing from police when intoxicated is `what kids do these days`................ ooops. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 You're a bit harsh there ER.. Admittedly, there are no outstanding candidates for the job, but Rosco would at least be a step in the right direction.. The clueless oaf Muddle couldn't be bothered to get the necessary accreditation and has no personality whatsoever. At least Rosco would instill some passion in his riders and that did the USA no harm when their team of no-hopers (GH excluded) relegated GB to last behind Latvia.. TBH...my gran would be an improvement on last year's GB manager.. Clueless oaf? Love to see you say that to his face! Another faceless keyboard idiot! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Always been a fan of Middlo if im being honest since his days as a rider....always good for a laugh an probably the worst serial prankster in speedway...believe me having witnessed a number of Wiggy's do's in Milton Keynes ....... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 I wasn't made aware of that fact until yesterday & if true which is usually from a good source then Swindon don't really have a leg to stand on. Whilst I've been arguing Morris's case, I do believe Swindon have a leg to stand on. Legally not, but by the way the BSPA operates. I'd be surprised if many riders have a signed contract at this point, but the whole structure is built around 'how its always worked'. On one hand we have Birks having a verbal agreement and then being told he's not wanted. On the other hand we have Morris having a verbal agreement and then backing out. The entire system is built on an element of trust and precedence. Assuming Morris still has alternative options, then I'm sure the BSPA will dictate a purchase on the basis of Swindon attempting to use their asset. It is possible to protect their system they will try and play hardball and refuse Morris moving or as an extreme banning him for withholding his services That's particularly dangerous to the entire structure if Morris refuses to accept that. It really does only need one rider to say sod it and bring the sport in this country to its feet. It worries and surprises me that the BSPA haven't started changing the asset and contract set-up in recent years. There have been warnings and suggestions how to ensure clubs don't lose out financially for their investments, but for some reason they choose to leave themselves exposed. I fear it has a lot to do with the sport's financial predicament in conjunction with the number of injuries that mean teams need to avoid having committed contracts with riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Clueless oaf? Love to see you say that to his face! Another faceless keyboard idiot! Its a forum, we are all faceless. I'm sure there are plenty who would call him a clueless oaf to his face given the chance, me included. Some of his behaviour and comments last year were not what you expected from a National team manager in any sport... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Whilst I've been arguing Morris's case, I do believe Swindon have a leg to stand on. Legally not, but by the way the BSPA operates. I'd be surprised if many riders have a signed contract at this point, but the whole structure is built around 'how its always worked'. On one hand we have Birks having a verbal agreement and then being told he's not wanted. On the other hand we have Morris having a verbal agreement and then backing out. The entire system is built on an element of trust and precedence. Assuming Morris still has alternative options, then I'm sure the BSPA will dictate a purchase on the basis of Swindon attempting to use their asset. It is possible to protect their system they will try and play hardball and refuse Morris moving or as an extreme banning him for withholding his services That's particularly dangerous to the entire structure if Morris refuses to accept that. It really does only need one rider to say sod it and bring the sport in this country to its feet. It worries and surprises me that the BSPA haven't started changing the asset and contract set-up in recent years. There have been warnings and suggestions how to ensure clubs don't lose out financially for their investments, but for some reason they choose to leave themselves exposed. I fear it has a lot to do with the sport's financial predicament in conjunction with the number of injuries that mean teams need to avoid having committed contracts with riders. Yes, whole thing has always seemed to be built on sand, based on custom. In order to remain an "asset" of a team, does that team have to pay a rider a fixed annual retainer fee? Or just a percentage of any loan fees received? Or nothing? If it's the latter, how can there possibly be any contract, and any legal basis of the asset system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Let's all slag off Middlo 'eh? Some people on here don't seem to have a clue about the guy. No charisma? Middlo ? Pure jealousy I am afraid. He speaks as he sees it, is the most successful manager in the recent history of the sport and is totally respected by riders. Easy to have a pop on here but some people are way off target 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Let's all slag off Middlo 'eh? Some people on here don't seem to have a clue about the guy. No charisma? Middlo ? Pure jealousy I am afraid. He speaks as he sees it, is the most successful manager in the recent history of the sport and is totally respected by riders. Easy to have a pop on here but some people are way off target I have always liked the bloke,enjoyed watching him ride was Poole through and through.I know through an old rider what a decent guy he is good fun to be around and he is well respected by the riders.Ok he has made mistakes haven't we all? we all know how easy it is to react to nasty comments so i would say give Neil a break move on to some other victim. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Let's all slag off Middlo 'eh? Some people on here don't seem to have a clue about the guy. No charisma? Middlo ? Pure jealousy I am afraid. He speaks as he sees it, is the most successful manager in the recent history of the sport and is totally respected by riders. Easy to have a pop on here but some people are way off target I believe Crump said over and over again Middlo was the manager he most wanted to ride for and when he got the chance he had nothing but praise for him. Edited January 15, 2014 by foreverblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Nice post Sidney. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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