Crazy robin Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Newman isn't the strongest rider on the list for me, he may be the most experienced but his progress has been gradual whereas Garrity & Kerr have come on to the scene much more dramatically. I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Blackbird, Nielsen and one or two others catch him up during 2014. Seeing as somebody brought the subject of Aussies into the thread I should mention the rumour I've heard, that being that Mr Ford desperately tried to get Brady Kurtz on the list so he could pick him. Not that I think for one moment it could possibly be true seeing as Matty boy is the proverbial salt of the earth Newman has the most experience of riding in the Elite league so his premier league average shouldn't mean because riders have higher averages there they are rated above him.Also can't be done on what they will become but what they have done previously so potential shouldn't come into it. I know no-one will believe me but this isn't me being anti-Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Newman isn't even the top rider in the draft list. Newman isn't the strongest rider on the list for me, It is a weird one this because Newman has a fair amount of EL experience the past 2 seasons and has generally done ok considering his limited experience. Think Poole will be more than happy with that pick - assuming they go with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 The cut-off appears to be somewhere between Kerr @ 6.09 (makes it) & Howarth @ 6.86 (doesn't make it).Newman isn't even the top rider in the draft list. Kerr and Garrity have higher averages last season. Maybe others, too. Newman should definitely be one of the top reserves though for sure.Newman i believe is the best in that list,Garrity i rate and he was really impressive in the British Final but he has had a serious injury.He is yet to prove he is back not saying he won't be , Kerr i have seen a few times has impressed me if he stays at Lynn he will progress again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Newman has the most experience of riding in the Elite league so his premier league average shouldn't mean because riders have higher averages there they are rated above him.Also can't be done on what they will become but what they have done previously so potential shouldn't come into it. I know no-one will believe me but this isn't me being anti-Poole. Clearly so much EL experience he's managed a 3.00 average! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Clearly so much EL experience he's managed a 3.00 average! Theres a difference between experience and ability. So what you'#re saying is this list should be for riders who are inexperienced or rubbish. Newman has been in a declared EL team in the last 3 seasons. yet Ash Birks with his season worth and Kyle Howarth with his 2 season and Derek Sneddon with no experience are not on there. Would have been far better to say any rider with less than 2 season EL experience. It's just convenient once again that something that could have gone either way and gone the way of Poole. Still, would rather Poole gian out fo Newman than someone use Lee Smart, Simon Lambert, Paul Starke and Dan Halsey FFS! Those 4 wont make it as an EL rider (other than in this kind of scheme) while they have a hole in their backside. Edited November 30, 2013 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Theres a difference between experience and ability. So what you'#re saying is this list should be for riders who are inexperienced or rubbish. Newman has been in a declared EL team in the last 3 seasons. yet Ash Birks with his season worth and Kyle Howarth with his 2 season and Derek Sneddon with no experience are not on there. Would have been far better to say any rider with less than 2 season EL experience. It's just convenient once again that something that could have gone either way and gone the way of Poole. Still, would rather Poole gian out fo Newman than someone use Lee Smart, Simon Lambert, Paul Starke and Dan Halsey FFS! Those 4 wont make it as an EL rider (other than in this kind of scheme) while they have a hole in their backside. Surely if the BSPA are serious about bringing on British talent it should be any British rider under 25 with first pick starting with 10th place EL team last year, then we would see how serious the EL are about bringing GB talent on. This whole idea is purely based on cutting costs with certain teams ensuring they retain an advantage. Nothing changes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Does seem a flawed system where Eastbourne can't use their own asset at reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Does seem a flawed system where Eastbourne can't use their own asset at reserve Who have Eastbourne got that they cannot use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Brandon. Sorry robins fans , didn't mean to hijack your thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Swindon Fans must he happy with the standard of Riders we will be getting from the draft ..As John Cook righty said ."Exciting Times Ahead " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 I have to say that I'm totally underwhelmed with the plans for next year. What have they done to improve the product? Nothing! If you look at the Swindon team last year where we started with two reserves on a combined average of 7.2 - take this off the 42.5 points for team building and you are left with 35.3. So for this coming season, we have knocked over 3 points of that total and throw in 2 out-of-their-depth NL riders and that is going to see the fans come flocking back? I don't think so! To add insult to the long suffering fans they plan to charge the same price as they did last year. Unbelievable really! Then you have this daft system (that's what it should be called) where there are a few ringers (ie. noticeably better than the rest) in the pot who are already spoken for! I am still waiting to see who we sign - it's December tomorrow and not one announcement yet either (unless you include the thanks but no thanks to Hans) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Clearly so much EL experience he's managed a 3.00 average! Oh yes cos he looked like a 3 pointer in the play offs didn't he?. Only has that average as Poole have never stuck with him but don't let that cloud your views. You're usual Poole tinted glasses on I see & bet you'd be saying different if he was an asset of another team. I have to say that I'm totally underwhelmed with the plans for next year. What have they done to improve the product? Nothing! If you look at the Swindon team last year where we started with two reserves on a combined average of 7.2 - take this off the 42.5 points for team building and you are left with 35.3. So for this coming season, we have knocked over 3 points of that total and throw in 2 out-of-their-depth NL riders and that is going to see the fans come flocking back? I don't think so! To add insult to the long suffering fans they plan to charge the same price as they did last year. Unbelievable really! Then you have this daft system (that's what it should be called) where there are a few ringers (ie. noticeably better than the rest) in the pot who are already spoken for! I am still waiting to see who we sign - it's December tomorrow and not one announcement yet either (unless you include the thanks but no thanks to Hans) Is it silence is golden or are Swindon struggling to get riders in?. I ain't paying £17 to watch National League riders when the likes of Birks & others from the Premier League have been shafted. If they really thought of young British talent then Birks, Howarth etc would be the main reserve but oh no. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Boy Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Crazy Robin, if Newman was the asset of another team you could bet your bottom dollar he wouldn't be on the draft list. Edited November 30, 2013 by Brummie Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 I am still waiting to see who we sign - it's December tomorrow and not one announcement yet either (unless you include the thanks but no thanks to Hans) Why sign any rider until you know what reserve you have? If you end up with 2 rubbish reserves you're wining the wooden spoon so you may as well do things on the cheap. Get a decent pair of reserves and it's worth spending a few ££. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 There lies the problem that people seem to be overlooking as if you have a decent top 5 & poor picks at reserve then basically you're buggered. Amazing how the rider with the most Elite league experience happens to be an asset of Poole. All I wanted was fairness & although they've tried it hasn't worked. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Apparently if your reserve is injured, you can replace him with a guest rider who is equal or below him on the reserve list. My question is as follows, do you replace him from the reserve list as published at the start of the season, in which case you will pick the most improved rider and therefore probably get a better rider than the one that is injured, or will the grading list be altered every month as riders improve or go backwards? Also if you have the lowest rider and he is injured what happens if there is not a lower rider available to replace him, can you take someone who is not on the list? Edited November 30, 2013 by oldtimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 The list is going to go upto 30 riders so there will be guest options. Still open to "abuse" in that you could just pick the on-form NL rider not your own rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 There lies the problem that people seem to be overlooking as if you have a decent top 5 & poor picks at reserve then basically you're buggered. Amazing how the rider with the most Elite league experience happens to be an asset of Poole. All I wanted was fairness & although they've tried it hasn't worked. Lets face it reserves are always key. I cannot think of a team in recent years that has won the league with 2 poor reserves. Swindon, for example, looked strong in reserve last season (Gomolski could have been a real steal) but it just didnt work out. On paper Swindon had done well in sourcing their reserves for the season. That is part of 1)getting team building right and 2)riders on low averages having better seasons. The same COULD apply to this season. Do we really know how any of the nl/pl boys will do (except the ones who have had experience). They have tried to be as fair as possible but it was always going to be a flawed system anyway. Lets just get behind the kids we all get allocated and support their journey, and hopefully they will learn from having experienced guys around them. Hopefully most clubs will have at least 1 decent reserve, so thats all any of us can expect surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Lets face it reserves are always key. I cannot think of a team in recent years that has won the league with 2 poor reserves.Swindon, for example, looked strong in reserve last season (Gomolski could have been a real steal) but it just didnt work out. On paper Swindon had done well in sourcing their reserves for the season.That is part of 1)getting team building right and 2)riders on low averages having better seasons.The same COULD apply to this season. Do we really know how any of the nl/pl boys will do (except the ones who have had experience).They have tried to be as fair as possible but it was always going to be a flawed system anyway.Lets just get behind the kids we all get allocated and support their journey, and hopefully they will learn from having experienced guys around them.Hopefully most clubs will have at least 1 decent reserve, so thats all any of us can expect surely? With respect, if I wanted to see kids I'd go to a NL match - not the EL. I have no inclination to watch kids - I want to see professional sportsmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) With respect, if I wanted to see kids I'd go to a NL match - not the EL. I have no inclination to watch kids - I want to see professional sportsmen. I`d also like an EL with all the top guys.................... it`s not gonna happen. Id rather watch British youngsters in reserve than the likes of Dryml,lathi, covatti, ostergaard, summers, north, dyer, grajczonek, ludvig lindgren filling up spots as gorified PL extras. I see your point tho. Edited November 30, 2013 by stevebrum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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