BWitcher Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) the type of crash is irrelevent is it not. each club has its idiots who cheer when a rider falls off. ban them from the stadium then. as for managers punching the air i very much doubt that! most managers are ex riders and they know the serious of it all. Cant imagine Havelock or Louis or Rosco cheering a rider falling off as all these guys have had bad crashes over the years. I saw Paul Muchene slid off and get killed at Hackney. Per Jonsson if i remember correctly was a fairly minor accident and he ended up in a wheelchair When Havvy broke his back he slid into the fence. poole fans are no worse then any other club. the fact is it is wrong All pointless waffle. You see most fans, riders etc don't go to a meeting assuming riders are going to be hurt every time they fall off. Riders especially. If they had ANY of those thoughts in their heads they wouldn't be racing in the first place. The managers you list, I've seen two of them do it personally. The sport needs more fans who are loud and cheer. Its full of passionless fans who don't make a peep regardless of what happens, creating a dull dead atmosphere and is part of the reason why nobody comes back. Once again people are focusing on the fall.. the fans aren't cheering because of the fall 'per se' they are cheering because it is an advantage to their team, there is nothing wrong with that in the slightest. I've seen many times in GP's when a rider has slid off allowing another by and it has shown the pit crew etc punching the air as their rider goes by. Speedway isn't the only sport either. I can remember a classic Formula 1 race from years ago involving Nigel Mansell (pretty sure it was him), in a wheel to wheel duel and the other driver crashed on the final turn. The crowd went crazy. As did Mansells pit crew. Nascar is another. As is MotoGp, where there are roars from a crowd if a rider slides off allowing another popular rider to pass. The problem is in your own heads. If you link this to wanting a rider/driver to be hurt, that's your own problem. If you have negative thoughts that riders are going to be hurt every time they slide off, that's your own problem. There will be a very very small minority who take pleasure if an opposing rider is hurt, that's a different story entirely and quite rightly should be condemned.. but the initial cheer, that's just passion and the sport needs more of it. Edited October 9, 2013 by BWitcher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 im not saying fans are cheering because a rider may be injured. im not daft enough not to realise its because there team is gaining an advantage. just think it shouldnt be done unless we know the guy that has fallen off is ok. if i cheered the fact my team is now on a 5-1 and not a 4-2 as the guy in second slid into the fence, i would feel disgusted if that rider had say broke his back like Havvy did. its wrong to cheer when someone falls off. this isnt aimed at Poole fans. im an ipswich fan and we have our idiots who cheer this to and the are in the wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 im not saying fans are cheering because a rider may be injured. im not daft enough not to realise its because there team is gaining an advantage. just think it shouldnt be done unless we know the guy that has fallen off is ok. if i cheered the fact my team is now on a 5-1 and not a 4-2 as the guy in second slid into the fence, i would feel disgusted if that rider had say broke his back like Havvy did. its wrong to cheer when someone falls off. this isnt aimed at Poole fans. im an ipswich fan and we have our idiots who cheer this to and the are in the wrong Then you have the problem, not others. YOU feel disgusted. YOUR issue. If you weren't wishing the rider harm you have nothing to feel disgusted about. End of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 If that's what Ford said then he is obviously an egomaniac as well as a fool As for last night Poole thoroughly deserved their victory against a very poor Birmingham side. Poole have proved to be the strongest and most determined side in the Play Off's and once again have proved Mr Shovlar wrong. It was a shame though that the meeting was so boring, obviously not helped by that 'cow pat' of a track.. Oh its the tracks fault now Like most thought track was very good, nice bit a dirt and grip. Should of suited bomber and barker well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Oh its the tracks fault now Like most thought track was very good, nice bit a dirt and grip. Should of suited bomber and barker well. Nothing wrong with the track. Poole simply much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Then you have the problem, not others. YOU feel disgusted. YOUR issue. If you weren't wishing the rider harm you have nothing to feel disgusted about. End of. ok will agree to disagree. in my eyes its in bad taste to cheer a rider falling off Oh its the tracks fault now Like most thought track was very good, nice bit a dirt and grip. Should of suited bomber and barker well. Poole were by far the better side but the track is still awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 The track was a bit bumpy but better than at the gp challenge where Harris and Smolinski rode alot better, Harris was unlucky not to qualify and Smolinski got fourth, not the track at fault but the riders. It wouldn't surprise me if we won at Perry Barr too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 halifaxtiger ... an top class, ex-rider I spoke to recently who was at BV on the night of the Poole fiasco told me: "The track was bad from the start but just about rideable. The work carried out after heat 10 pushed it over the edge and after one more heat it was obvious that the meeting had to stop there and then." Now some might think that was deliberate sabotage but he didn't think so. The chances are that even if the meeting had continued Poole would only have gone on to win by more. Make of that what you will... Several weeks later, and that's the best you can come up with, dreary me. I doubt even Alistar Campbell would dare spin that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGP Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 It wont happen, viewing figures are very poor... VIEWING figures are better than last year, and have been good all season. I am sure Flagrag will also confirm this. As for SKY sticking with it, I did make it clear that in my view it depends very much on what the BSPA do. SKY can sign very late on, like for example when they signed-up the NFL not too long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Several weeks later, and that's the best you can come up with, dreary me. I doubt even Alistar Campbell would dare spin that. JUST recounting a conversation I had over the weekend with an ex-rider who didn't have an axe to grind either way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) JUST recounting a conversation I had over the weekend with an ex-rider who didn't have an axe to grind either way. You sure it wasn't Neil Middleditch??? or Geoff Mudge or Pete Smith or Odd Fossengen or Stefan Shovlaressen? Edited October 9, 2013 by salty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 ok will agree to disagree. in my eyes its in bad taste to cheer a rider falling off Poole were by far the better side but the track is still awful Well i walked the track and it looked good. Maybe on your TV it didnt lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) the type of crash is irrelevent is it not. each club has its idiots who cheer when a rider falls off. ban them from the stadium then. as for managers punching the air i very much doubt that! most managers are ex riders and they know the serious of it all. Cant imagine Havelock or Louis or Rosco cheering a rider falling off as all these guys have had bad crashes over the years. I saw Paul Muchene slid off and get killed at Hackney. Per Jonsson if i remember correctly was a fairly minor accident and he ended up in a wheelchair When Havvy broke his back he slid into the fence. poole fans are no worse then any other club. the fact is it is wrong Hmmm. Somerset management and riders in our play off meeting 2012 at Brough as both Robson and Lindgren fell in a twice run race. Edited October 9, 2013 by Tsunami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Hmmm. Somerset management and riders in our play off meeting 2012 at Brough as both Robson and Lindgren fell in a twice run race. Spot on. Pretty common practice. I'm also sure that none of the Somerset riders or management wanted to see Robson or Lindgren hurt either. Blimey Tsunami, we're agreeing on something again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 JUST recounting a conversation I had over the weekend with an ex-rider who didn't have an axe to grind either way. It wasn't 'other's' views we were hoping to get from you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Spot on. Pretty common practice. I'm also sure that none of the Somerset riders or management wanted to see Robson or Lindgren hurt either. Blimey Tsunami, we're agreeing on something again. To be fair they apologised later. In the first fall, it meant they had won, so cheering the second fall was a bit bad taste. There'es still hope for US yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 JUST recounting a conversation I had over the weekend with an ex-rider who didn't have an axe to grind either way. Fortunately not all speedway fans are that gullible. But if you wish to go on defending the indefensible then who are we to stop you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 It wasn't 'other's' views we were hoping to get from you! HAVE posted here before that I wasn't there and didn't even see it on television so cannot really comment ... other than to say does anyone seriously doubt that had the meeting continued Poole would have won by more than seven anyway? Fortunately not all speedway fans are that gullible. But if you wish to go on defending the indefensible then who are we to stop you. I WASN'T casting a personal view (see above) simply passing on what I was told over the weekend by someone who was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 ... other than to say does anyone seriously doubt that had the meeting continued Poole would have won by more than seven anyway? The point was that if the meeting hadn't started, which it shouldn't have) then Poole wouldn't have got any points because it wouldn't have been staged before cut off. It has happened before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 HAVE posted here before that I wasn't there and didn't even see it on television so cannot really comment ... other than to say does anyone seriously doubt that had the meeting continued Poole would have won by more than seven anyway? I WASN'T casting a personal view (see above) simply passing on what I was told over the weekend by someone who was there. missing the point im afraid. the track didnt change at all so: a) dont start the meeting call it off after it was obvious it was unraceable (thj fall?) the fact remains it was forced through to get a result in Pooles favour the speedway world knows that if Poole were not up by enough points after heat 10 then the attitudes inside the Poole camp would have been different. we certainly would have had the Poole manager saying the track was to dangerous to ride after the first running of heat 10 when Iversen fell but was fine to ride for a re-run. Middlo would have been all flustered if Poole was not enough in front and would have expected heat 11 to run. I expected you to sit on the fence! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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