Charlieboy Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Strange the way this has come about,Hoggy assembles the team then sacked !!!! The new promotion want to do things their way and rightly so as they have put the money in.I hope this wont divide the riders and management as it was hoggy who got them here in the first place.I feel the new set up would be better being truthfull with the supporters if they want our backing.Lets hope they've made the right decision.Good luck to the new management and team for the new season and thanks for hoggy putting the side together.Roll on march 27th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I am a little confused, as Mr Hoggard has left the Sheffield promotion then how can he continue as a member of the BSPA? Good question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boobs Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I am a little confused, as Mr Hoggard has left the Sheffield promotion then how can he continue as a member of the BSPA? Because he has a promoter's licence, one assumes. It is also quite likely the BSPA might not be delighted by the news of his departure from the club. As a MC member and a vital cog in organisation of their shared events, David Hoggart will (if he still wants to of course) be very much part of the BSPA set-up during 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) Right from the off there has been a certain curtain of mystery surrounding the "new consortium" who have taken over at Sheffield. Then after quite an amount of speculation Damien Bates was announced followed by the naming of Peter Mole & Simon Parker. A strange trio one might think, but each one has something to offer towards the running of a speedway club/team as did Dave Hoggard, who however much he was involved was never identified as one of the consortium!. Before they were named there was 'much a do' over team building and how it was difficult to negotiate deals with riders whilst the take over was not completed, yet two riders were named quite early on, a third was talking about his new kevlars and how he couldn't wait for the new season just after christmas and a fourth taken from Swindons Elite league team - but that was nothing to do with the new owners as I was told on this very thread. Well like a lot of others I think there is more to our new consortium than they are letting on (see my post 1189), but as another has already told me on here, let's wait and see! Edited March 7, 2014 by Steve55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Right from the off there has been a certain curtain of mystery surrounding the "new consortium" who have taken over at Sheffield. Then after quite an amount of speculation Damien Bates was announced followed by the naming of Peter Mole & Simon Parker. A strange trio one might think, but each one has something to offer towards the running of a speedway club/team as did Dave Hoggard, who however much he was involved was never identified as one of the consortium!. Before they were named there was 'much a do' over team building and how it was difficult to negotiate deals with riders whilst the take over was not completed, yet two riders were named quite early on, a third was talking about his new kevlars and how he couldn't wait for the new season just after christmas and a fourth taken from Swindons Elite league team - but that was nothing to do with the new owners as I was told on this very thread. Well like a lot of others I think there is more to our new consortium than they are letting on (see my post 1189), but as another has already told me on here, let's wait and see! I think their still is mystery; as posted earlier there is reputed to be a fourth member of the consortium; who is that and why have they kept their head down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Hoggy is gone, goodbye at LAST !!! Great move by promotion to be honest because Hoggy would have just held us back and if he does not agree with new promotion then sorry they are not going to keep you on board. Hoggy did not have a clue on how to bring fans in right from off because if anybody disagreed with him and machin he would say naff off to Belle Vue or something, great way to run a club so well done new promotion ! Sheffield Speedway is going to be a much better place to be. How bloody ungrateful can you get I think its fair to say that Dave Hoggart did not single handedly save Sheffield Speedway, but he did play a major part in it. He kept things going while there was the uncertainty about a takeover, signed riders regardless of that, put the consortium in place , dealt with all the issues surrounding their purchase and was the front man until recently. To say nothing less than 'good riddance' is appalling. The talk of a third party 'pulling the strings' is interesting, because Whisperer is usually correct. As Elephantman says, if there is such a person then the only reason they are hidden is because they have something to hide. To return to Hoggy, I would say that showing someone of his knowledge, contacts, experience, capability and passion the door could well be Sheffield's loss (please, please tell me that we won't have that clown on the mic who knows nothing about speedway instead) and, just possibly, someone else's gain. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 if the information i have is correct there is a fourth member of the consortium, and it is a very surprising name, dont think he has anything to hide as such, the name i have been told was there on Thursday night for everyone to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) if the information i have is correct there is a fourth member of the consortium, and it is a very surprising name, dont think he has anything to hide as such, the name i have been told was there on Thursday night for everyone to see. Just being there and not declaring an interest is in effect hiding. Clearly they are either: 1. Very shy 2. Someone of local repute 3. Are already involved in the sport and don't want to show their hand You're not changing your moniker to "The Fourth Man" are you? Edited March 8, 2014 by Elephantman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 My post 1044 - I was told 5 names; 4 have been correct, the other 1 unnamed so far. Today's Sheffield Star:- Sheffield’s axed boss is offered roles. David Hoggart could be in line for a dramatic move to one of Sheffield’s Premier League rivals after leaving Owlerton. The Tigers co-promoter, who played a major role in pulling together the club’s new consortium, has been axed by the club who say they want to do things their own way. Four clubs have made contact with Hoggart - two from the Elite League and two from Sheffield’s league. He said: “I’ve been touched by the amount of people who have been in touch and it has made me realise how many good friends I have.” On his Owlerton exit, he added: “I’m disappointed my services are no longer required and it would have been easier to accept had there been some discussion. Currently I am too upset to make any further constructive comment and would prefer to maintain a dignified silence.” Tigers consortium member Peter Mole has paid tribute to Hoggart, who has been with the club for over a decade either as promoter, manager or sponsor. He said: “David has been a loyal servant of the club, working tirelessly with Neil Machin during some difficult seasons. He played a big part in bringing the consortium together, which made this situation difficult. “We are working hard to take Sheffield to a brighter a future, and everything is positive. Whilst David has been a big part of the management here over recent seasons, we now have our own ideas.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 This really isn't good. It appears the new broom couldn't be bothered to talk with Hoggy: http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/other-sports/speedway/sheffield-s-axed-boss-is-offered-roles-1-6484591 Seems a bit scummy to me. The interesting thing is that Machin named the fourth man on the Rotherham Advertiser website earlier in the takeover talks but the article disappeared soon afterwards. He stated the three we definitely know about and the fourth as Rob Godfrey. Now if that is the case everything falls in to place. This is nothing to with Hoggy or his abilities and everything to do with the first reserve on the BSPA Management Committee. Who would that be.... Rob Godfrey. This is a good old fashioned power play. My understanding is you have to be a promoter to be on the MC get rid of Hoggy and you automatically get the big boys job! Did I say scummy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Duppcomic Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Im still thinking what I was thinking. Going for it Hoggy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Come to Newcastle Dave... If only as an announcer!!...Or if you're reading( and I know you do) Mr Dalby... Get your backside back!! Lol, it's just not the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted March 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Much as I feel for Dave Hoggart, and yes I am disappointed that the consortium deem him to be surplus to requirement. But my main objectives for the club this season were. (1) Someone who a group of people would takeover the club. (2) We have a decent team. (3) We have a team that will entertain me. And at the moment all those boxes have been ticked. Who runs the club is pretty much immaterial to me. Like I say I think it is sad to see Dave Hoggart been surplus to requirement, but when their are takeovers there does tend to be casualties and it appears that has happened to Dave. But the fact that there was people prepared to take the club on after spending the winter wondering whether I am going to have a team to support means that I am happy with the team to support and I feel a competitive team. Who the consortium is, is irrelevant to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) How bloody ungrateful can you get I think its fair to say that Dave Hoggart did not single handedly save Sheffield Speedway, but he did play a major part in it. He kept things going while there was the uncertainty about a takeover, signed riders regardless of that, put the consortium in place , dealt with all the issues surrounding their purchase and was the front man until recently. To say nothing less than 'good riddance' is appalling. The talk of a third party 'pulling the strings' is interesting, because Whisperer is usually correct. As Elephantman says, if there is such a person then the only reason they are hidden is because they have something to hide. To return to Hoggy, I would say that showing someone of his knowledge, contacts, experience, capability and passion the door could well be Sheffield's loss (please, please tell me that we won't have that clown on the mic who knows nothing about speedway instead) and, just possibly, someone else's gain. awww so sorry but like the new promotion,they found out Hoggy just likes to think he is a main player as he plays with other peoples money, they found him out and did the right thing and booted him out, And to add i am only ever grateful to Machin who put his money into this great club and now the new promotion also. Sheffield Speedway will be a much better place now for many fans who like to distance themselves from promoters instead of becoming their friend and like you above being bitter once your friend has been found out and kicked out. When you tell fans to go support another club when having a different opinion to them is not a way to run a business and i was suprised with Machin letting him get so hands on to be honest. Edited March 8, 2014 by AndyK 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) awww so sorry but like the new promotion,they found out Hoggy just likes to think he is a main player as he plays with other peoples money, they found him out and did the right thing and booted him out, And to add i am only ever grateful to Machin who put his money into this great club and now the new promotion also. Sheffield Speedway will be a much better place now for many fans who like to distance themselves from promoters instead of becoming their friend and like you above being bitter once your friend has been found out and kicked out. When you tell fans to go support another club when having a different opinion to them is not a way to run a business and i was suprised with Machin letting him get so hands on to be honest. That is utter rubbish . What other sport will the custodians of a club openly disscuss club matters and fans concerns in a bar or on the terraces after the event is over for the day . You obviously have a personal grudge against Dave Hoggart and are using this forum to stick the boot in . I've found him very approachable and knowledgable and he has always nodded hello in my direction whenever i have been at Sheffield supporting Glasgow or at any other meeting where we both have been at . I just hope he is not lost to our sport . Edited March 8, 2014 by Paulco 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Much as I feel for Dave Hoggart, and yes I am disappointed that the consortium deem him to be surplus to requirement. But my main objectives for the club this season were. (1) Someone who a group of people would takeover the club. (2) We have a decent team. (3) We have a team that will entertain me. And at the moment all those boxes have been ticked. Who runs the club is pretty much immaterial to me. Like I say I think it is sad to see Dave Hoggart been surplus to requirement, but when their are takeovers there does tend to be casualties and it appears that has happened to Dave. But the fact that there was people prepared to take the club on after spending the winter wondering whether I am going to have a team to support means that I am happy with the team to support and I feel a competitive team. Who the consortium is, is irrelevant to me. It should be relevant; because if the Rotherham Advertiser article was correct a key member of the consortium is running Sheffield's biggest rivals. Not necessarily a problem but if what I have read is correct there is a certain lack of integrity over the way Hoggy's departure has been handled. Integrity is quite interesting, you either have it or you don't and if you don't there is no way of gaining it later on. I am not happy that the club I follow has behaved in the way it clearly has. It's almost like they have been running a dirty tricks campaign where their press release damns Hoggy with faint praise. Your post reminds me of so many Football supporters who don't care where the money comes from to buy success or who owns the club, as long as it is bought. awww so sorry but like the new promotion,they found out Hoggy just likes to think he is a main player as he plays with other peoples money, they found him out and did the right thing and booted him out, And to add i am only ever grateful to Machin who put his money into this great club and now the new promotion also. Sheffield Speedway will be a much better place now for many fans who like to distance themselves from promoters instead of becoming their friend and like you above being bitter once your friend has been found out and kicked out. When you tell fans to go support another club when having a different opinion to them is not a way to run a business and i was suprised with Machin letting him get so hands on to be honest. Clearly Machin had Hoggy deal with you at some time did he? I notice Montie likes your post; that's not a surprise really is it Edited March 8, 2014 by Elephantman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 I notice Montie likes your post; that's not a surprise really is it. Scummy Are you saying im Scum? take it easy Brother!!! Any reason why you did buy the club if you care so deeply about it? . The talk of a third party 'pulling the strings' is interesting, because Whisperer is usually correct. As Elephantman says, if there is such a person then the only reason they are hidden is because they have something to hide. I dont really buy the "something to hide part" many businesses up and down the country have sleeping partners,thats just the way it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romans lovechild Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 all the best to hoggy in whatever path he chooses to take, and thanks for the hard work put into Sheffield speedway down the years, I just think it is a shame that keyboard warriors are attacking a guy on here hiding behind their alias`, whether you like him or loathe him for whatever reason lets bid him farewell and good luck for the service put into running the tigers. GOOD LUCK AND THANKS HOGGY. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Not quite but it doesn't take a lot of looking through your posts and others responses to work that out. A bit like the post after yours looking like your unnamed shareholder, you know the one that is pulling the strings and the post after that looking like one of your sponsors. I think it was Elephantman that mentioned mishandled so carrying on your business under pseudonyms on a public forum is the way to go is it? Lol Bit of pot kettle black methinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Lol Bit of pot kettle black methinks must admit that was my take on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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