Swedes Off The Mark

[orion]

Perhaps not so much in terms of team personnel, but the fans should at least have an idea of what we can expect next year with the league structure, sky etc. Alot of people over the course of the season fork out alot of money following their clubs, so its not on for the promotors to treat fans like Mushrooms.

 

 

Why would a fan want or need to know before the end November ?

[PHILIPRISING]

MANY people now convinced that lack of communication from Sky is their answer. One Sky insider said "we tend to run down contracts we are not renewing and simply walk away."

 

They never actually told BSI/IMG that they were not renewing in as many words. Their actions spoke volumes and appear to be doing the same right now.

[salty]

MANY people now convinced that lack of communication from Sky is their answer. One Sky insider said "we tend to run down contracts we are not renewing and simply walk away."

 

They never actually told BSI/IMG that they were not renewing in as many words. Their actions spoke volumes and appear to be doing the same right now.

If that is the case, and I'm sure it probably is, one would like to think that GoSpeed would at least be pushing for an answer of any kind so that the sport can plan for 2014.

 

Any hope of BTSport being interested? Their live portfolio is based on Football and Rugby Union which leaves large gaps for their summer schedules. Though I can't imagine anybody watching the debacle at Belle Vue the other week would want to touch the sport with a barge pole.

[PHILIPRISING]

If that is the case, and I'm sure it probably is, one would like to think that GoSpeed would at least be pushing for an answer of any kind so that the sport can plan for 2014.

 

Any hope of BTSport being interested? Their live portfolio is based on Football and Rugby Union which leaves large gaps for their summer schedules. Though I can't imagine anybody watching the debacle at Belle Vue the other week would want to touch the sport with a barge pole.

 

I KNOW Go Speed are going down the same route as BSI/IMG last winter ... knocking on the Sky door but getting no answers. Usually that means the people behind the door simply hope you give up and go away.

 

BT? Doubt it right now because they and others simply don't rate the product very highly. Sad but true.

[tocha]

SEE that Swedish clubs are already formulating their 2014 teams with Darcy Ward to champions Piraterna just one example. Why oh why can't we get things sorted that quickly here?

 

A few reasons the first being Sweden's season has finished for 2013, our's hasn't. Secondly, they have a much more structured set-up with averages, salary caps etc in place already.

 

It is not all a bed of roses for our Scandinavian neighbours though. Each club in the Elitserien races at home only once a fortnight although I believe each has to field a junior side who, presumebly, race on the 'off Tuesdays.' There are eight clubs in the EL and the second, Alvenskan, has just grown to seven.

 

Anyway, the guy who knows the situation is 'Ghostwalker' He is a very helpful guy and posts here:-

http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=67537

[E I Addio]

Your find me ..clubs half the time don't even no they are going to run the next year intill this season ends ...as long as things get sorted before the end on November I don't see the problem or the rush to be honest ...it's bit like when every year Swindon fans moan about there season tickets not coming before xmas when the season starts in march

 

 

Correct. We have struggling PL clubs being told they have to spend £20,000 on an airfence, Swindon and Brum in financial problems plus Belle Vue late in paying away teams, Rick Frost not sure what he is going to do next year, Sheffield up for sale, Sky uncommitted plus whatever else we don't know about. Who knows how many clubs will run next year. I would say its very difficult to make firm plans until the season finishes.

 

No doubt many promoters have their teams pencilled in by this stage though, subject to whatever unfolds at the AGM.

 

 

[dave69]

SEE that Swedish clubs are already formulating their 2014 teams with Darcy Ward to champions Piraterna just one example. Why oh why can't we get things sorted that quickly here?

Because the sport is run by morons.

 

NOT for the first time it is the FIM not BSI who pay and determine the SGP prize money ...

 

 

 

IT is for all but four clubs in the Elite League ... and anyway why does that matter?

 

One big difference in Sweden, of course, is that once a rider's contract with a club is concluded he can move elsewhere. Hence Ward from Dackarna to Piraterna with no fee involved.

I'd love to see someone challenge the asset system in the courts.

[Hamish McRaker]

Any properly-organised business would be busy producing various models for 2014, based on NIL TV income, now.

The fact that the season has yet to end, is irrelevant.

May be the BSPA has done this, and is just keeping the alternatives to itself for now pending horse-trading.

But then again, maybe it hasn't......

[SteveLyric2]

If you really think that promoters haven't already looked at 'draft' proposals for next year, then you are really barking right up the wrong tree. Its what the BSPA pre-AGM is for - aside from the MC meetings. That's where the rumours of a better fixture list have come from - from 3 or 4 different Promoter sources! One of the problems will be getting all the proposals voted in at the AGM, as all EL and PL clubs have one equal vote each!

Edited September 25, 2013 by Skidder1

[Steve0]

If you really think that promoters haven't already looked at 'draft' proposals for next year, then you are really barking right up the wrong tree. Its what the BSPA pre-AGM is for - aside from the MC meetings. That's where the rumours of a better fixture list have come from - from 3 or 4 different Promoter sources! One of the problems will be getting all the proposals voted in at the AGM, as all EL and PL clubs have one equal vote each!

 

It's just that some promoters are more equal than others (adapted from George Orwell's Animal Farm)

[SteveLyric2]

It's just that some promoters are more equal than others (adapted from George Orwell's Animal Farm)

Nice try Steve0 - but it still doesn't give them more than one vote each - even the pigs!!

Edited September 25, 2013 by Skidder1

[Steve0]

 

Nice try Steve0 - but it still doesn't give them more than one vote each - even the pigs!!

 

What about the currency of bricks?

[Barney Rabbit]

I'd love to see someone challenge the asset system in the courts.

It's only a couple of teams, maybe only one, that spoke out against the asset system per se last year so why would someone challenge it in court? Very costly and no guarantee of winning.

[rob tatum]

SKY have seen the light & will not be showing league speedway next year they would prefer to show netball ,clay pidgeon shooting or anything other than the sport which has riders who put there lives on the line , fans who put up with crap facilities , sky high prices & promoters/owners who seem content with the sport going down the pan.

[LagutaRacingFan]

Sky have made no decision about the Elite League.

They will analyse the viewing figures for the play-off matches before making a firm decision.

 

So everybody tune in!

Sky don't like dealing with the BSI who over-value their product and now they have ended up with a small financial deal with Eurosport due to their arrogance.

 

So don't listen to Phillip Rising's brainwashing propaganda, Sky care about Speedway and I'm pretty sure they will renew.

[ABS]

It's only a couple of teams, maybe only one, that spoke out against the asset system per se last year so why would someone challenge it in court? Very costly and no guarantee of winning.

 

It could be a rider who challenges - like Bosman did in the football world. I'm sure that a self-employed person, like a speedway rider, would win the case.

[jimmy jimmy]

I APPLAUD your optimism but no one from Sky has even been prepared to talk about it... shades of how they dealt with the SGP contract last winter.

 

So of course the BSPA are talking to BT Sport?

[T.N.T.]

Regardless of Sky filming next season or not, the sport should run as a business and be cost effective and no longer can speedway in Brtain afford to have so many big names in one team and should be scaled down next year.

 

Personally I would like to see the points limit reduced to 35 points and any rider that doesn't start the 2014 season will have 10% added to their previous average to stop riders coming in at a later date on a false average. Wolverhampton for example would start with a team something like Tai Woffinden 9.23, Ty Proctor 5.78, Ricky Wells 5.37, Ludvig Lindgren 4.42, Jacob Thorssell 4.41, Pontus Aspgren 3.15 and Ashley Morris 2.36. (British rider can go as low as 2.00 while foreign riders cant go below 3.00.)

 

 

There will still be 90 points on offer each meeting and a number of riders will improve their averages, but instead of paying another superstar a four figure sum, the others should score more and pick up more money, but the wage bill should be cut to a more realistic figure and more palces would be available for riders to move up from the lower divisions.

 

 

Leicester could be moving up and there are a few other tracks that may move up if there was a 35 point limit like Edinburgh who would keep Craig Cook and be able to make them competative simply by signing one or two current EL riders while teams in the PL would still be able to have riders doubling up, but would have more spaces open for National League riders to move up.

 

 

Should SKY want to carry on, then tracks should then run at a profit and part of this should then go to safety improvements, stadium improvements, and the resources to help young riders break into the sport with some sort of academy for future years.

[TesarRacing]

I think an answer has already been given for this - by Tsunami I think - on another thread!!? Its to do with 'final accounts' for all clubs being available and approved! Not sure I totally agree with that, as I know of many 'national associations' that are membership-driven, that use 'projected' final figures at their AGM, which can then be adjusted slightly if necessary afterwards! I guess one of the big problems is how much the BSPA funds have had to be used to 'bail-out' clubs (or keep them going) and what the chances are of those funds being topped up again?! This is clearly being clouded by the additional uncertainty over the Sky contract/monies!!!

I don't think that can be the case. That would pre-suppose all the clubs year/ends were at the same time and I know for a fact that they aren't so having final up to date accounts would be meaningless.

[SteveLyric2]

Regardless of Sky filming next season or not, the sport should run as a business and be cost effective and no longer can speedway in Brtain afford to have so many big names in one team and should be scaled down next year.

 

Personally I would like to see the points limit reduced to 35 points and any rider that doesn't start the 2014 season will have 10% added to their previous average to stop riders coming in at a later date on a false average. Wolverhampton for example would start with a team something like Tai Woffinden 9.23, Ty Proctor 5.78, Ricky Wells 5.37, Ludvig Lindgren 4.42, Jacob Thorssell 4.41, Pontus Aspgren 3.15 and Ashley Morris 2.36. (British rider can go as low as 2.00 while foreign riders cant go below 3.00.)

 

 

There will still be 90 points on offer each meeting and a number of riders will improve their averages, but instead of paying another superstar a four figure sum, the others should score more and pick up more money, but the wage bill should be cut to a more realistic figure and more palces would be available for riders to move up from the lower divisions.

 

 

Leicester could be moving up and there are a few other tracks that may move up if there was a 35 point limit like Edinburgh who would keep Craig Cook and be able to make them competative simply by signing one or two current EL riders while teams in the PL would still be able to have riders doubling up, but would have more spaces open for National League riders to move up.

 

 

Should SKY want to carry on, then tracks should then run at a profit and part of this should then go to safety improvements, stadium improvements, and the resources to help young riders break into the sport with some sort of academy for future years.

So what would your solution be for the following year (2015), when all these riders have vastly inflated averages??