Bear_Bottom Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Redcar 53 Newcastle 37 ...to quote Nelson Muntz from the Simpsons 'Ha Ha!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 It has been mentioned that there were 2 exclusions for delaying the start can somone outline the circumstances and if a replacement or 15 penalty were allowed. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) It has been mentioned that there were 2 exclusions for delaying the start can somone outline the circumstances and if a replacement or 15 penalty were allowed. Thanks Summers replaced by Wilko. Kus went off 15. First instance, Summers moved and Tully touched the tapes. Tully Ex for that and Summers for delaying the start, replaced by Wilko. Second instance, Kus moved and Lindgren appeared to touch the tapes (others may be able to confirm this). Kus Ex for delaying start, no punishment for Lindgren. After being 9-3 up after 2 heats, I'm afraid we want our backsides kicking for not getting anything out of the meeting. When Kus went off 15mtrs Not only did he catch up, he actually overtook somebody. I don't think I've seen Kus overtake anybody before!! Edited September 27, 2013 by The Abbott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulk Hogan Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 There was a guy, just past the start tapes to the right of the ref box, who shouted after Rosen stayed down in Heat 15 "Get up you faggott!". Then "I'll say it again. Get up you faggott!" To which a section of the Redcar fans in that area laughed at. If it happened at Newcastle people would be all over it, so thought I'd give it a mention. Not good, brother, not good. As for the performance, when riders like Summers and Kus catch and overtake your riders from 15m, you know its a bad night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantodan Posted September 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Fizzle, phut! phut! Newcastle's season ends like the proverbial damp squib as I cannot see us beating Somerset in the play offs or Ipswich in the league cup 2nd leg. But I will turn up for the remaining home matches even if there proves to be "nothing at stake". Good luck to Redcar, why not do the same to Somerset! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear_Bottom Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 There was a guy, just past the start tapes to the right of the ref box, who shouted after Rosen stayed down in Heat 15 "Get up you faggott!". Then "I'll say it again. Get up you faggott!" To which a section of the Redcar fans in that area laughed at. If it happened at Newcastle people would be all over it, so thought I'd give it a mention. Not good, brother, not good. As for the performance, when riders like Summers and Kus catch and overtake your riders from 15m, you know its a bad night. Yes I heard that and it was out of order but don't kid yourself...'If it happened at Newcastle people would be all over it,' When Redcar last visited Newcastle we got so much abuse from the Newcastle fans who stand near the refs box it was ridiculous. To cap it all they laughed at Redcar riders falling while someone was stood selling wristbands in aid if Ricky Ashworth! So let's not start this one again eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Yes I heard that and it was out of order but don't kid yourself...'If it happened at Newcastle people would be all over it,' When Redcar last visited Newcastle we got so much abuse from the Newcastle fans who stand near the refs box it was ridiculous. To cap it all they laughed at Redcar riders falling while someone was stood selling wristbands in aid if Ricky Ashworth! So let's not start this one again eh? you can't stand next to the refs box now and haven't been able too all season.... So are you sure you're not fabricating the truth or remembering things from a few seasons ago...?? But we won't go into the t!t for tat of your fans shouting hope your dead etc?? Thought not... My mams bigger than your mam ffs. Edited September 27, 2013 by Arson fire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondsRock Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) When Redcar last visited Newcastle we got so much abuse from the Newcastle fans who stand near the refs box it was ridiculous. Diddums. Quite an achievement considering that it's been fenced off all season. Edited September 27, 2013 by DiamondsRock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolypolygoly Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Where did that ref find the new rule from, First two heats two riders got flyers, race stopped all four back, the two 15 metre penalties were because two riders rolled forward at tapes, did not touch them, tapes did not go up, ref ruled they were delaying the start.,hence 15 m, so if they delayed the start, didnt the flyers in ht 1 and 2 do the the same thing, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Where did that ref find the new rule from, First two heats two riders got flyers, race stopped all four back, the two 15 metre penalties were because two riders rolled forward at tapes, did not touch them, tapes did not go up, ref ruled they were delaying the start.,hence 15 m, so if they delayed the start, didnt the flyers in ht 1 and 2 do the the same thing, I think (but don't have a rulebook to hand) that it is down to the referees descretion. I would think, those who got flyers were moving/rolling as the tapes went up. The others moved before the tapes went up and other riders subsequently touched the tapes, therefore they are deemed (in the referees opinion) to have 'delayed the start.' Hopefully someone will have a rulebook and tell us if I am correct or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) I think (but don't have a rulebook to hand) that it is down to the referees descretion. I would think, those who got flyers were moving/rolling as the tapes went up. The others moved before the tapes went up and other riders subsequently touched the tapes, therefore they are deemed (in the referees opinion) to have 'delayed the start.' Hopefully someone will have a rulebook and tell us if I am correct or not! Here you go 15.3.4 The following are Starting Offences; (a) failing to proceed directly to the Starting Area or otherwise delaying the start of a Heat, b not being ready to race or deemed to be under the jurisdiction of the Start Marshal at the expiry of the 2-minute allowance, © taking up the wrong position, (d) not complying with the Start Marshal instructions, (e) by any means wrongly preventing the raising of the gate or (f) for a Rider or Rider’s machinery or any part of it to touch or break the tapes after the Green Starting Light has been displayed. Edited September 27, 2013 by northyorksbear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear_Bottom Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 you can't stand next to the refs box now and haven't been able too all season.... So are you sure you're not fabricating the truth or remembering things from a few seasons ago...?? But we won't go into the t!t for tat of your fans shouting hope your dead etc?? Thought not... My mams bigger than your mam ffs. Oh for God's sake...do you want me to measure how many feet away I was stood...yes it was fenced off...yes I wasn't stood right in front of the referee...no it wasn't a fabrication...ask the bloke I embarassed into buying a Ricky Ashworth wristband because of his behaviour. My point was...which you are now perpetuating...was... let's drop it! Jeezzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Summers replaced by Wilko. Kus went off 15. First instance, Summers moved and Tully touched the tapes. Tully Ex for that and Summers for delaying the start, replaced by Wilko. Second instance, Kus moved and Lindgren appeared to touch the tapes (others may be able to confirm this). Kus Ex for delaying start, no punishment for Lindgren. After being 9-3 up after 2 heats, I'm afraid we want our backsides kicking for not getting anything out of the meeting. When Kus went off 15mtrs Not only did he catch up, he actually overtook somebody. I don't think I've seen Kus overtake anybody before!! thank you abbott. mustve been something in the air last night! At Foxhall though Tungate was excluded (2 fliers) and no substitute allowed. Warning was announced to the crowd but delivered to Lawson by marshall so Tungate unaware! some excelkent starts were pulled back whilst other blatent jumps were let go. Warnings were haphazard in both award of and delivery! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Here you go 15.3.4 The following are Starting Offences; (a) failing to proceed directly to the Starting Area or otherwise delaying the start of a Heat, b not being ready to race or deemed to be under the jurisdiction of the Start Marshal at the expiry of the 2-minute allowance, © taking up the wrong position, (d) not complying with the Start Marshal instructions, (e) by any means wrongly preventing the raising of the gate or (f) for a Rider or Rider’s machinery or any part of it to touch or break the tapes after the Green Starting Light has been displayed. Cheers for that. So I guess Kus and Summers were 'done' under (e), as they moved forward the ref couldn't press the button. Of course he could have, but chose not to! Had he done so, he could have warned the said riders for moving, but chose to exclude them. The only thing is of course, if Lindgren did touch the tapes (as I thopught he did) he should have gone as well, as Tully had been, a few heats earlier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) To To T Here you go 15.3.4 The following are Starting Offences; (a) failing to proceed directly to the Starting Area or otherwise delaying the start of a Heat, b not being ready to race or deemed to be under the jurisdiction of the Start Marshal at the expiry of the 2-minute allowance, © taking up the wrong position, (d) not complying with the Start Marshal instructions, (e) by any means wrongly preventing the raising of the gate or (f) for a Rider or Rider’s machinery or any part of it to touch or break the tapes after the Green Starting Light has been displayed. In my opinion this is rule that needs to be applied to try and stop all unsatisfactory starts and "flyers" 15.3.1 Riders must not prepare their Starting area by turning the bike in a clock-wise direction. The Start Marshal will bring the Riders to the tapes in an orderly fashion. The front wheel must be within 75mm of the tapes and all parts of the motorcycle and Rider’s limbs must be within the marked Grid (nb. lines are neutral and do not form part of the Start Grid) and all ignition cut-out lanyards must be operative. If all riders are within 75mm then they can't move forward to gain advantage without real risk of touching tapes. sadly 75mm is never applied, watch next GP or Elite league match - riders starting positions are all over and most pull back after starting marshall moves away!! Cheers for that. So I guess Kus and Summers were 'done' under (e), as they moved forward the ref couldn't press the button. Of course he could have, but chose not to! Had he done so, he could have warned the said riders for moving, but chose to exclude them. The only thing is of course, if Lindgren did touch the tapes (as I thopught he did) he should have gone as well, as Tully had been, a few heats earlier! I think they were done under the refs interpretation of a, but I agree with you why couldn't he press button then give warning. I also feel Kus was very unlucky, as it appeared to me bike was pulling him to tapes straight away and he angled front wheel to avoid touching tapes, not trying to "cheat" or if you want politically correct - gain an advantage. Which I think Summers, Tully & Lindgren (plus Kerr and Wilkinson from early heats )had done Edited September 27, 2013 by northyorksbear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmiddlesbrough Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 There was a guy, just past the start tapes to the right of the ref box, who shouted after Rosen stayed down in Heat 15 "Get up you faggott!". Then "I'll say it again. Get up you faggott!" To which a section of the Redcar fans in that area laughed at. If it happened at Newcastle people would be all over it, so thought I'd give it a mention. Not good, brother, not good. As for the performance, when riders like Summers and Kus catch and overtake your riders from 15m, you know its a bad night. Sigh I wondered when the typical jawdee sour grapes would appear. I can name you 20 + who will not set foot in your place these days because or your so called fans and these are people who travel the length of the country to watch speedway. Same auld crap comments from the same old people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 thank you abbott. mustve been something in the air last night! At Foxhall though Tungate was excluded (2 fliers) and no substitute allowed. Warning was announced to the crowd but delivered to Lawson by marshall so Tungate unaware! some excelkent starts were pulled back whilst other blatent jumps were let go. Warnings were haphazard in both award of and delivery! Might learn him to sit his backside still then at the tapes , you seem to have overlooked the rolling start from none other than the saint himself Barker in heat 13 still karma prevailed in heat 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Sigh I wondered when the typical jawdee sour grapes would appear. I can name you 20 + who will not set foot in your place these days because or your so called fans and these are people who travel the length of the country to watch speedway. Same auld crap comments from the same old people. looks to me like several have said well done Redcar?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantodan Posted September 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Referees must hate meetings being video'd as we can all see their mistakes over and over again. I would say that in modern times most starts are fair. Harking back to the 1960s I have memories of Ivan Mauger rolling at the starts he was a great rider and often got blatant flyers as referees tried so hard to catch him out, they usually failed to catch Ivan out. My biggest gripe this season is when the red lights come on following a rider who has anticipated the start well and made a perfect start and the ref says "unsatisfactory". Starting will always be an issue and some refs get it wrong as they are only human. If money was "no problem" we could install start line equipment like tennis and now football but as speedway needs to operate at as low a cost as possible we are stuck with refs and their human frailties. Maybe our start marshalls should be linked to the ref via headsets and between then decide on unsatisfactory starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Might learn him to sit his backside still then at the tapes , you seem to have overlooked the rolling start from none other than the saint himself Barker in heat 13 still karma prevailed in heat 15 Not at all - you must read carefully. I said good starts pulked back and some fliers let go. I didnt apportion either scenario to a particular side. Worky were better than the Witches last night and deserved their win. By karma I presume you mean Lawsons flier in 15! wink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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