manchesterpaul Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) Watching the play-offs on Sky right now - 1am in the morning (maybe if we can't have live speedway on Sky we can have an 'as live' EVERY race programme as it's great to see the meeting zoom through). I've just seen Thomas H Jonasson have a right pearler of a crash. Am i right in thinking that this rider has way more than his fair share of crashes and often quite spectacular ones? I've seen him crash in the same manner more than once in the Swedish Elitserien meetings on Premier Sports as well as on Sky. I know the averages pages on Sportowefakty include how many falls a rider has but was wondering if any fans are aware of riders they deem to be involved in the most crashes? Also what are the likely reasons they are? Is it simply wild riding as in overriding beyond their skill and control levels? Wheel chasing their opponents all the time? Slow reaction time when something goes wrong? Slow reaction to a move by an opponent? Lack of strength to control the bike and it's bucking and rearing on encountering unexpected grip? Slowness to react it's bucking and rearing on encountering unexpected grip? I can see in the above sample of scenarios that a rider who has higher levels of skill, experience, strength or reaction time will avoid ending up falling. So i ask not only which rider/s do you reckon have or are involved in the most falls but also WHY? Edited September 24, 2013 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Im thinking Luke Chessell has to fall more than the average, many times i have seen him fall off twice in the same race, in Lukes case most of it i think, is simply trying to hard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Chris schramm and wilko are always good for a fall per meeting.... Why??..... Because they are mad?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Jack Kingston has to be the current most frequent faller-offerer...but he's good box office tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 In the 'good old days' - just after WW2 for me - it was the West Ham riders Phil 'King of Crash' Bishop and Jack 'Crash A Day' Cooley who seemed to have most crashes. But these could have been hyped by the National Press who then used to give lots of space to speedway on their sports pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 ollie allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted September 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Chris schramm and wilko are always good for a fall per meeting.... Why??..... Because they are mad?? Chuckle Chuckle only forgiveable reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommer Mon Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I have to agree with GreyhoundP's Luke Chessell call. He's a good lad and a great gater but I have no idea why he comes off so often. It could be overtrying, who know's. I know Jan O was trying to help in his short time with the Heathens but I think he still had the same problem with Stoke earlier this year. It is a pity because he certainly puts 100% effort into every race and if he could find a solution he could make NL Heatleader standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 THJ? everytime I've seen poole on sky you can guarantee he won't complete a meeting without falling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Personally I think this type of thread is unwarranted. Unfortunately every rider has there fair share of spills for one reason or another and some come of worse than others, for any of the forum members to speculate as to why is ridiculous. Think about what you are asking regarding why they fall off and some of the terrible scenarios that befall the riders when they do. I should not need to expand further and will not. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Personally I think this type of thread is unwarranted. Unfortunately every rider has there fair share of spills for one reason or another and some come of worse than others, for any of the forum members to speculate as to why is ridiculous. Think about what you are asking regarding why they fall off and some of the terrible scenarios that befall the riders when they do. I should not need to expand further and will not. I think its perfectly valid topic, after all, NO rider falls off on purpose, as opposed to being knocked off, which is a completely different aspect. Right now young Nathan Greaves is going through a bad patch, but that looks to me a combination of trying to hard, and a lack of confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Jack Kingston has to be the current most frequent faller-offerer...but he's good box office tbh in the couple of meetings that ive seen jack .i think his bravery is far greater than his ability but thats down to his inexperiance having just started racing. in a couple of years time if he can stay injury free i think he could make a decent rider.but in the meantime he does look a bit wild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 One of the thing's we were told when starting out in speedway was, if your not falling off your not trying hard enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted September 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Personally I think this type of thread is unwarranted. Unfortunately every rider has there fair share of spills for one reason or another and some come of worse than others, for any of the forum members to speculate as to why is ridiculous. Think about what you are asking regarding why they fall off and some of the terrible scenarios that befall the riders when they do. I should not need to expand further and will not. Each to their own opinion and i disagree strongly with you and personally i think the thread is perfectly warranted and certainly not ridiculous. One of the reasons i was asking why is to see if there is one reason more than another. TV commentators and the sport's own journalists have also rightly been contemplating what has led to an apparent increase in riders falling in recent years. For example, as i asked, is it that some riders can't control their bikes or react fast enough to something happening. I couldn't help but note that Thomas H Jonasson be it by sheer chance or an actual specific reason does seem to fall a lot, so i was wondering which other riders suffer the same. As for terrible scenarios that happen when riders fall off, well all the more reason for discussing the matter. If there was a rider who was a danger to others as well as himself it should be discussed. I don't particularly have anyone in mind regards that aspect, Mind you i do remember when i was little in the 70's and the Russian riders seemed to come out of the Kamikaze speedway training school. I think its perfectly valid topic, after all, NO rider falls off on purpose, as opposed to being knocked off, which is a completely different aspect. Right now young Nathan Greaves is going through a bad patch, but that looks to me a combination of trying to hard, and a lack of confidence. Agree strongly it's a perfectly valid topic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 (edited) Auty and or Birks? Edited September 25, 2013 by barrow boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Adam Kirby ,, never his fault either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skthecat Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Adam Roynon seems to be a crash magnet, cannot believe the number of crashes that poor lad has been involved in.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Wilkinson. End of topic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Auty and or Birks? Certainly at Leicester!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Wilkinson. End of topic. Absolutely right! For a rider of his experience it's a bit strange. When he dropped to reserve a lot of people said he would be just as big a scorer as Dyer, but he throws away loads of points through falls and sub-standard equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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