david2905 Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Why only after the meeting ?, I doubt we are going to end up in a drunken riot if it was on all night. Saving a quid on an extra drink I woulden't normally have isn't enough temptation to stay after applauding the rider post heat 15. As for alleged foul play with Woofy, isn't the first and won't be the last under the current BSPA farce, why make a big deal about a drop in the ocean whihc frankly will have little effect in this context. Edited September 27, 2013 by david2905 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Actually laughing at the apparent conspiracy re Tai!! Meeting hasnt happened yet and theres conspiracies. Speedway fans really a rare breed (not in a good way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Did we climb out of bed the wrong side today David? Talk about promotion being a dying art, the art of gratitude seems to be dead buried and eaten by the worms already, isn't it? There was no compulsion for the gaffers to come up with this gesture. There's nothing in it for them really, and even less in it for the GRA, and yet all that they get is more moaning. As I understand it, the offer was negotiated with no bargaining chips at all. The GRA who control the bar prices were persuaded to offer something up...and they were kind enough to push the boat out to some extent. They didn't have to. There would have been no sanction against them if they hadn't played ball. All in all I think that the promotion's ability to get something for nothing here is to be commended. If the offer's no good for you, there's no obligation for your to accept it. You don't need to come all "attitude" over it. You'd wonder why anyone would want to be a promoter, with a lack of gratitude like this stacked on top of the financial losses that they incur to keep the club running. Edited September 27, 2013 by uk martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moorski Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Good result for Brum at Wolves but with only 2 points in it this Semi Final is still in the balance,Whilst I fancy Brum to come through it I reckon that Wolves will give them a run for their money unless all the Brummies riders hit form on the night, usually a couple are inconsistent at a time. Come on the Brummies & Good Luck to Tai in his World Title bid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 With all due respect to this hanging Tai for not riding Monday, as he actually said that? Remember when he hurt it in the Summer, he rode the SGP then rode for his Polish and British clubs the following two days, at the time he said it would be disrespectful for him to ride for himself and not for his clubs. A very mature thing to do and say. So, lets wait to see if Tai rides Monday before slagging him for riding at the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 With all due respect to this hanging Tai for not riding Monday, as he actually said that? Remember when he hurt it in the Summer, he rode the SGP then rode for his Polish and British clubs the following two days, at the time he said it would be disrespectful for him to ride for himself and not for his clubs. A very mature thing to do and say. So, lets wait to see if Tai rides Monday before slagging him for riding at the weekend. I'm leaving Tai out of this. He'll do what he's told by his manager - Peter Adams! It's the wheeler-dealing in the murky waters that is what's bothering me. Whether Tai rides on Sunday or not is somewhat irrelevant. It's the dodgy arrangements being made that matter here. Who's "hanging" Tai then? The duplicity of standards is what I'm having a go at. Not Tai. Check my posts. I'm wishing him well on a personal level. What get's me is that Poole get castigated for Ford / Middle-Stump bending and breaking the rules to suit Poole Speedway, and yet CVS / Adams can wrap the rule book around their little fingers on behalf of the Wolves and get away with it? Different thing altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Who's "hanging" Tai then? The duplicity of standards is what I'm having a go at. Not Tai. Check my posts. I'm wishing him well on a personal level. What get's me is that Poole get castigated for Ford / Middle-Stump bending and breaking the rules to suit Poole Speedway, and yet CVS / Adams can wrap the rule book around their little fingers on behalf of the Wolves and get away with it? Different thing altogether. What exactly are you worried about ? Brummies have won the first leg and will progress with ease into the final. Personally on this occasion I have no problem whatsoever with Woffinden riding Sunday and missing Monday. We are out of the play-offs and have no chance, and a Woffinden appearance won't change that in the slightest. On the other hand he is on the brink of an absolutely amazing and historic achievement for a British rider with a triple of British, European and World titles to his name in the same season. Go for it Tai! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Did we climb out of bed the wrong side today David? Talk about promotion being a dying art, the art of gratitude seems to be dead buried and eaten by the worms already, isn't it? There was no compulsion for the gaffers to come up with this gesture. There's nothing in it for them really, and even less in it for the GRA, and yet all that they get is more moaning. As I understand it, the offer was negotiated with no bargaining chips at all. The GRA who control the bar prices were persuaded to offer something up...and they were kind enough to push the boat out to some extent. They didn't have to. There would have been no sanction against them if they hadn't played ball. All in all I think that the promotion's ability to get something for nothing here is to be commended. If the offer's no good for you, there's no obligation for your to accept it. You don't need to come all "attitude" over it. You'd wonder why anyone would want to be a promoter, with a lack of gratitude like this stacked on top of the financial losses that they incur to keep the club running. Martin, I'm well aware it's the GRA who are do to with the "refreshments" at PB and the club have little say in it, it's fair to say I don't think much of the standard and price of the catering shall we say, now they are talking about an offer which isn't actually an offer wherer 99% of people are concerned, how many people are left in the stadium more than 10 mins after heat 15 ?. You'll notice I haven't criticised the club directly because I know they have limited/no say on this, however it strikes me, that an offer to spend 30% less on a post match drink most people don't normally have, would still cost them more than a normal meeting, surely it would make more sense to have the reduction all night and the extra drinks sold would more than make up for the lost revenue. Long story short, strikes me as a "special offer" that isn't very special when you look into it, the Perry Barr catering is generally overpriced and of a low quality, which the GRA (not the Brummies, take note), should still recieve criticism for and not be immune from due to a lip service offer which isn't that brilliant. Edited September 27, 2013 by david2905 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Why isn't Tai riding - if he's in the European meeting on Sunday, as is being suggested in a number of reports?? Where is it confirmed he is riding at all over the weekend?? I would be hugely surprised if he risks riding at all before Torun. Think it is a huge risk if he decides to compete in the European Championship IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Losing Jacob & Tai have pretty much ruined the end of the season for me. We should have replaced Ty much earlier and had time to adjust the team but things just didnt seem to work out. Best of luck to the Brummies in the final! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Where is it confirmed he is riding at all over the weekend?? I would be hugely surprised if he risks riding at all before Torun. Think it is a huge risk if he decides to compete in the European Championship IMHO. Of course he going to ride in the Euro championship ..yet another rider who put himself before the club ..it's amazing that fans would rather see a rider do well for themselves rather than see there club do well . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Where is it confirmed he is riding at all over the weekend?? Scroll back a couple of pages. KKS posted a link to a Polish web site that states it. SportoweFakty are usually quite accurate with their information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 What get's me is that Poole get castigated for Ford / Middle-Stump bending and breaking the rules to suit Poole Speedway, and yet CVS / Adams can wrap the rule book around their little fingers on behalf of the Wolves and get away with it? Different thing altogether. Just what are Wolves `trying to get away with?` Of course he going to ride in the Euro championship ..yet another rider who put himself before the club ..it's amazing that fans would rather see a rider do well for themselves rather than see there club do well . No doubt you will retract that statement if he doesn't ride................................. Scroll back a couple of pages. KKS posted a link to a Polish web site that states it. SportoweFakty are usually quite accurate with their information. I have the multi poster on ignore so wont see the link anyway. Still will be very surprised if he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 I will ...what are you going to say if he does and misses Monday ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 I'm leaving Tai out of this. He'll do what he's told by his manager - Peter Adams! It's the wheeler-dealing in the murky waters that is what's bothering me. Whether Tai rides on Sunday or not is somewhat irrelevant. It's the dodgy arrangements being made that matter here. The other way of looking at the situation is that Tai's manager has pulled Tai out of the Brummies meeting, but hasn't pulled him out of the SEC! Said manager who also works for CVS is in cahoots with CVS to secure a guest for Tai for Monday, knowing already that Tai won't be fit for then, but miraculously that he will be fit the day before. Said CVS who is on the BSPA Management Committee, because he knows best what's "in the best interests of British Speedway", has engineered the availability of NKI as a guest for Tai who may or may not aggravate an injury in the SEC on Sunday, but probably has a "doctors note" anyway, Would someone NOT on the BSPA MC have been able to find such favours? I'm sure that Gary Patchett, Rosco & Co at Swindon must be wondering how on earth heaven and hell can be moved for Tai in respect of his SEC commitments when all they could do when Hans Andersen was in an SEC qualifier, was employ Lewis Blackbird. Way I see it, it ain't just Matt Ford "playing to the rule book" is it? I don't see how it's in any way comparable to the Swindon/Hans issue. Tai is not riding on the same day. I see no issue, some times when returning to work after illness/injury you're giving light duties or allowed to return on a phased basis or just 2 or 3 days a week. I don't see how speedway riders doing this is any different. It's not like Wolves stand to gain from this, it's not like Tai stands to gain from it. It's not like Tai has a record of doing this (quite the opposite in fact). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 I see no issue, some times when returning to work after illness/injury you're giving light duties or allowed to return on a phased basis or just 2 or 3 days a week. I don't see how speedway riders doing this is any different. Of course speedway is different far as I know rightly or wrongly there no rule or law where it says you can return 2 or 3 days a week (pick and choose ) the bottom line is you are fit to ride or your not ...thou Wolves or Tai won't gain are be piss off if a Swindon rider choose to ride in this meeting rather than Monday what is what Tai looks like doing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 I will ...what are you going to say if he does and misses Monday ? I will be disappointed, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 I will be disappointed, obviously. Fair enough . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Who's "hanging" Tai then? The duplicity of standards is what I'm having a go at. Not Tai. Check my posts. I'm wishing him well on a personal level. What get's me is that Poole get castigated for Ford / Middle-Stump bending and breaking the rules to suit Poole Speedway, and yet CVS / Adams can wrap the rule book around their little fingers on behalf of the Wolves and get away with it? Different thing altogether. The situations you brought up aren't even comparable to this. Of course speedway is different far as I know rightly or wrongly there no rule or law where it says you can return 2 or 3 days a week (pick and choose ) the bottom line is you are fit to ride or your not ...thou Wolves or Tai won't gain are be piss off if a Swindon rider choose to ride in this meeting rather than Monday what is what Tai looks like doing . He isn't fit to ride per se as everyone knows. This is akin to Peter Collins, Kenny Carter, Sam Ermolenko riding with injuries in a meeting to pursue a title. The chance to become British, European and World Champion in the same season is something Tai does not want to pass up and rightfully so. The outcry in the past has been when riders have been blatantly taking the mickey so to speak just to miss out on bogey tracks. I suspect if required Tai would have no problems providing a medical note for Monday! Of course it could be all a plot by Wolves as they don't want the Worlds No 1 rider, captain and most insperational rider in the team. Edited September 27, 2013 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Do they have Tennents Super on draught in the bar at PB? I don't normally drink, but.............................. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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