Daniel Smith Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 This does get discussed quite a lot but in the last couple of weeks have become more prominent. The exhaust has taken a lot of flack for this but most of the crashes I've seen on TV and trackside it's been mainly riders coming together. My main question is really without banning the sport completely what can be done to make contact crashes safer??? Make neck braces compulsory?? Make air jackets compulsory?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 Sort the tyre issue and go back to the old silencers .... Scb will tell us it's not that, but riders I've spoken too and read on twitter say it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 Riders don't seem to move over anymore if someone is coming on their inside. Whilst I hope NKI is ok, I thought he turned left on Harris in heat 15, Harris was in front and hadn't moved off the kerb. A few crashes have been like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 Track craft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 Riders don't seem to move over anymore if someone is coming on their inside. Whilst I hope NKI is ok, I thought he turned left on Harris in heat 15, Harris was in front and hadn't moved off the kerb. A few crashes have been like that you watched a different race to me then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 Only ONE thing is causing a heck of a lot of these Crashes - 'Lay Down' Engines. I've always said this and now, no lesser person than Barry Briggs agrees with me. He reckons that they make the Bikes harder to control. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 Only ONE thing is causing a heck of a lot of these Crashes - 'Lay Down' Engines. I've always said this and now, no lesser person than Barry Briggs agrees with me. He reckons that they make the Bikes harder to control. its not one of his products then?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 you watched a different race to me then To be fair, I thought Iversen did turn left but that's another thread discussion. There is an issue with the exhaust but my concern and reasoning is with protecting the rider's themselves. When you see what they have to wear as a minimum requirement I'm surprised there isn't even more serious consequences. Someone may be on to something with rider's be closer and more unwilling to move. With the gradual improvements in safety have rider's become more trusting of their opposition?? Forget about the machinery, there must be better personal protection for these guys out there than what is already a minimum requirement. This is what I want to dig into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 its not one of his products then?? No. :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTM Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) Two points concerning tonights meeting at Wolves Pt 1 I also think Nils riding style caused the crash with Chris as he has a tendency to go in hard then lock back when into the bend as has already been said Chris was on the inside as they got to the apex and if you slow it down chris keeps a straight line as Nils turns into him IMO causing the crash . Pt 2 having seen the crash what planet was Lindgren on in the rerun out of last corner blatantly turning across Jason Doyle trying to slow him up for Adam Skornicki to get the 5 1 a very dangerous move as was proved by the reaction of Jason on the slow down lap resulting in Freddie being dumped on his arse which he thoroughly deserved .The horrendous amount of serious crashes we have had this year could have been added to with ease .I know riders have done this system of slowing opposing riders down for years but there is a safe way which wasn,t what I saw tonight . Edited September 24, 2013 by FTM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Perhaps it is a couple of things. 1. The number of meetings the international riders are being involved in and needing to make a living, means probability tells you an accident will happen at some point, i.e. luck runs out. 2. Due to social media, i.e. Facebook, this forum, Twitter, information is circulated quickly and with in-depth detail, whereas, yesteryear if it wasn't covered in the speedway press, nobody knew about an injury or even if it was covered, could easily be missed. Therefore, I am suggesting on the second point, perhaps the same number of injuries happened yesterday as they do today? Just a couple of thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 This is pure speculation but could the "softer" landing of an air fence sub conciously lead to riders making moves they wouldn't have done in years gone by. I don't think for one moment that a rider thinks "if I crash I'll end up in the bouncy castle" but subconciously knowing the fence isn't solid etc might play a part in the split second they decide if there is enough room to squeeze past an opponent, with the result that there are more crashes. I think it's secondary to the bike changes but worth a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 To me tyres is the big thing. They are the rider single point of contact between bike and the ground. Get them right will surely help things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 This is pure speculation but could the "softer" landing of an air fence sub conciously lead to riders making moves they wouldn't have done in years gone by. I don't think for one moment that a rider thinks "if I crash I'll end up in the bouncy castle" but subconciously knowing the fence isn't solid etc might play a part in the split second they decide if there is enough room to squeeze past an opponent, with the result that there are more crashes. I think it's secondary to the bike changes but worth a thought. i dont think this true .maybe before a meeting you might notice the fence and think it but when in a race the fence dosent exsist and neither does crashing .if either does your in the wrong game. all that matters is winning. its a different story away from the track when common sense kicks in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Only ONE thing is causing a heck of a lot of these Crashes - 'Lay Down' Engines. I've always said this and now, no lesser person than Barry Briggs agrees with me. He reckons that they make the Bikes harder to control. I assume the robbing old dog has found a pile of uprights somewhere that he wants to stick his name on and sell , what does he know about laydowns he hasn't rideen properly for 40 years , a 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skthecat Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Hmmmmm... Could it be that that riders of different abilities, but near enough equally quick bikes are racing in the same confined space? The lesser ability riders are not able to "get out of jail" when put there by man or machine? What do you reckon.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I assume the robbing old dog has found a pile of uprights somewhere that he wants to stick his name on and sell , what does he know about laydowns he hasn't rideen properly for 40 years , a So you are saying that you know better than Barry Briggs who has been involved with Speedway for most of his life. In this instance, I know whose views I would give the most credibility speedibee. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Has he ever ridden one though?? If so hes no more qualified than anyone else no matter how many years hes done in the sport. I no riders that have ridden both and dont think laydowns are any harder to control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Are there more crashes on Sky or Eurosport? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Are there more crashes on Sky or Eurosport? Not again pugwash. :rofl: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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