stevebrum Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 The called off meeting was agreed to by both clubs. As neither club is willing to explain why this happened it is unfair to assume Poole were in the wrong or were cheating in the matter. Lakeside`s own statement might just disagree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 (edited) I think Poole are making Swindon look better than they are, despite their midseason changes adding a bit more bite down the order, they are still woeful against half decent opposition outside the heatleaders, and Hancock not firing is largely the reason Swindon have one foot in the final. If as looks very likely, it turns out to be a Birmingham V Swindon final, I think a few will be surprised when neither side really pull away, both have strength down the order and are pretty evenly matched. From what I've seen this year, apart from Batchelor, we've got among and beat all other Swindon riders. Edited September 25, 2013 by david2905 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Poole haven't been the only team this year to be caught out by over complicated rules surrounding riders and rider replacement. Even Poole wouldn't intentionally use an illegal rider as it is inevitable that their points will be deducted, and quite rightly so. The called off meeting was agreed to by both clubs. As neither club is willing to explain why this happened it is unfair to assume Poole were in the wrong or were cheating in the matter. Once again, and for about the millioneth time please show us a link to an official statement from either side that says in terms that the call-off was agreed by both clubs. The facts are that Lakeside issued a statement saying that the decision was Poole's alone and Poole have never denied that to be the case. I think that we all realise that as far as the Poole Brainwashed Brigade are concerned the truth has a very tortuous journey between the eye and the brain so that by the time it enters the thought process mechanism it has been turned into evidence of Saint Matt's integrity but the reality, once again, is that even Svengali Ford himself has not said, in terms that Lakeside agreed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Aah I see the one who enjoys his 'enforced forum holiday breaks' is back and straight on a Poole thread!! Why is that not a surprise?! Lets see how long it lasts this time......? I'll give it a week. he just can't not stop posting his angry vitriol. I can imagine him now with a red face and fingers going ten to the dozen as he types his tripe. And what makes me laugh is that Poole made the playoffs, are one of the 4 top teams and still he persists in saying we have failed miserably. LOL! I think Poole are making Swindon look better than they are, despite their midseason changes adding a bit more bite down the order, they are still woeful against half decent opposition outside the heatleaders, and Hancock not firing is largely the reason Swindon have one foot in the final. If as looks very likely, it turns out to be a Birmingham V Swindon final, I think a few will be surprised when neither side really pull away, both have strength down the order and are pretty evenly matched. From what I've seen this year, apart from Batchelor, we've got among and beat all other Swindon riders. Swindon will win both legs easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Once again, and for about the millioneth time please show us a link to an official statement from either side that says in terms that the call-off was agreed by both clubs. Calm down, no need to cry about it... At the time of the postponement there was an update on the Poole Pirates website stating that this was a mutually agreed postponement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 (edited) Calm down, no need to cry about it... At the time of the postponement there was an update on the Poole Pirates website stating that this was a mutually agreed postponement. Must be true then. I have always had respect for Cook but it was disappointing that he failed to condemn the cancelled meeting particularly following the ruling from the BSPA that Poole should revert to their original 1-7. The bottom line is that the published regulations do not allow a meeting to be cancelled simply because it does not suit the promoters team building plans or, committed expenditure. Poole were aware of the risks they were taking when committing themselves to the apparent 20k cost of signing TJH and Pawlicki. How many times does it have to be explained so that some Poole die hards can grasp why so many are disgusted by the lack of action from the SCB. Edited September 25, 2013 by Aces51 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 I think Poole are making Swindon look better than they are, despite their midseason changes adding a bit more bite down the order, they are still woeful against half decent opposition outside the heatleaders, and Hancock not firing is largely the reason Swindon have one foot in the final. The main reason Poole struggle is because they have a woeful long wagging tail. Simple as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 (edited) All except the well run club bit I bet you can't. Just typical bluffing waffle. No fear of that happening. Middlo is tactically unaware. Ah the man wirth the little black book speaks. Clueless,. Edited September 25, 2013 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 The main reason Poole struggle is because they have a woeful long wagging tail. Simple as. You are correct but Holder would have definately got more than 9 on monday, Greg said he has struggled with set ups on tracks he hasn't ridden for years, in my view the Swindon lead would have been no more than 6 with Chris riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Makes me laugh how people think Poole haven't been hit by injuries! Ward and holder both out for huge periods of time.... No matter what you say holder would score more than Hancock!!! They shuffled the side to include THJ and pp and both of them suffered injuries not long after their debuts At least Poole do something about their injuries , yet wolves fans insist they've been decimated by injuries even though it's really only been proctor. Tais missed a few meets but not many. Wolves should of gone out and got a replacement ASAP when it was discovered proctor had done his back in instead they went for the cheap lazy option of rr then signing and out of form rider. They should of scouted Europe for a youngster, even Eastbourne done it with Mikkelson!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Any chance that we might be able to keep this thread on topic??!! Poole will do very well to keep the 2nd leg 'interesting'. Swindon are much stronger throughout and should be able to keep it closer than 10 points - if not actually win it! In any case, the script is already written for a Brummies v Robins final, cos they both are in desperate need of the money!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Any chance that we might be able to keep this thread on topic??!! Poole will do very well to keep the 2nd leg 'interesting'. Swindon are much stronger throughout and should be able to keep it closer than 10 points - if not actually win it! In any case, the script is already written for a Brummies v Robins final, cos they both are in desperate need of the money!!! I have said and still think the brummies will be play off champions especially with Harris back to form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirateandi Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Going to be a huge task for Poole. They looked average last night. Used 2 TR and still lost by 10. Swindon pushed them near last time and that was with PK missing And the Poole team is hugely different to the previous meeting ! A lot of Poole fans seem to be negative about our chances but I'm hopeful and think the guys can pull this off , 4-2 or 5-1 in the first heat to get things off to a good start to get everyone upbeat and I see it happening ! Though I respect swindons strength it'll definitely be great viewing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 I bet you can't. Just typical bluffing waffle. It was a joke (hence the emoticon) - lighten up the season's nearly over for one of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Makes me laugh how people think Poole haven't been hit by injuries! Ward and holder both out for huge periods of time.... No matter what you say holder would score more than Hancock!!! They shuffled the side to include THJ and pp and both of them suffered injuries not long after their debuts At least Poole do something about their injuries , yet wolves fans insist they've been decimated by injuries even though it's really only been proctor. Tais missed a few meets but not many. Wolves should of gone out and got a replacement ASAP when it was discovered proctor had done his back in instead they went for the cheap lazy option of rr then signing and out of form rider. They should of scouted Europe for a youngster, even Eastbourne done it with Mikkelson!! you cant say for sure what would have happened. the loss of Holder hasnt cost Poole any points since Greg rode.in fact you could always argue Gregs team riding has helped get points in races where Holder may have just cleared off. also in the heat 10 fiasco at belle vue who is to say Holder would have adapted as well as Greg did. it could be argued that the way Hancock rode that night got you into the play offs. correct that Holder is the better rider but it hasnt been that damaging to the points total. The injury to Ward allowed Poole to strengthen dont understand how Poole fans cant see this. The team WITH Holder and Ward was struggling to win matches that is fact. Ward injured in came THJ and Pawlicki. The 2 riders who can ride Sundays and Tuesdays but not Mondays!! And they didnt really have that long out with their injuries. In fact it enabled you to pick horses for courses at Eastbourne and Belle Vue thus getting important away points that you may not have got with them 2 riding. Wolves lost Freddie earlier in the season A season ending injury to , at the time , the best second string in the league in Proctor Tai riding at 80% since Cardiff and injured again A high scoring reserve, especially at home, in Thorssell How can you not say Wolves havent been decimated?????? And as for Kings Lynn there list is even worse !!! Darcys injury helped you strengthen Holders injury hasnt hit you that hard mainly in terms of pits morale. Hancocks performance at Belle Vue got you into the play offs. I agree that Wolves should have replaced Proctor but not every club has the win at all costs mentality of the fraudster or use chequebook speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Dix Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 And you can prove all that can you? Yes - , Tony Rickardson a few years back , throwing heat 13 on TV to prevent an old style tac sub being used in heat 14, Ryan Sullivan not crossing the line in one race to allow a tactical to be used by Poole in the following race, A match at Oxford where a heavy defeat was suffered after qualification for the play - offs, the match at Swindon a couple of years back when everyone knew what was happening, how much more proof do you want ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 And the Poole team is hugely different to the previous meeting ! A lot of Poole fans seem to be negative about our chances but I'm hopeful and think the guys can pull this off , 4-2 or 5-1 in the first heat to get things off to a good start to get everyone upbeat and I see it happening ! Though I respect swindons strength it'll definitely be great viewing. . I believe we have a good chance. If the riders can ride how we know they can and hit umm hard early their heads and roscoes will drop. As I said before there best riders last visit was pretty poor so let's prepare the track the same. I am even thinking of offering them a win bonus to help spur them on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 its not the use of the tac sub rule and the like that is the problem with Poole speedway. i would expect my team to not win a race to stop a tac sub being used thats called tactics. its all the underhand stuff Poole use every season to corrupt the sport what happened at Belle Vue was the final straw for true speedway fans. Im just sorry to see one of the true legends in Hancock riding for the most detested promoter in the sport, i just hope he doesnt ride for them next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Calm down, no need to cry about it... At the time of the postponement there was an update on the Poole Pirates website stating that this was a mutually agreed postponement. I am quite calm and not crying about it. I do like people to read words that are actually written though, and not what they would like them to say. I read the update on the Poole website very carefully at the time. It did NOT say there was a mutually agreed postponement. It was written to the usual vague and wishy-washy Ford-speak to try to imply Lakeside had agreed to the postponement and those who think the sun shines from Matt's posterior might well have read it that way but it did not actually say that that. Go back and read it again. It was because of this attempt to implicate Lakeside that Jon Cook issued a second statement the following day clarifying the situation and stating clearly that the decision to postpone was Poole's alone, and virtually calling Ford a liar. The key point is that Poole never came back an denied what Cook said . 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 You are correct but Holder would have definately got more than 9 on monday, Greg said he has struggled with set ups on tracks he hasn't ridden for years, in my view the Swindon lead would have been no more than 6 with Chris riding. Likely not definetly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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