LagutaRacingFan Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Of course he did ...as I said last night Poole got a 5 -1 in heat 13 with Ward off 1 and Magic off 3 v Troy and Hans then in 15 v the same riders with Poole off the same gates he put's them the other way around ...schoolboy error . Not really, Middlo wanted a 8 point deficit. He gambled on giving Ward the better gate and hoping he would win the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 A 10 point lead is alot to pull back but it is possible and if we have a 8 point lead going in to heat 12 then that would be the ideal scenario. I suppose if the Robins don't get two tac rides they will say they got robbed but those are the rules and you can't change the rules just for the play offs. That's correct, and if Poole win on aggregate then they would have won fairly in accordance with the rules, but this is where the ridiculous T/R rule devalues the competition. Put Poole bashing to one side for a moment. If any team in Poole's present position were to win by four points or less we cant' say the best team won because without the assistance of the rule book they wouldn't have won on the track. The whole point of sport is that the best team should win. This is why the T/R rule has to go, especially in matches fought over two legs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 There is no doubt Poole are a well run club, however they bend and manipulate rules, cheat, throw matches and races, and this leads to the hatred shown on these boards. What concerns me is for the return Poole not going 10 ahead before heat 12, thus stopping the Robins using any tacticals. I wouldnt put it past them to manipulate this situation, If I were Swindon I'd watch the cheating sods carefully. I'm the first to call Poole out, but that would simply be tactically sensible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Not really, Middlo wanted a 8 point deficit. He gambled on giving Ward the better gate and hoping he would win the race. Thanks for clarifying that. I didn't realise Middlo only wanted an 8=point deficit. I was thinking he probably wanted another 5-1 to give a 4 point deficit. On second thoughts though I reckon SCB and orion might have a point about tactical ineptitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Thanks for clarifying that. I didn't realise Middlo only wanted an 8=point deficit. I was thinking he probably wanted another 5-1 to give a 4 point deficit. On second thoughts though I reckon SCB and orion might have a point about tactical ineptitude. Well Middlos tactical ineptitude has taken us to the playoffs, remind me how your season is going? Oh yes, it's finished😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Going to be a huge task for Poole. They looked average last night. Used 2 TR and still lost by 10. Swindon pushed them near last time and that was with PK missing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Going to be a huge task for Poole. They looked average last night. Used 2 TR and still lost by 10. Swindon pushed them near last time and that was with PK missing One huge difference! DAY TIME TRACK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 That's correct, and if Poole win on aggregate then they would have won fairly in accordance with the rules, but this is where the ridiculous T/R rule devalues the competition. Put Poole bashing to one side for a moment. If any team in Poole's present position were to win by four points or less we cant' say the best team won because without the assistance of the rule book they wouldn't have won on the track. The whole point of sport is that the best team should win. This is why the T/R rule has to go, especially in matches fought over two legs. That's how Peterborough won in 2006 when Reading were the better side and needed no tacticals. They haven't changed it in all that time - so don't see them ever changing it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 There is no doubt Poole are a well run club, however they bend and manipulate rules, cheat, throw matches and races, And you can prove all that can you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 And you can prove all that can you? All except the well run club bit 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 All except the well run club bit You mean the well run club that pays all it's riders? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 You mean the well run club that pays all it's riders? and other clubs riders aswell?? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 i think most speedway fans know Middlo isnt a very good team manager tactically and his blunder in heat 15 proved that. Poole have made the play offs through bending the rule book here and there not through anything Middlo has done. Its no that hard witha top 2 of Ward/Holder or Ward/Hancock to put those guys in the races that count. janowski is ok as a back up to those two but as he always does goes missing when it matters and is a gating tart. Jonasson or Magic for the gp's lol they would be outclassed hugely. The odd good gp maybe but nowhere near consistent enough. Would definatly put them in the Vaculik category of rider. Middlo falls down on what to do with reserves and the tricky number 4 position and lets be honest Micky Dyer is a poor signing letting the team down on many occasions while Howarth is doing great for Swindon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Am new to this but have read posts for a long time now and it would be great to talk speedway rather than the nonsense that is pretty much a repeat cycle from some posters on here. Think everyone should realise all teams in the elite league try to do things to gain an advantage. Rules are weak so it's not difficult. The branding of cheating is thrown around all the time but its possible to question things at all teams. Just wish those on here would stick to facts not conjecture. Most is just made up and it seems game number 1 is have a go at Poole. I am not a fan of poole but one wish that will come true to you all is the end of the 8pt to 9pt heat leader in this country (no ward, lindgren, holder, woffinden, batchelor, Andersen, Zagar etc) as it unbalances the team and with possibly a new lower points limit will not be feasible. So it's funny you all laugh at teams like Poole and Wolves for having unbalanced teams but these 9pt heat leaders are awesome to watch especially when they miss the gate. Enough said and good luck to the Brummies you know you can do it!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Apart from putting your rider the wrong away around in heat 15. Janowski should have been off the better of the two gates to get in front while Ward picked them off from gate 1. I don't think that was a mistake, you put your best rider off the best gate to ensure at least a drawn heat and how do you know it was middlo's decision, riders are always consulted on gates for heat 15. Pboro........Poole............Pboro................Poole who do you support lol your knowledge of speedway is seriously poor. Poole STRENTGHEND when Darcy was injured Holder was replaced by the world number 3 and 2 times world champion so not that damaging. Swindon and Brummies have had a fairly good run injury wise. Wolves and Lynn are the 2 sides who have had injury problems that have hindered them NOT POOLE Poole have failed miserably in their quest this season they have cheated numerous times to make the play offs and now hopefully get what they deserve and then we dont have to put up with Shovlar all winter Its not over yet, we are quite capable of winning by more than 10 at home. That's how Peterborough won in 2006 when Reading were the better side and needed no tacticals. They haven't changed it in all that time - so don't see them ever changing it! Yes it was and a what a night for the panthers but it wasn't the only reason reading lost, they only won by 3 in the home leg and Lemon should have known he didn't have to pass Hall for Reading to win the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Pboro........Poole............Pboro................Poole who do you support lol your knowledge of speedway is seriously poor. Poole STRENTGHEND when Darcy was injured Holder was replaced by the world number 3 and 2 times world champion so not that damaging. Swindon and Brummies have had a fairly good run injury wise. Wolves and Lynn are the 2 sides who have had injury problems that have hindered them NOT POOLE Poole have failed miserably in their quest this season they have cheated numerous times to make the play offs and now hopefully get what they deserve and then we dont have to put up with Shovlar all winter Aah I see the one who enjoys his 'enforced forum holiday breaks' is back and straight on a Poole thread!! Why is that not a surprise?! Lets see how long it lasts this time......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 (edited) Darcy Ward - 13 Thomas H. Jonasson - 7 Greg Hancock - 12 Rohan Tungate - 6 Maciej Janowski - 8 Josh Grajczonek - 6 Micky Dyer - 2 Total = 54 points I don't think this will be too far off tbh. Also, anyone who regularly reads my posts will know that I am the first to criticize Poole when wrongdoing is suspected however Poole have played a fair game this year and have come this far when everything has been against them. In my opinion Poole are worthy of the title. The Pirate Ship has not been sunk Mr Andersen, it is just warming up! Let's get out there and do it for Chris! Edited September 25, 2013 by Synikalle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poole Quay 7 Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Darcy Ward - 13 Thomas H. Jonasson - 7 Greg Hancock - 12 Rohan Tungate - 6 Maciej Janowski - 8 Josh Grajczonek - 6 Micky Dyer - 2 Total = 54 points I don't think this will be too far off tbh. Also, anyone who regularly reads my posts will know that I am the first to criticize Poole when wrongdoing is suspected however Poole have played a fair game this year and have come this far when everything has been against them. In my opinion Poole are worthy of the title. The Pirate Ship has not been sunk Mr Andersen, it is just warming up! Let's get out there and do it for Chris! I admire the optimism Synikalle, let's hope you are right!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Also, anyone who regularly reads my posts will know that I am the first to criticize Poole when wrongdoing is suspected however Poole have played a fair game this year and have come this far when everything has been against them. In my opinion Poole are worthy of the title. Lets just forget about the deducted points for use of illegal rider, and the called off meeting to suit tho. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 (edited) Lets just forget about the deducted points for use of illegal rider, and the called off meeting to suit tho. Poole haven't been the only team this year to be caught out by over complicated rules surrounding riders and rider replacement. Even Poole wouldn't intentionally use an illegal rider as it is inevitable that their points will be deducted, and quite rightly so. The called off meeting was agreed to by both clubs. As neither club is willing to explain why this happened it is unfair to assume Poole were in the wrong or were cheating in the matter. Edited September 25, 2013 by Synikalle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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