YerRopes Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Gavan it was me that introduced the Chris Holder average (9.25 - when he got injured), as the argument/opinion as to who was the 'better' rider seemed to be taking the route of who had the highest average and therefore who was the better rider? ie Darcy or Tai? I was trying to illustrate that averages can be misleading as well as also giving an indication as to the best rider at any given time. Holder's finishing EL average of 9.25 therefore makes him a better rider than Tai, Darcy or NKI!!! Fact!! or is it?! As this is a Poole Pirates 2014 thread, then I'm entitled to ask/state/wind-up? surely?! What was Darcy's EL average when he got injured - less than 7.00 I believe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 you lot will be eating cardboard come next October... So you keep on saying, but its irrelevant as the discussion is about who is the best rider right now, not in nine months time. Most people would agree that Darcy could potentially be the best rider in the world for several years if he can behaves correctly off track, starting in 2014. But based on 2013 he isn't yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) So you keep on saying, but its irrelevant as the discussion is about who is the best rider right now, not in nine months time. Most people would agree that Darcy could potentially be the best rider in the world for several years if he can behaves correctly off track, starting in 2014. But based on 2013 he isn't yet. Yeh, but this time next year, some won't be murmuring a word... Edited January 12, 2014 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 So you keep on saying, but its irrelevant as the discussion is about who is the best rider right now, not in nine months time. Most people would agree that Darcy could potentially be the best rider in the world for several years if he can behaves correctly off track, starting in 2014. But based on 2013 he isn't yet. Sorry but this is the Pirates 2014 thread not a discussion for my rider is better than yours..............some people really need to get a life............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Yep, and how many meetings did Darcy miss through injury and how many did NKI ride?? you lot will be eating cardboard come next October... Tai rode the 2nd half of the season injured! I wonder what his average wouldve been fully fit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 proves how out of touch I am with the game Michael Lee rode for Poole in 1983 and the start of 1984 until he got his infamous 5 year ban for allegedly riding round the track the wrong way (at Kings Lynn I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Tai rode the 2nd half of the season injured! I wonder what his average wouldve been fully fit! I wonder what Darcys average would have been and his GP standing would have been had he not got injured... Michael Lee rode for Poole in 1983 and the start of 1984 until he got his infamous 5 year ban for allegedly riding round the track the wrong way (at Kings Lynn I think). Easy to get confused up there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikstar Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Just wondering when the full 2014 Poole line-up will be announced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) I think Ward is the better talent but Tai is not far behind him on that front and has his head screwed on a little more. Tai improved so much last year, and a lot of his wins came from the back. It will be hard to maintain that level but he is so focused to do it again. Ward & Holder are not going to be part of the Hagon set up in 2014. Wonder if this will effect them. Edited January 12, 2014 by superguest 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason.C Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Good post, fair assessment super guest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Easy to get confused up there... 1 thing we're all united (not confused about ) about , is you still post the usual blue tinted garbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Sorry but this is the Pirates 2014 thread not a discussion for my rider is better than yours..............some people really need to get a life............. RP Interesting discussions develop from various threads though, its related to Poole so I don't see the problem. You just need to ignore the usual pillocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 I wonder what Darcys average would have been and his GP standing would have been had he not got injured..: NZ Darcy scores 12 from 6 (5th place) NZ Tai scores 9 from 6 (7th place) Bydgoszcz GP Darcy scores 13 from 6 (5th place) Bydgoszcz GP Tai scores 14 from 7 (4th place) Gothenburg GP Darcy scores 0 from 2 (16th place) Gothenburg GP Tai scores 12 from 6 (5th place) Prague GP Darcy DNR Prague GP Tai scores 19 from 7 (1st place) Cardiff GP Darcy DNR Cardiff GP Tai scores 7 from 3 rides (9th place) Gorzow GP Darcy DNR Gorzow GP Tai scores 12 from 7 (3rd place) Copenhagen GP Darcy scores 19 from 7 (1st place) Copenhagen GP Tai scores 11 from 6 (6th place) Italian GP Darcy scores 11 from 6 (6th place) Italian GP Tai scores 18 from 7 (2nd place) Latvian GP Darcy scores 13 from 7 (2nd place) Latvian GP Tai scores 15 from 7 (3rd place) * podium 2nd in scores Slovenian GP Darcy scores 10 from 6 (6th place) Slovenian GP Tai scores 17 from 7 (2nd place) * podium 1st in scores Stockholm GP Darcy scores 15 from 6 (5th place) podium, joint 2nd in scores Stockholm GP Tai scores 7 from 5 (10th place) Torun GP Darcy scores 13 from 6 (5th place) Torun GP Tai scores 12 from 6 (6th place) Darcy scores 106 from 52 rides = 2.038 Tai scores 151 from 74 rides = 2.04 Close as you like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluTiger Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 NZ Darcy scores 12 from 6 (5th place) NZ Tai scores 9 from 6 (7th place) Bydgoszcz GP Darcy scores 13 from 6 (5th place) Bydgoszcz GP Tai scores 14 from 7 (4th place) Gothenburg GP Darcy scores 0 from 2 (16th place) Gothenburg GP Tai scores 12 from 6 (5th place) Prague GP Darcy DNR Prague GP Tai scores 19 from 7 (1st place) Cardiff GP Darcy DNR Cardiff GP Tai scores 7 from 3 rides (9th place) Gorzow GP Darcy DNR Gorzow GP Tai scores 12 from 7 (3rd place) Copenhagen GP Darcy scores 19 from 7 (1st place) Copenhagen GP Tai scores 11 from 6 (6th place) Italian GP Darcy scores 11 from 6 (6th place) Italian GP Tai scores 18 from 7 (2nd place) Latvian GP Darcy scores 13 from 7 (2nd place) Latvian GP Tai scores 15 from 7 (3rd place) * podium 2nd in scores Slovenian GP Darcy scores 10 from 6 (6th place) Slovenian GP Tai scores 17 from 7 (2nd place) * podium 1st in scores Stockholm GP Darcy scores 15 from 6 (5th place) podium, joint 2nd in scores Stockholm GP Tai scores 7 from 5 (10th place) Torun GP Darcy scores 13 from 6 (5th place) Torun GP Tai scores 12 from 6 (6th place) Darcy scores 106 from 52 rides = 2.038 Tai scores 151 from 74 rides = 2.04 Close as you like! Tai wins it then.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason.C Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Probably after the teams have been scrutinised at the next bspa meeting vikstar. I have a feeling all is not well, possibly because a few have spat their dummies out over vaclav milik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 You're no idiot Sidney, just a man with an opinion. Just to add my threepence worth to the discussion, Woffy did it when mattered. and that what counts. Although the points count towards the total in all the heats, they are not the be all you expect come, the semis and final. Most riders are only concerned of getting enough points to get to the finals. It is these 3 heats that really count. When Looking at them races, how many finals did Darcy miss out on ? how many times did he come third in a semi? and that's the reason he wasn't World Champion. Woffy done it when it mattered.. . Of course Darcy is an exceptional talent, but in this company you can't give the other riders a start and expect to always come from the back. For Darcy to contemplate being a WC is has to be a better gater, with a much higher success of trapping. 15 in the heats is better than sneaking a semi with 7 then having a second and a win. The semi and final is no more important than any other race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 I think you will discover there are kings Lynn and Swindon fans who also agree with me. I certainly don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob240866 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 I certainly don't. tais the better ride. when ward learns to stop showboating and playing up to the cameras he could well be world champ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Dearly me Shovlar you getting quite sad and pathetic. If holder had have finished the season he could have been best rider. The discussion is between ward and tai. You have been presented with facts you choose to ignore as you always do. Quite clearly Ward isn't as successful as Tai or NKI and your defence is laughable, you keep saying ignore me and Brum but there are others on here saying the same as well but you ignore it. A true speedway fan not a blue tint would say ' in 2013 tai was the best rider in the world but hopefully in 2014 Darcy will be ' but no you can't say it and if I was a Poole fan I would be annoyed that a fool like you was representing my team. The decent Poole fans like skidder red panda foreverblue must just cringe when you post crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Michael Lee rode for Poole in 1983 and the start of 1984 until he got his infamous 5 year ban for allegedly riding round the track the wrong way (at Kings Lynn I think). Crikey I didn't realise that Neil Middleditch was part of Michael Lee's career going off the rails. What a track record he has of helping keep young riders on the straight & narrow:-) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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