Gavan Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Except Sidney supports Swindon wasn't a dig at Sidney I know he is a Swindon fan just making general comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 I think any comparison is secondary to the boasting from Dorset! Â Â That is exactly the point being made. One of the things that attracts most of us to the sport is the immense determination and courage of the riders. Non-Poole fans recognise Holders achievement without it being emphasised by the Blue-tints. Â It is the same with the Ward -v-Woffinden debate that certain elements within the Blue-rinse brigade are trying to promote. .They are very different types of rider.. Tai is more of a thinker while Darcy is a more instinctive rider.. They are both very good. Nobody wins a Speedway World Championship without a slice of luck. It was Tai's year this year but if he loses it next year or the year after that doesn't make him any less of a rider.. Equally Darcy will only win if he gets a year when the cookie crumbles his way , but if luck goes against him that doesn't make him any less of a rider. It comes down to engines and tuners as much as skill on the bike. Tai has jumped through all the hoops this year but Darcy didn't. . You can't really analyse it any deeper than that. Â Tai deserved it this year, but if Darcy wins in the future nobody will say he is not top notch. Its just that the Blue-rinse brigade have to make an issue out of it all the time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Correct not easy to defend the title but Tai was the best rider in the world last year that is fact. He was better than all the riders you mention. Why do people say he isn't the best? Think he proved he was and he did it injured as well. Ward could well be world champion but he isn't a better rider than Tai at the moment the facts speak for themselves so stop bleating about it!! Just because Ward cant gate and is more exciting to watch doesn't make him the better rider does it! Blue tints ahoy! I am not bleating just my opinion is that ok with you ? I am a Swindon fan so i am pretty impartial, those riders i named are at least on par with Tai and if i was being honest i rate all of them higher than Woffinden.But Tai rode great all year and deserved his title but he still has a lot of hard work ahead of him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) Â Â That is exactly the point being made. One of the things that attracts most of us to the sport is the immense determination and courage of the riders. Non-Poole fans recognise Holders achievement without it being emphasised by the Blue-tints. Â It is the same with the Ward -v-Woffinden debate that certain elements within the Blue-rinse brigade are trying to promote. .They are very different types of rider.. Tai is more of a thinker while Darcy is a more instinctive rider.. They are both very good. Nobody wins a Speedway World Championship without a slice of luck. It was Tai's year this year but if he loses it next year or the year after that doesn't make him any less of a rider.. Equally Darcy will only win if he gets a year when the cookie crumbles his way , but if luck goes against him that doesn't make him any less of a rider. It comes down to engines and tuners as much as skill on the bike. Tai has jumped through all the hoops this year but Darcy didn't. . You can't really analyse it any deeper than that. Â Tai deserved it this year, but if Darcy wins in the future nobody will say he is not top notch. Its just that the Blue-rinse brigade have to make an issue out of it all the time. Im not making an issue of it. Tai fully deserved his World Championship, in fact i'll go further, to say backend 2012 when Tai came to poole that was the best id ever seen him ride, although on the face of it, he was still a long way from becoming World Champion. Darcy on the other hand has all the abillity in the world, Darcy can be anything Darcy wants to be, its in his own hands. He only needs to stay on his bike and pick up good points at most of the rounds and win 2-3 to be in the shake up come Torun. He doesn't need to do handstands on the bike or ride the top of the airfence, he's plenty good enough. I think Darcy might just suprise a few next season... Edited January 11, 2014 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 I am not bleating just my opinion is that ok with you ? I am a Swindon fan so i am pretty impartial, those riders i named are at least on par with Tai and if i was being honest i rate all of them higher than Woffinden.But Tai rode great all year and deserved his title but he still has a lot of hard work ahead of him. You can't debate with Gavan as has been proved for the time he has been on this forum. It's his way or forget it, you are called a blue tint, even if you don't support Poole. Â In his world Poole fans can't praise or defend their riders or club without being a blue tint. Â It's certainly not a fact that Tai is better than Ward. It's an opinion. Just because Tai won the WC doesn't mean he is better. Was Jerzy Szezakiel a better rider than Mauger? Or half that field to be honest? Â To try and pass off an opinion as a fact is foolhardy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 I think the only way Darcy will surprise anyone next year  I think Darcy might just suprise a few next season... I don't think anybody will be surprised if Darcy is challenging for the title. His scores in the 9 Gp's he rode in show that. I'd be more surprised if he wasn't up there with Tai, Emil, Jarek, Puk and Chris (and whoever else). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 I think the only way Darcy will surprise anyone next year  I don't think anybody will be surprised if Darcy is challenging for the title. His scores in the 9 Gp's he rode in show that. I'd be more surprised if he wasn't up there with Tai, Emil, Jarek, Puk and Chris (and whoever else). Stays on his bike he will be.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Im not making an issue of it. Tai fully deserved his World Championship, in fact i'll go further, to say backend 2012 when Tai came to poole that was the best id ever seen him ride, although on the face of it, he was still a long way from becoming World Champion. Darcy on the other hand has all the abillity in the world, Darcy can be anything Darcy wants to be, its in his own hands. He only needs to stay on his bike and pick up good points at most of the rounds and win 2-3 to be in the shake up come Torun. He doesn't need to do handstands on the bike or ride the top of the airfence, he's plenty good enough. I think Darcy might just suprise a few next season... Â This post which you put alike to sounds very much like a comparison and opinion that Darcy is the better :-Tai is a better gater but Darcy is a better racer overall and that will win through. So does this:-Just because Tai won the WC doesn't mean he is better. Â Blue-rinse tints. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) Â This post which you put alike to sounds very much like a comparison and opinion that Darcy is the better :-Tai is a better gater but Darcy is a better racer overall and that will win through. my opinion.... Nice to see there are so many closet poole fans on this forum.. Matt must be doing something right.... Edited January 11, 2014 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 I am not bleating just my opinion is that ok with you ? I am a Swindon fan so i am pretty impartial, those riders i named are at least on par with Tai and if i was being honest i rate all of them higher than Woffinden.But Tai rode great all year and deserved his title but he still has a lot of hard work ahead of him. Rate them higher if you want. The facts show that Tai was the best rider last season without question. Â Â It's certainly not a fact that Tai is better than Ward. It's an opinion. Just because Tai won the WC doesn't mean he is better. Was Jerzy Szezakiel a better rider than Mauger? Or half that field to be honest? Â To try and pass off an opinion as a fact is foolhardy. It isn't an opinion its a fact. You cannot compare a one off World Final with a 12 round series. Freddie or Tai could have won a one off World title if it was staged at Monmore Green. IF ward stays fit, keeps out of trouble, acts professionally and has a better year than Tai this coming season you could say he was a better rider. As has been discussed, he has enormous natural talent but he is a step behind Tai at this moment in Time. A small step i grant you To suggest he already is better is foolhardy, and has blue tint written all over it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 As has been discussed, he has enormous natural talent but he is a step behind Tai at this moment in Time. A small step i grant you To suggest he already is better is foolhardy, and has blue tint written all over it. Surprise, surprise I don't agree! Â Tai maybe WC but doesn't make him better based on the injuries to Holder, Ward and Emil. Â I'd be interested to see who has the higher averages in the different countries leagues.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Surprise, surprise I don't agree! Â Tai maybe WC but doesn't make him better based on the injuries to Holder, Ward and Emil. Â I'd be interested to see who has the higher averages in the different countries leagues.. No one is asking for you to agree tho! Injuries are unfortunate but no excuse. I agree on the averages issue. And i would bet Iversen had the highest of them all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Im sure i read Tai is higher in Poland than all of the above hes also higher in England but didnt ride in Sweden. I await to be shot down but im 99% thats the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 I`m sure some of still believe that Ward is better than our World Champion as well!!Ward is better than woffy he will show that for many years to come he averaged the most per gp last year and would of won it if he rode every gp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Ward is better than woffy he will show that for many years to come he averaged the most per gp last year and would of won it if he rode every gp. No he didnt!! Woffy averaged the most of everyone in the GPs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Ward is better than woffy he will show that for many years to come he averaged the most per gp last year and would of won it if he rode every gp. He isn't. If he he was he would be World Champion right now. He still has a lot to prove all those that big him up constantly. What he will or wont do in the future is neither here nor there. Nor is it a valid discussion point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 im sure some people here can argue amongst themselves!....woffy is world champion. world number 1.... ward has the potential, adams had the potential, but never won it!....woffy has left his mark in speedway history. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Tai is world champion, end of. There is no better rider in the world at this present time, opinions do not alter that fact. I fully expect Tai to still be World champion this time next year as well.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 quite rite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Surprise, surprise I don't agree! Â Tai maybe WC but doesn't make him better based on the injuries to Holder, Ward and Emil. Â I'd be interested to see who has the higher averages in the different countries leagues.. Tai had a higher average number of points per GP than any other rider. Impressive when you think two of them GPs he broke collarbones and one become irrelevant after his second ride. Holder and Emil didnt get injured in a GP so have no excuse while Ward had alredy run one last and was last when he injured himself in his injury hit GP. Ward is better than woffy he will show that for many years to come he averaged the most per gp last year and would of won it if he rode every gp. Re-writing history in Poole. No he didn't. Tai had the highest average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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