pugwash Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 To a certain extent it's not about gating ability but bike set-up. I would have thought that a bike set-up to hit the gate is a differant animal to one set-up for blasting round the boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Niels is undoubtedly all of what you say except probably the best rider in the world, at this moment Tai is and when Tai guested for Poole at saddlebow road he was terrific and niels couldn't get near him in the later races, the only time Niels won was in the first heat, so if niels can't beat him consistantly on his own track how can he be regarded as better than Tai. Â I take on board your comments, but in your reply, you are picking out parts of what I posted, and not seeing the point I was making. To me Niels is exceptional in every thing he represents. In saying that, I am also aware of other riders, who are also world class performers. Some of these have had brushes with the laws, some have done things they might regret, all I was saying, if you're looking for the complete package, a promoter's dream, then you wont find many better then Niels... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I think Tai proved last year in the GP series that there is nobody in the world better than him currently, but you can't really take one meeting in isolation to prove who is better than who. Some will still try say that Darcy is the best in the World however. Of course they are wrong. Without question Tai was the best rider of 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Â I take on board your comments, but in your reply, you are picking out parts of what I posted, and not seeing the point I was making. To me Niels is exceptional in every thing he represents. In saying that, I am also aware of other riders, who are also world class performers. Some of these have had brushes with the laws, some have done things they might regret, all I was saying, if you're looking for the complete package, a promoter's dream, then you wont find many better then Niels... Yes i picked out one part of what you said as i believe he isn't the best rider and the facts tend to support that but i have met Niels on many occassions and have said on this forum before that a nicer, more genuine decent human being would be hard to find and always has time for his fans and if you were a Panthers fan his improvement over the last couple of years is staggering, on top of all this he hasn't a dirty bone in his body, very clean rider always leaving room for his opponent which in the cut throat world of gp racing isn't common. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Â I take on board your comments, but in your reply, you are picking out parts of what I posted, and not seeing the point I was making. To me Niels is exceptional in every thing he represents. In saying that, I am also aware of other riders, who are also world class performers. Some of these have had brushes with the laws, some have done things they might regret, all I was saying, if you're looking for the complete package, a promoter's dream, then you wont find many better then Niels... We only had Niels at Wolves for one season, and it was a poor one for the team. Nonetheless I enjoyed watching Niels every week, very entertaining and exciting.It is fair to say that he has improved dramatically since then, and I look out for him in the GP's. Probably my favourite non-Wolves rider. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 the leigh adams "best rider to never win title" was quoted on sky and appears to be taken by many people, but I think many many riders coud argue that point.....leigh was a dominant lge rider, but on the gp stage, im not that sure really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Agree with you first point, but will disagree with your second.. I didn't know you were a fortune teller as well. the leigh adams "best rider to never win title" was quoted on sky and appears to be taken by many people, but I think many many riders coud argue that point.....leigh was a dominant lge rider, but on the gp stage, im not that sure really Absoloute rubbish as look at Leigh's GP record & where he finished most seasons in fields that were miles better than the dross that get into it now. Â Name me a rider who didn't win the World Title in GP history that was better than Leigh then in both the GP's & even League racing as I certainly can't think of any???????? Edited January 10, 2014 by Crazy robin 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 If you can find a better world class rider than Leigh Adams who has never win the world title I will be stunned. Was top of averages all round Europe but was racing against high calibre of Rickardsson Crump and Pedersen not to mention the Gollobs Hancock and Hamills. Lots of one time winners Jan O . Jonsson. Havvy were at the time the same level as Adams. If anyone had another name as the best not to win I would like to hear it. And Poole fans Darcy isn't the best rider in the world so stop banging the drum. He may however be the best by the end if 2014 though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 If you can find a better world class rider than Leigh Adams who has never win the world title I will be stunned. Was top of averages all round Europe but was racing against high calibre of Rickardsson Crump and Pedersen not to mention the Gollobs Hancock and Hamills. Lots of one time winners Jan O . Jonsson. Havvy were at the time the same level as Adams. If anyone had another name as the best not to win I would like to hear it. And Poole fans Darcy isn't the best rider in the world so stop banging the drum. He may however be the best by the end if 2014 though Totally agree & the post from Colin was very poorly thought out really when you consider the quality of riders Leigh rode against but will wait for his reply with all the riders he thinks were better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 make up your mind....best rider never to win it? or best rider in gp history?..... I don't care what your opinion is, the word "rubbish" on an opinion is YOUR OPINION not mine. theres no fact about it what so ever..i was talking pre gp, but whilst you are entitled your opinion, I am quite rightly entitled mine.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I didn't know you were a fortune teller as well. Â Absoloute rubbish as look at Leigh's GP record & where he finished most seasons in fields that were miles better than the dross that get into it now. Â Name me a rider who didn't win the World Title in GP history that was better than Leigh then in both the GP's & even League racing as I certainly can't think of any???????? Tommy Knudsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 make up your mind....best rider never to win it? or best rider in gp history?..... I don't care what your opinion is, the word "rubbish" on an opinion is YOUR OPINION not mine. theres no fact about it what so ever..i was talking pre gp, but whilst you are entitled your opinion, I am quite rightly entitled mine.. Even when it's wrong! Â Leigh Adams was and still is the best rider never to become world champion! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 whilst I wouldn't of said tommy Knudsen, philfromcov is his opinion, and quite right to have that view.. leigh adams was undoubtly a brilliant rider, but at end of the day (if im correct) he made 2 rostrums?.....again im not saying zenon plech was my opinion, he too made 2 rostrums, and only beaten by ivan mauger (6x world champ) adams was beaten by nicki p?? this is a pointless argument, as statistics/opinions will vary greatly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Even when it's wrong! Â Leigh Adams was and still is the best rider never to become world champion! Would have to concur with this 100% 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Tommy KnudsenThird in 1981 and then nothing since although injury played a part and also when he was knocked off by Hans. Nope I don't rate Knudsen ahead of Adams but its my opinion make up your mind....best rider never to win it? or best rider in gp history?..... I don't care what your opinion is, the word "rubbish" on an opinion is YOUR OPINION not mine. theres no fact about it what so ever..i was talking pre gp, but whilst you are entitled your opinion, I am quite rightly entitled mine.. best rider never to win it either one off or go is Adams. As I said name someone else and it can be discussed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 If you can find a better world class rider than Leigh Adams who has never win the world title I will be stunned. Was top of averages all round Europe but was racing against high calibre of Rickardsson Crump and Pedersen not to mention the Gollobs Hancock and Hamills. Lots of one time winners Jan O . Jonsson. Havvy were at the time the same level as Adams. If anyone had another name as the best not to win I would like to hear it. And Poole fans Darcy isn't the best rider in the world so stop banging the drum. He may however be the best by the end if 2014 though Tommy Knudsen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 There will always be top riders who never win the individual title and Leigh Adams is certainly one of the best.  Shawn Moran Tommy Knudsen Phil Crump Dave Jessup Jack Parker Split Waterman  You could go on for ages and never have a true answer but Leigh certainly was top class 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Tommy Knudsen? Don't agree Phil. Tommy was a very good rider, but sadly, his career got cut short pertty much by injury, which is very sad, because he and nobody knows how good he could have been. If we are talking about a rider who saw out his complete career, you would have to call Leigh Adams. Edited January 10, 2014 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 can a worms or what?.....incognito is spot on...split waterman good suggestion, carter mega unlucky,jessup another, sigalos hugely talented.......I don't say adams is right or wrong answer, cos I don't think there is a rite/wrong answer...different generations will have different views.....I think worse riders have won it quite a few times, but again, its my view igor plechanov (2) second places..even that tops adams, and no1 would suggest him, yet his record is in history books..look at the amount of poles over the yrs that has made the rostrum, loads of riders record could be argued on this topic...would gollob of ever been champ had there not been 2 polish rounds?...this is a pointless argument all round..its opinions at end of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluTiger Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 And I came here to hear some juicy Pirates gossip.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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