Bagpuss Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 I was talking about Miskoviak AT THE START OF THE SEASON, who didn't ride any EiL meetings for Poole, until he tried to come back from his injury. The other Pole Stachyra (wasn't including Magic!) actually scored in both the early KL meetings, home and away!! BTW, isn't it about time you changed your signature!! Nice backtracking The bottom line is that Poole fans were moaning about both Poles when they rode but are happy with JG & THJ who are both performing well. I know which two I'd rather have in my team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Nice backtracking The bottom line is that Poole fans were moaning about both Poles when they rode but are happy with JG & THJ who are both performing well. I know which two I'd rather have in my team. Miskowiak is a mystery, seems to well in poland but terrible here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 credit where credit is due and Poole made good changes due to the injuries. That is not my point. My point is the people like skidder and shovlar who say injuries weakened the team when quite clearly they didnt!! Matt Ford is a credit to his own team in getting the riders he did im not disputing that. If Ward had not been injured the maybe Poole would have dumped the 2 poles but had less to work with average wise. Riders like THJ and Josh probably could not have been fitted in the team, but the fact Ward was out enabled them to get those 2 plus a good rider in Pawlicki. As soon as Ward was fit he was back in and to fit him in Poole had to get a weaker reserve in Dyer. Ward and Dyer will probably score more than Pawlicki and Howarth i think thats been proven. My point will remain the same. Without Darcy being injured Poole could not have changed their side as much as they did and may not have been anywhere near the play offs. Lets not forget Poole went on their winning run when Darcy was out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 credit where credit is due and Poole made good changes due to the injuries. That is not my point. My point is the people like skidder and shovlar who say injuries weakened the team when quite clearly they didnt!! Matt Ford is a credit to his own team in getting the riders he did im not disputing that. If Ward had not been injured the maybe Poole would have dumped the 2 poles but had less to work with average wise. Riders like THJ and Josh probably could not have been fitted in the team, but the fact Ward was out enabled them to get those 2 plus a good rider in Pawlicki. As soon as Ward was fit he was back in and to fit him in Poole had to get a weaker reserve in Dyer. Ward and Dyer will probably score more than Pawlicki and Howarth i think thats been proven. My point will remain the same. Without Darcy being injured Poole could not have changed their side as much as they did and may not have been anywhere near the play offs. Lets not forget Poole went on their winning run when Darcy was out. It has to be said though that If Holder had not been injured we would not have struggled to make the play offs and i also believe that keeping Janowski when some thought he shouldn't be kept was also a good move. The key riders who have come in to the team are THJ and Josh, their form has been fantastic, injuries follow THJ around but when he is fit he can beat anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Yes i got that feeling when he said after his first Elite League meeting he wasn't good enough, he is good enough but he needs people to tell him that and when Greg has a word you listen! you won't be able to stop Greg grinning if he wins the title with poole. IF, we win the title, you won't stop Greggy Grinning from then untill next season.. On the subject of Micky, his rise in the PL has been swift, but although im quite sure he doesn't get on with Swindon he is more than capable of attaining his average, and Greggy was right to have a word with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 It has to be said though that If Holder had not been injured we would not have struggled to make the play offs and i also believe that keeping Janowski when some thought he shouldn't be kept was also a good move. The key riders who have come in to the team are THJ and Josh, their form has been fantastic, injuries follow THJ around but when he is fit he can beat anyone. Not sure how you can be certain of that, as you had already lost 4 meetings by the end of April & the side was clearly unbalanced. However, the injuries that you had enabled you to make changes that strengthened the side overall. Furthermore, the very way that you were allowed to cancel a meeting to suit your own ends still sticks in the throat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Not sure how you can be certain of that, as you had already lost 4 meetings by the end of April & the side was clearly unbalanced. However, the injuries that you had enabled you to make changes that strengthened the side overall. Furthermore, the very way that you were allowed to cancel a meeting to suit your own ends still sticks in the throat! Remind us, which meeting was that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 It has to be said though that If Holder had not been injured we would not have struggled to make the play offs and i also believe that keeping Janowski when some thought he shouldn't be kept was also a good move. The key riders who have come in to the team are THJ and Josh, their form has been fantastic, injuries follow THJ around but when he is fit he can beat anyone. there are ifs and buts but i dont think Hancock has cost you any points. i keep reading about his team riding skills. would Holder have team rode or cleared off and cost you points? Greg was superb on the Belle Vue mudbath and got you into the play offs. Holder may have struggled. We will never know but i think more damaging was the morale after Holders injury and Hancock has been a part in picking the team up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Not sure how you can be certain of that, as you had already lost 4 meetings by the end of April & the side was clearly unbalanced. However, the injuries that you had enabled you to make changes that strengthened the side overall. Furthermore, the very way that you were allowed to cancel a meeting to suit your own ends still sticks in the throat! The fact we dropped points by missing out on bonus points away and dropped points at home which i don't think would have happened with Chris in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) I was talking about Miskoviak AT THE START OF THE SEASON, who didn't ride any EL meetings for Poole, until he tried to come back from his injury. The other Pole Stachyra (wasn't including Magic!) actually scored in both the early KL meetings, home and away!! BTW, isn't it about time you changed your signature!! You actually said, and I quote your exact post......... "one of the poles didn't even start a single league meeting!!"........Nowhere in that post does it say at the start of the season or untill he came back from injury, therefore your post wasn't correct as Miskoviak did start 2 league meetings home and away against Kings Lynn as I said in my reply to you. I wasn't talking about Stachyra or Janowski as both have rode lots of league matches for Poole........Don't see how I have offended you as I was just pointing out the fact Miskoviak had started a league match for Poole Are you thick, ignorant or both? 2 riders do not make a team. Whats the point of having Ward and Holder and no back up?? Look at this and see what i mean. TEAM 1: HOLDER, WARD, MAGIC, STACHYRA, MISKOWIAK, TUNGATE, HOWARTH Ward gets injured so the team becomes: TEAM 2: HOLDER, PAWLICKI, MAGIC,THJ, TUNGATE, JOSH G, HOWARTH. still agree team 1 is better??? so the loss of Ward helped other areas become stronger. Ward returns. TEAM 3: HOLDER, WARD, MAGIC, THJ, TUNGATE,JOSH G, DYER. stronger again???? the loss of Holder has been adequetely covered by Hancock and in fact Hancock got you into the top 4 on the mudbath at Belle Vue so you cant say he has weakened you that much. Yes Holder and Ward are 2 of the best 4 riders in the world there is no doubt about that the fact is that you were LOSING matches with these 2 at the start. it was only when Ward got injured and you could strengthen the rest of the side that you started winning or is that to difficult to understand so before you start having a pop at me get your facts in order and look at the bigger picture Team 2 is incorrect as when Pawlicki and THJ came into the team it was still Stachyra and Miskoviak in the team not Josh and Kyle Howarth!! Josh and Mickey Dyer came into the team when Darcy came back from injury and Pawlicki,Miskoviak and Stachyra were the riders replaced Edited October 4, 2013 by scottyfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 ok but whatever way you look at it Poole got stronger because they could use Darcys average to replace struggling lower order riders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) You actually said, and I quote your exact post......... "one of the poles didn't even start a single league meeting!!"........Nowhere in that post does it say at the start of the season or untill he came back from injury, therefore your post wasn't correct as Miskoviak did start 2 league meetings home and away against Kings Lynn as I said in my reply to you. I wasn't talking about Stachyra or Janowski as both have rode lots of league matches for Poole........Don't see how I have offended you as I was just pointing out the fact Miskoviak had started a league match for Poole You haven't offended me in any way! My exact post was in reply to Bagpuss' #111 which was comparing the Poole team at the start of the season to later on after (many) changes had been made, so in that context I believe I was correct, as indeed you were with Miskoviak's later meetings v Kings Lynn, but that wasn't what was being discussed at the time! Edited October 4, 2013 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 You haven't offended me in any way! My exact post was in reply to Bagpuss' #111 which was comparing the Poole team at the start of the season to later on after (many) changes had been made, so in that context I believe I was correct, as indeed you were with Miskoviak's later meetings v Kings Lynn, but that wasn't what was being discussed at the time! Ah...ok, seems as though I jumped into the middle of a conversation....not the first time Thought I had inadvertently offend you, so I'm just glad that I haven't. As for changing my signature....not going to happen just yet.....it might be bad luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 There will be plenty of poole fans not offended on monday hopefully!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 I think guest riders got poole into the playoffs the two away matches when they used horses for courses got them 8 points there wasn't many Poole riders in those teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Obviously like all teams a combination of factors if holder didnt crash at coventry we would have had a win, guest riders are vital and need picking carefully but if teams want you to ride without half your team then you have to try to make the best of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 you won't be able to stop Greg grinning if he wins the title with poole. IF, we win the title, you won't stop Greggy Grinning from then untill next season.. And wont stop him from quickly turning his back on the EL again tho. At least he has given some a chance to catch him in the EL this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 You haven't offended me in any way! My exact post was in reply to Bagpuss' #111 which was comparing the Poole team at the start of the season to later on after (many) changes had been made, so in that context I believe I was correct, as indeed you were with Miskoviak's later meetings v Kings Lynn, but that wasn't what was being discussed at the time! Just admit you were wrong skiddy I'll think much more of you if you do On a different note its a shame that gavan's ranting means no one takes him seriously as many of his points are good ones. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 Never read a sensible Gavan post ever. Hilarious ranting which has many of us Poole fans doubled up with laughter. I can picture him now hammering away on his laptop, which he has to change every 6 months as he hammers away and breaks the keys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 And wont stop him from quickly turning his back on the EL again tho. At least he has given some a chance to catch him in the EL this season. We all knew that when he signed but we are just happy he agreed to it and as he is one of my favourite riders i am very happy. If we win the title we will have alot to thank Greg for and he will always be welcome at Poole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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