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[SCB]

That post just proves how bitter and twisted you are towards poole speedway.. and how much you really don't know!! If Matt wants Chris in our side, providing it fits in with his plans he will be riding.. I think Matt knows a bit more about Pooles finance's than you or any other so called expert on this forum does.. do.

It's nothing to do with Poole you halfwit. You said a Coventry fan had no right to an opinion because Chris Holder got injured at Coventry. You really are a bloody moron. Can we get warning for stating the bloody obvious? if so I'll take one for that. Edited November 16, 2013 by SCB

[LagutaRacingFan]

Signing THJ should be the Number 1 thing Matt does, His average means he is flexible and he can ride as a Number 3/5 or even as a 2nd string.

Edited November 16, 2013 by Hougaard Racing Fans

[Starman2006]

It's nothing to do with Poole you halfwit. You said a Coventry fan had no right to an opinion because Chris Holder got injured at Coventry. You really are a bloody moron. Can we get warning for stating the bloody obvious? if so I'll take one for that.

Yep, im a moron, if you say so!! Thats two Coventry fans, must be a poole thing.

Signing THJ should be the Number 1 thing Matt does, His average means he is flexible and he can ride as a Number 3/5 or even as a 2nd string.

I would like to think he will figure in Matts plans next season.

Edited November 16, 2013 by Starman2006

[Steve0]

That post just proves how bitter and twisted you are towards poole speedway.. and how much you really don't know!! If Matt wants Chris in our side, providing it fits in with his plans he will be riding.. I think Matt knows a bit more about Pooles finance's than you or any other so called expert on this forum does.. do.

Eh? I don't know what post you were responding to but it wasn't mine! You were the one who took a pop at Coventry because Chris got injured there - someone who I have always liked. I don't know where you got the bitter and twisted towards Poole from my reply - as it was directed at your question about being petty!! I wasn't even talking about Poole's finances either!! I also don't know how you can say it shows how much I really don't know as I gave you 4 definitions of the word petty!

 

I hope we do see Holder riding in the UK next season.

[Starman2006]

 

I hope we do see Holder riding in the UK next season.

So do i. Along with Darcy, riding for poole. They do, both put bums on seats. But, that is down to the powers that be, and the posibillity, of Sky signing a TV deal.

[Dietbowers]

It's nothing to do with Poole you halfwit. You said a Coventry fan had no right to an opinion because Chris Holder got injured at Coventry. You really are a bloody moron. Can we get warning for stating the bloody obvious? if so I'll take one for that.

Don`t beat around the bush,say what you really think....

[SCB]

So do i. Along with Darcy, riding for poole. They do, both put bums on seats. But, that is down to the powers that be, and the posibillity, of Sky signing a TV deal.

Surely if people like to see them, it makes more sense for them to ride for two different teams? That way rather than going to one meeting to see them, people will have to go to 2.

 

 

Don`t beat around the bush,say what you really think....

Like you do about sausage rolls?

[Steve Shovlar]

Matt Ford has said that Poole made a profit in 2013, using Ward, Holder and Hancock. Poole can afford to run with Ward and Holder. Poole are promoted correctly and bring in good sponsorship and the crowds to see the turbo twins in action.

 

When Poole ride away, clubs normally get their biggest crowds of the season, hoping their clubs best riders will show either Ward or Holder the quickest way home.

 

Yet because some of these clubs are not promoted properly, they loose money. In doing so they want costs cut, meaning a lower points limit, which affects Poole, the one glamour club in the league at this time. So Poole can't go with Holder and Ward on a 38 points limit. So no more pulling in the crowds when Poole are on their travels as the team has no rider in the side which draws in the punters.

 

Poole are just being dragged down to the levels of the teams that fail to promote. So we all have to ride at the level of the failure clubs. And when Poole come to town and all those extra fans fail to turn up because there's no Ward and Holder, these promoters will want the points limit reduced still further this time next year.

 

On a totally selfish point of view it's time to throw out the points limit as it currently works. Let teams build their teams between 38-45. If Poole want to track a team within their budget, so be it. Let's be honest here, though many on here won't like this. All teams start equal, but some teams are more equal than others. Regardless of the points limit Poole will still have a top team because they can afford the best riders on the lowest average. Nothing will change other than the riders that draw a crowd will be lost.

 

So what id Poole are stronger than many. In the premier league football there's only 3 or 4 clubs likely to win the league. Same goes with speedway. NO disrespect to Eastbourne or Belle Vue, but they have as much chance of winning the league as Stoke or West Brom. The occasional win against a big gun to keep the fans happy.

 

A selfish post no doubt about it, but crowds will drop if the top crowd pullers are missing, regardless of closer racing or not. Magic at number one for Poole ain't going to cut it for the fans.

[Steve0]

The "I'm alright Jack" attitude won't be any good when there are no teams to race against!

[LagutaRacingFan]

Matt Ford has said that Poole made a profit in 2013, using Ward, Holder and Hancock. Poole can afford to run with Ward and Holder. Poole are promoted correctly and bring in good sponsorship and the crowds to see the turbo twins in action.

 

When Poole ride away, clubs normally get their biggest crowds of the season, hoping their clubs best riders will show either Ward or Holder the quickest way home.

 

Yet because some of these clubs are not promoted properly, they loose money. In doing so they want costs cut, meaning a lower points limit, which affects Poole, the one glamour club in the league at this time. So Poole can't go with Holder and Ward on a 38 points limit. So no more pulling in the crowds when Poole are on their travels as the team has no rider in the side which draws in the punters.

 

Poole are just being dragged down to the levels of the teams that fail to promote. So we all have to ride at the level of the failure clubs. And when Poole come to town and all those extra fans fail to turn up because there's no Ward and Holder, these promoters will want the points limit reduced still further this time next year.

 

On a totally selfish point of view it's time to throw out the points limit as it currently works. Let teams build their teams between 38-45. If Poole want to track a team within their budget, so be it. Let's be honest here, though many on here won't like this. All teams start equal, but some teams are more equal than others. Regardless of the points limit Poole will still have a top team because they can afford the best riders on the lowest average. Nothing will change other than the riders that draw a crowd will be lost.

 

So what id Poole are stronger than many. In the premier league football there's only 3 or 4 clubs likely to win the league. Same goes with speedway. NO disrespect to Eastbourne or Belle Vue, but they have as much chance of winning the league as Stoke or West Brom. The occasional win against a big gun to keep the fans happy.

 

A selfish post no doubt about it, but crowds will drop if the top crowd pullers are missing, regardless of closer racing or not. Magic at number one for Poole ain't going to cut it for

the fans.

 

Spot on, Big clubs like Poole and Peterborough are being held back due to cost-cutting nature of smaller clubs like Coventry, Eastbourne, Lakeside and Belle Vue.

 

Get rid of the points limit, Send the clubs who want to drive the points limits down to the Premier or national league and leave the big boys in the Elite League

Edited November 16, 2013 by Hougaard Racing Fans

[Steve Shovlar]

The "I'm alright Jack" attitude won't be any good when there are no teams to race against!

Its not an alright Jack attitude. Let teams build to what they can afford. Nothing good will come out of this low points limit other than lose all the top riders, mark my words. Poole are being hit by this rule when they can afford the top guys no problem. So we all have to dumb down to Eastbourne and Belle Vue's level because that all they can afford? What next? 34 points next year?

 

Let those clubs with small pockets ride on 38 points. They will never win anything anyway. Let the bigger clubs chose to ride at a points limit they can afford. These clubs would be at the top anyway so they may as well have the best riders. At least the smaller clubs will see the Wards and Holders at their club and that will bring extra revenue through the gate at no expense to their promotion.

[Noodles]

Its not an alright Jack attitude. Let teams build to what they can afford. Nothing good will come out of this low points limit other than lose all the top riders, mark my words. Poole are being hit by this rule when they can afford the top guys no problem. So we all have to dumb down to Eastbourne and Belle Vue's level because that all they can afford? What next? 34 points next year?

 

Let those clubs with small pockets ride on 38 points. They will never win anything anyway. Let the bigger clubs chose to ride at a points limit they can afford. These clubs would be at the top anyway so they may as well have the best riders. At least the smaller clubs will see the Wards and Holders at their club and that will bring extra revenue through the gate at no expense to their promotion.

The 'I'm alright jack' argument well and truly defended.

[500cc]

Matt Ford has said that Poole made a profit in 2013, using Ward, Holder and Hancock. Poole can afford to run with Ward and Holder. Poole are promoted correctly and bring in good sponsorship and the crowds to see the turbo twins in action.

 

When Poole ride away, clubs normally get their biggest crowds of the season, hoping their clubs best riders will show either Ward or Holder the quickest way home.

 

Yet because some of these clubs are not promoted properly, they loose money. In doing so they want costs cut, meaning a lower points limit, which affects Poole, the one glamour club in the league at this time. So Poole can't go with Holder and Ward on a 38 points limit. So no more pulling in the crowds when Poole are on their travels as the team has no rider in the side which draws in the punters.

 

Poole are just being dragged down to the levels of the teams that fail to promote. So we all have to ride at the level of the failure clubs. And when Poole come to town and all those extra fans fail to turn up because there's no Ward and Holder, these promoters will want the points limit reduced still further this time next year.

 

On a totally selfish point of view it's time to throw out the points limit as it currently works. Let teams build their teams between 38-45. If Poole want to track a team within their budget, so be it. Let's be honest here, though many on here won't like this. All teams start equal, but some teams are more equal than others. Regardless of the points limit Poole will still have a top team because they can afford the best riders on the lowest average. Nothing will change other than the riders that draw a crowd will be lost.

 

So what id Poole are stronger than many. In the premier league football there's only 3 or 4 clubs likely to win the league. Same goes with speedway. NO disrespect to Eastbourne or Belle Vue, but they have as much chance of winning the league as Stoke or West Brom. The occasional win against a big gun to keep the fans happy.

 

A selfish post no doubt about it, but crowds will drop if the top crowd pullers are missing, regardless of closer racing or not. Magic at number one for Poole ain't going to cut it for the fans.

But Steve your so missing the point. The sport can't afford the riders. We are witnessing the final stages of self destruction by the self centered attitude of the majority of promoters.

 

You are suggesting that if Holder and Ward don't ride at Poole its the fault of other clubs. Now I'm impressed that Matt Ford has an extra £100,000 worth of sponsorship available for next season, but can you expect many or any other teams to generate that kind of increase. I certainly don't see it.

[Pirate Nick]

But Steve your so missing the point. The sport can't afford the riders. We are witnessing the final stages of self destruction by the self centered attitude of the majority of promoters.

 

You are suggesting that if Holder and Ward don't ride at Poole its the fault of other clubs. Now I'm impressed that Matt Ford has an extra £100,000 worth of sponsorship available for next season, but can you expect many or any other teams to generate that kind of increase. I certainly don't see it.

Why can't other teams generate that amount of sponsorship. I am fed up with people posting Poole are lucky with the amount of sponsors they have. It's quite a coincidence that the harder Matt works the luckier he is in attracting sponsors.

[Pirate Nick]

But Steve your so missing the point. The sport can't afford the riders. We are witnessing the final stages of self destruction by the self centered attitude of the majority of promoters.

 

You are suggesting that if Holder and Ward don't ride at Poole its the fault of other clubs. Now I'm impressed that Matt Ford has an extra £100,000 worth of sponsorship available for next season, but can you expect many or any other teams to generate that kind of increase. I certainly don't see it.

Why can't other teams generate that amount of sponsorship. I am fed up with people posting Poole are lucky with the amount of sponsors they have. It's quite a coincidence that the harder Matt works the luckier he is in attracting sponsors.

[500cc]

Why can't other teams generate that amount of sponsorship. I am fed up with people posting Poole are lucky with the amount of sponsors they have. It's quite a coincidence that the harder Matt works the luckier he is in attracting sponsors.

I doubt anybody is arguing that Ford isn't the leader by a mile when it comes to generating income for his team. As a negotiator he also does a great job. To get Holder and Ward (and credit to them) on cheaper contracts than many other riders in the league is quite a coup.

 

I just don't think many of these other riders will ride in the UK if they were to earn at the same rate as Holder and Ward. Whilst those two are committed, I doubt many others are.

 

Now if Ward and Holder continue to agree terms and ride that is fine. But at the same time I think the other teams should ditch their overpaid foreigners. I think they are a massive cost to the sport in this country, and many aren't worth that cost. It's time for them to build from the base upwards. Whilst Poole will dominate in the short term, going forward those teams can look to compete eventually.

 

Costs though do need managing. As an entity, British Speedway can't afford the current set-up.

[Woz01]

Hasnt Ford stated himself that cutbacks need to be made, even the mighty Poole would miss the Sky money. Id say only Poole and possibly Coventry and Wolves would be able to compete at a proper EL level but 3 sides doesnt make a league.

[T.N.T.]

Poole made a profit even by employing Ward and Hancock/Holder ..... Wolves made a profit with Woffinden and Lindgren.

 

 

That's four of the top five riders in the 2013 season at tracks that made a profit last season. HOWEVER you then look at riders like Andersen, Batchelor, Kildemand, Doyle, Harris, King etc that were all quality heat leaders and rode for very succesful teams in 2013 but they struggled financially which became public.

 

 

We can't run a league with just the three or four clubs that can afford to pay the big riders and we cannot let speedway get lke football where the same teams are always going to compete for the title while othrs just try and avoid bottom place. Speedway is one of a few sports that helps the smaller teams start the following season on a level par and that has to continue.

 

 

No one is saying Matt Ford can't sign both Ward and Holder, but it will mean they will have to sign five very low averaging riders to fit under the limit. If that's they way they want to go, then fine but other teams that have struggled in recent years like Belle Vue, Coventry etc must start 2014 on a level playing field.

[Trees]

Equality at the start of the season makes speedway, NO WAY do we want some teams on 38 and some on 45!!!! Stupid idea!

[MattK]

Equality at the start of the season makes speedway, NO WAY do we want some teams on 38 and some on 45!!!! Stupid idea!

 

Makes speedway what?

 

Even though ever team starts with the same points limit, it is fairly obvious which teams will come out top at the end of the season.

 

Makes you wonder if the points limit isn't part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.