SteveLyric2 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Yes, they have. And, when it was unwise to do so (shall we say) and got collared by the authorities, paid the price, in many circumstances with their jobs. I had no sympathy with those, I have none for Ward. Drinking is an option not compulsory. The wise know when not to take the option. Even the wisest of the wise get it wrong in certain circumstances!! Again I don't condone it and he should be punished appropriately, when all factors (ie how much alcohol on his breath) are known. The order of the day should become compulsory testing for all riders at FIM meetings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 The order of the day should become compulsory testing for all riders at FIM meetings. Change that to all riders at all meetings. They are professionals just the same as bus drivers, train drivers, pilots etc and no one thinks they should drink before going to work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Change that to all riders at all meetings. They are professionals just the same as bus drivers, train drivers, pilots etc and no one thinks they should drink before going to work. But there have been many cases where train drivers and pilots have!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Doesn't make it right tho does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Even the wisest of the wise get it wrong in certain circumstances!! The problem is Darcy gets it wrong time after time. He got it wrong with that young girl (even if he didn't break any laws - even his own legal team said what he did was morally reprehensible!), the got it wrong that night he went out to the pub with Middlo and ended up getting clobbered, he got it wrong when he took drugs, he got it wrong again that night when he evaded the police. Then he got it wrong this weekend when he got drunk the night before a GP (and it wasn't a few drinks, in 15 hours you can go from struggling to walk to alcohol free - he was drunk Saturday night!). How many more times can he be allowed to get it wrong and get away with is lightly. He need to learn. He need a ban. And while Im advocating a ban I'll miss watching the arrogant little rubbish but if you dont ban him he'll do more and more bad stuff and one day he may do something really bad - like life ruining bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 The order of the day should become compulsory testing for all riders at FIM meetings. Is it known exactly why he was picked to take an alcohol test? Since it's not even regularly done, somebody must have had a reason for him to be tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I would imagine the local paper, from where it seems the quote came, asked him for a comment. They probably did. Whenever there is any sort of situation like this the press will always phone up some rent-a-mouth and ask for a quote, and Muddlo is always more than happy to oblige. Its just that on the basis of his past comments he has been become a bit of an embarrassment to the sport and to Ward. Bottom line is that Muddlo is just a hired hand in the least significant of the three clubs Darcy rides for. He is doing Darcy's tarnished reputation more harm than good by getting involved. I notice Ford has the good sense to keep quiet until a clearer picture emerges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Is it known exactly why he was picked to take an alcohol test? Since it's not even regularly done, somebody must have had a reason for him to be tested. Its done at every meeting on a random selective basis!! Maybe the test a couple of weeks ago - which was negative - was the reason. Maybe it was the same tester. Maybe he was 'shopped' by others who could have been equally in the wrong but not tested!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) The problem is Darcy gets it wrong time after time. He got it wrong with that young girl (even if he didn't break any laws - even his own legal team said what he did was morally reprehensible!), the got it wrong that night he went out to the pub with Middlo and ended up getting clobbered, he got it wrong when he took drugs, he got it wrong again that night when he evaded the police. Then he got it wrong this weekend when he got drunk the night before a GP (and it wasn't a few drinks, in 15 hours you can go from struggling to walk to alcohol free - he was drunk Saturday night!). How many more times can he be allowed to get it wrong and get away with is lightly. He need to learn. He need a ban. And while Im advocating a ban I'll miss watching the arrogant little rubbish but if you dont ban him he'll do more and more bad stuff and one day he may do something really bad - like life ruining bad. I am around the same age as Darcy and to be honest I've probably made enough of those mistakes myself. I don't think the young girl thing is fair, from what I understand about the case it is not much different to how life is every weekend in town. A lot of girls dress and act very provocatively after they have had a few drinks and they do have a habit of throwing themselves at you! Wasn't she also a big fan of Darcy Ward and speedway? I honestly think that Darcy did little or no wrong in that scenario and no different to how most men would of acted in the same scenario. I've been in fights, I've taken my fair share of drugs, I've been on the wrong side of the law and I've definitely not been fit for work on some occasions! I am not proud of these things and as much as I would like to avoid saying "Isn't that what they do these days" unfortunately that is what people do these days. A lot of it comes down to peer pressure and feeling left out if you aren't a part of it. I wasn't strong enough to resist it myself, and at the time I thought I was having a brilliant time. I know I have definitely learned some very valuable lessons and they have all played a part in making me who I am today. In a way I feel much stronger from the experience. Darcy deserves a ban and will benefit from some time away from the sport. I sincerely hope he will come back a much better rider and stronger man in general, but to say he is a bad person, or has had too many chances is just not fair. He is a young man who is divided between friends who still haven't grown up and being a very professional sportsman with a hell of a lot of expectation on his shoulders. Edited August 18, 2014 by Charizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 The order of the day should become compulsory testing for all riders at FIM meetings. Compulsory measuring of engines would probably stop more misdemeanours. They are never checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted August 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Anyway following events this weekend I cannot see anything but a ban for Ward and rightly so, so will Holder be back at Poole maybe KK?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I am around the same age as Darcy and to be honest I've probably made enough of those mistakes myself. I don't think the young girl thing is fair, from what I understand about the case it is not much different to how life is every weekend in town. A lot of girls dress and act very provocatively after they have had a few drinks and they do have a habit of throwing themselves at you! Wasn't she also a big fan of Darcy Ward and speedway? I honestly think that Darcy did little or no wrong in that scenario and no different to how most men would of acted in the same scenario. I've been in fights, I've taken my fair share of drugs, I've been on the wrong side of the law and I've definitely not been fit for work on some occasions! I am not proud of these things and as much as I would like to avoid saying "Isn't that what they do these days" unfortunately that is what people do these days. A lot of it comes down to peer pressure and feeling left out if you aren't a part of it. I know I have definitely learned some very valuable lessons and they have all had their part in making me who I am today. Are you one of a couple of riders who could not be named???????? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason.C Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I do not condone wards actions at all, however it is common knowledge that most riders enjoy a drink or 5, maybe something a bit more at times! This has been the case for years. I can't help but feel as this is darcy and his relation to Poole, people are forgetting this. Perhaps instead of randomly selecting a few riders for testing, all riders should be expected to undergo testing. If they have nothing to hide, I shouldn't imagine there would be a problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) Anyway following events this weekend I cannot see anything but a ban for Ward and rightly so, so will Holder be back at Poole maybe KK?? Following the events of this weekend, I cannot see anything on the BSI / SGP web site about what is being done in respect of Ward's continuation in the series. What is happening? Is Ward going to help the FIM with their enquiries? Will there be a disciplinary hearing or not? Neither is there anything on either the BSPA or Poole's web sites, to say what the UK authorities are going to do about the rider who plies his trade in this country. And if his conduct causes him to suffer disciplinary punishment by the authorities, how will the UK Borders Agency consider his next application for a visa to work in the UK? Isn't there some kind of "fit and proper persons" criteria that he has to pass? Edited August 18, 2014 by The Pedaler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I do not condone wards actions at all, however it is common knowledge that most riders enjoy a drink or 5, maybe something a bit more at times! This has been the case for years. I can't help but feel as this is darcy and his relation to Poole, people are forgetting this. Perhaps instead of randomly selecting a few riders for testing, all riders should be expected to undergo testing. If they have nothing to hide, I shouldn't imagine there would be a problem. So that's why Nicki P doesn't drink during the Speedway season - and I'm pretty sure there are more riders like him than there are like DW. Riders work out what their priorities are. The likes of Greg Hancock, Nicki P and Tai Woffinden seem to think training and eating healthily is important for their success. I may not like Nicki P - but I appreciate that he thinks the demands of the sport means abstention from alcohol during the season. Greg Hancock may not be everyone's favourite - but he has worked hard to stay fit and healthy and still be successful in Speedway in his forties. Tai Woffinden and Emil S are the same age as Darcy Ward but we never hear adverse comments about their behaviour - and they've both had the death of their fathers to contend with. I think I read that Tai had now raised £70k this year for Great Ormand Street Hospital. What a rider does off the track is often as important as what he does on the track. Nicki P, Greg Hancock - and many others - do not create a poor image of the sport that Darcy Ward does... and no-one but Darcy is to blame for his actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason.C Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I agree with most of what you say scribbler, but please don't ignore, when i clearly stated I do not condone darcys actions. If you dig deep enough, or even scrape a bit off the surface even, you will find most riders are just as guilty as darcy now or have been in the past. But I acknowledge that doesn't mean everyone. I still maintain a stricter testing procedure should be introduced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee 26 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Good job they never did a breath test on Billy J back in the day!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Darcy has been really stupid and must now face the punishment that is hand end out. I am not going to defend the actions. This is Poole 2014 thread and we are now coming to the sharp end of the season. Poole are obviously in the running again this year and will have to make changes if Darcy is unable to carry on. They would have to replace him but with whom. I have my own thoughts but it would be interesting to hear from others for their views. I know there are many pro and many anti Poole people on this forum so it could have some very varied views. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 And still we don't know about this "bad news".. I really want to post my true thoughts on what he perceives as bad news but i wont, as i fear it will spark something here.. Cant be a bereavement or one of his lackies, ie Middeditch would have piped up by now - me thinks a girlfriend story that cant be proved/disproved easily. Any bad news is nothing worse than Emil losing his father the night before a GP or Woffy having to face his first GP season and losing his father prior to starting the Series. Neither turned to drink as the answer. Or used it as an excuse either. His `bad news` wont be any worse than what other riders have already been thru prior to a GP. lets just hope they do away with the "FARCE TRACK RESERVE RIDERs" system mixing the leagues was never a good idea... Lets hope not. Lets hope it is looked at and adjusted for fairness. Can't help but feel for Darcy. The guy has been very stupid and he will certainly pay the price but a lot of people on here seem to be using his mistake as an excuse just to be malicious towards not only Darcy, but also Neil and Poole Think EVERYONE would feel for Darcy ................ if this was the first time something had happened. The reason, and rightly so, people have little sympathy for Darcy is because most of us knew that something would happen YET AGAIN. He has got away with too much already. The only reason Middlo has been brought into the picture is because he is supposed to be some sort of `mentor/father figure` to him. The same Middlo who thinks that drinking, taking drugs and fleeing from the police is `what kids do these days`. The problem is Darcy gets it wrong time after time. He got it wrong with that young girl (even if he didn't break any laws - even his own legal team said what he did was morally reprehensible!), the got it wrong that night he went out to the pub with Middlo and ended up getting clobbered, he got it wrong when he took drugs, he got it wrong again that night when he evaded the police. Then he got it wrong this weekend when he got drunk the night before a GP (and it wasn't a few drinks, in 15 hours you can go from struggling to walk to alcohol free - he was drunk Saturday night!). How many more times can he be allowed to get it wrong and get away with is lightly. He need to learn. He need a ban. And while Im advocating a ban I'll miss watching the arrogant little rubbish but if you dont ban him he'll do more and more bad stuff and one day he may do something really bad - like life ruining bad. Well said. To not punish this time would be potentially a catastrophe to himself or other riders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naffer Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I thought he was growing up a bit and handling himself better in interviews and acting with a tad more maturity then he does this. Throw the book at him . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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