TMW Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 I've heard of the cheering when riders fall off but I can't say it's been evident at the meetings I've attended (even Dudley) but today as I stood on the 1st turn at West Row I actually witnessed the whole of the 1st turn clapping when Ben Morley fell off and hit the fence in Ht 13 and I was astonished. Just saying !!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 I've heard of the cheering when riders fall off but I can't say it's been evident at the meetings I've attended (even Dudley) but today as I stood on the 1st turn at West Row I actually witnessed the whole of the 1st turn clapping when Ben Morley fell off and hit the fence in Ht 13 and I was astonished. Just saying !!!!!! I thought they were sportsmanlike at Mildenhall, Just saying !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted September 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 I thought they were sportsmanlike at Mildenhall, Just saying !!! I know they were probably only doing it as an automatic reaction to Morley being excluded and that meant a better chance of points for their riders but it was bad!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 Ive heard it at Mildenhall a few times unfortunately but it seems to be creeping in everyhehere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhidassa Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Ive heard it at Mildenhall a few times unfortunately but it seems to be creeping in everyhehere I used to go to Mildenhall pretty much weekly as a second track until a few years back; now the cheering fans is one of the reasons I rarely go, or if I do go, I effectively try to stand where there are as few people as possible to avoid any cheering (it's not that I'm anti-social, it's just that I struggle not to react if I hear cheering, and I don't want to get into arguments). Sad to say since then I've heard it at other tracks. (I'm not saying its just Mildenhall - just in my personal experience, I'd had it worse there. Obviously I can't speak for recent years.) I know people say 'it's a reaction to how it will affect the team' etc, but my first reaction is always shock/concern at the crash. Edited September 23, 2013 by rhidassa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommer Mon Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 I must be one of the 'bad boys'! I have to confess allowing myself the odd cheer when an opposing rider either falls, touches the tapes or suffers an engine failure because it means more points for my team and frankly I don't understand how a passionate fan could say they never do this. I think it is only natural when the pressure is on in a meeting. That does not mean to say that I will be applauding when a rider is lying on the track or goes flying into the fence at high speed. I won't. You can usually tell when its a serious crash (and I do accept that occasionally innocuous looking falls can result in injuries). Nobody wants to see riders hurt - no matter who they ride for but I think a quick cheer needs to be taken in context. Maybe I take it all a bit too seriously but I thought that was the point of supporting your team.. I'm off for my counselling session now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 Cheering a rider falling is part of supporting your team!!! Deary me. Sorry but its not acceptable no matter how passionate you are. If it was your son riding and they fell no matter how inocious you would be ok with people cheering would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo b Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 I must be one of the 'bad boys'! I have to confess allowing myself the odd cheer when an opposing rider either falls, touches the tapes or suffers an engine failure because it means more points for my team and frankly I don't understand how a passionate fan could say they never do this. I think it is only natural when the pressure is on in a meeting. That does not mean to say that I will be applauding when a rider is lying on the track or goes flying into the fence at high speed. I won't. You can usually tell when its a serious crash (and I do accept that occasionally innocuous looking falls can result in injuries). Nobody wants to see riders hurt - no matter who they ride for but I think a quick cheer needs to be taken in context. Maybe I take it all a bit too seriously but I thought that was the point of supporting your team.. I'm off for my counselling session now! I think your post is an honest one, and i fully understand your rationale. If im honest I too have cheered slightly if a rider falls or has an engine failure, but this is not that I wish any harm on anyone, no matter who they ride for, it just seems like the natural reaction at the time. It happens in various forms of sport so I dont think speedway is alone. Its the same feeling really that causes me to love the sport, when a rider gets through on the line to beat another rider. I really like boxing and cheer when the fighter I am backing hits the other fighter with quality clean shots, as this is part and parcel, I wish no lasting harm to the other fighter other than him or her not being able to continue in that bout, basically the same as if a rider falls or has engine trouble, they are then unable to carry on, and a victory is ours ! It really would be bad if anyone actually wanted someone to be harmed, but I dont think that is the case, hardly ever, so good luck to all riders just fall off and get back up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhidassa Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'd personally say if a rider touches a tapes or has an engine failure at the line (or retires at the back/in a way that doesn't cause an accident) a cheer is fine, but very different to a crash. I try to remember that I could be stood next to that rider's family/partner at the time, and how they would feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) You can usually tell if a crash is a bad one and fans don't usually cheer cos the rider himself has crashed and hurt himself but because their team has got an advantage. Re the family standing beside you, they have to take it as banter and as above, if they want to stand within the speedway crowd they have to develop broad shoulders! I know we'll always have to agree to disagree on these points Edited September 23, 2013 by Trees 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted September 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) You can usually tell if a crash is a bad one and fans don't usually cheer cos the rider himself has crashed and hurt himself but because their team has got an advantage. Re the family standing beside you, they have to take it as banter and as above, if they want to stand within the speedway crowd they have to develop broad shoulders! I know we'll always have to agree to disagree on these points It wasn't cheering it was clapping as if they felt their rider had been aggrieved and Ben was getting his just deserts (probably because he got a great gate and the referee pulled it back). That is why I raised it as an issue, which is wrong. Edited September 23, 2013 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhidassa Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 You can usually tell if a crash is a bad one and fans don't usually cheer cos the rider himself has crashed and hurt himself but because their team has got an advantage. Re the family standing beside you, they have to take it as banter and as above, if they want to stand within the speedway crowd they have to develop broad shoulders! I know we'll always have to agree to disagree on these points You know we'll be continuing this debate on Wednesday... and even if a crash doesn't appear a bad one, it doesn't mean the rider hasn't hurt himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embique Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 The cheering was because the opposition rider had fallen while leading (Ben Morley had just passed Dan Halsey to take the lead) in an important heat which Mildenhall went on to get a 5-1 in. Mildenhall couldn't afford a 3-3 and so their supporters were simply delighted at Morley losing the lead. I can't believe supporters that want to see a rider get hurt but unfortunately there are some out there. There is nothing wrong with supporting your team but cheering when there is a big crash is disgusting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniev123 Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 You know we'll be continuing this debate on Wednesday... and even if a crash doesn't appear a bad one, it doesn't mean the rider hasn't hurt himself. why????????????? Wednesday does not have Mildenhall/IofW riding does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 You can usually tell if a crash is a bad one and fans don't usually cheer cos the rider himself has crashed and hurt himself but because their team has got an advantage. Re the family standing beside you, they have to take it as banter and as above, if they want to stand within the speedway crowd they have to develop broad shoulders! I know we'll always have to agree to disagree on these points You know we'll be continuing this debate on Wednesday... and even if a crash doesn't appear a bad one, it doesn't mean the rider hasn't hurt himself. why????????????? Wednesday does not have Mildenhall/IofW riding does it? I suspect bernie123,, both trees and rhidassa, are both local to Kings Lynn, and are probably attending the Kings Lynn v Heathens meeting, Im sure they will confirm this, so dont worry its not Mildenhall V IOW this Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhidassa Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) I suspect bernie123,, both trees and rhidassa, are both local to Kings Lynn, and are probably attending the Kings Lynn v Heathens meeting, Im sure they will confirm this, so dont worry its not Mildenhall V IOW this Wednesday. Indeed we will, and as I don't fully agree with what she says, I'll be continuing the debate in person Edited September 24, 2013 by rhidassa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommer Mon Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Cheering a rider falling is part of supporting your team!!! Deary me. Sorry but its not acceptable no matter how passionate you are. If it was your son riding and they fell no matter how inocious you would be ok with people cheering would you? If he'd slid off on his own then I would have expected the opposition to cheer it if he was scoring points against them at the time. If he had gone flying into the fence or been involved in a high speed shunt with several other riders then that would be out of order. As I said.....there is a difference and most fans can spot a bad one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 You know we'll be continuing this debate on Wednesday... and even if a crash doesn't appear a bad one, it doesn't mean the rider hasn't hurt himself. I doubt any rider falls without it hurting a bit .......... I'd like to think that no fan would cheer because a rider has hurt himself but because their team gets an advantage out of it ........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I've heard of the cheering when riders fall off but I can't say it's been evident at the meetings I've attended (even Dudley) but today as I stood on the 1st turn at West Row I actually witnessed the whole of the 1st turn clapping when Ben Morley fell off and hit the fence in Ht 13 and I was astonished. Just saying !!!!!! I've heard of the cheering when riders fall off but I can't say it's been evident at the meetings I've attended (even Dudley) but today as I stood on the 1st turn at West Row I actually witnessed the whole of the 1st turn clapping when Ben Morley fell off and hit the fence in Ht 13 and I was astonished. Just saying !!!!!! I've heard of the cheering when riders fall off but I can't say it's been evident at the meetings I've attended (even Dudley) but today as I stood on the 1st turn at West Row I actually witnessed the whole of the 1st turn clapping when Ben Morley fell off and hit the fence in Ht 13 and I was astonished. Just saying !!!!!! Well , you go to Leicester every week so you should be well accustomed to bad sportsmanship by now , unless of course your are deaf and blind ,,,Just saying !!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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