Guest Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) I also note John Hyam, hiding behind his rock as 'gustix' endorsed your posting. There is no greater discredit to your posting than to have that man's endorsement. This quote refers to a comment by rmc in regard to an original Post re SKY TV by westhamboy 66 in this thread:: ::::: rmc - Surely there is no greater endorsement of Westhamboy than your knowledgeable disapproval? Edited November 4, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Just seen an update on speedway on Sky sports for 2014. They are still very quite about things saying that the contract is still up for grabs, not very good English. But they are stating that they are hopeful of getting the contract which is good news or that it may go to one of their rival broadcaters, so even more hopeful news. We shall no doubt soon find out, who gets it or will no one bother with it, it would be a great loss for British Speedway if we lose it on our TV's it had been in the wilderness for so many years till Sky came along and started to show it. I can remember the days when you used to get one of two races a year on the BBC'S Grandstand Programme and it was a few to say the least. I hope for our sport that we do not lose what we have now, with weekly Speedway. Eurosport have the Gp's and a few other races and good for them but would they consider doing weekly British Speedway or is any body else willing to take over the broadcasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Losing Sky may be a blessing. Naturally I'd sooner keep it. As a stay-at-home fan, I may have to make efforts to attend my local circuitsfor my ration. How many others will have to do what i will? Then again, you have to then gauge the loss of Sky revenue and the possible influx of fans back to the terraces. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 I still think that Speedway on SKY Television is very much a double edged sword. On the one hand - it is very nice to have Speedway on Television - BUT - on the other hand, are the things that Speedway has had to do to fit in with the Television requirements. To my mind SKY Television has had far too much input in to the way the Sport is run in this Country. NOT for the better either. My views on the Play Offs, Double Points etc. are well known on here and I have no need to repeat them. The Sport, myself and I know others, believe has certainly lost something since the advent of SKY. More importantly it has lost Spectators too. In the Sport/Entertainment business - that is NOT good News. As Moxey63 states above - he may have to go to a few Meetings if SKY do not renew their Speedway Contract. Hopefully there will be quite a lot like him, because personally I don't believe the Sport of Speedway should be 'in hock' to ANY Television Company, or any other Business for that matter. On balance I think that Speedway can do without Television for the League Meetings. The GPs are still available for those who won't go to their local Track. I would just urge people who, for whatever reason, have stopped attending Meetings to go and support their Local Track - it may NOT be there much longer if you don't. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 I still think that Speedway on SKY Television is very much a double edged sword. On the one hand - it is very nice to have Speedway on Television - BUT - on the other hand, are the things that Speedway has had to do to fit in with the Television requirements. To my mind SKY Television has had far too much input in to the way the Sport is run in this Country. NOT for the better either. My views on the Play Offs, Double Points etc. are well known on here and I have no need to repeat them. The Sport, myself and I know others, believe has certainly lost something since the advent of SKY. More importantly it has lost Spectators too. In the Sport/Entertainment business - that is NOT good News. As Moxey63 states above - he may have to go to a few Meetings if SKY do not renew their Speedway Contract. Hopefully there will be quite a lot like him, because personally I don't believe the Sport of Speedway should be 'in hock' to ANY Television Company, or any other Business for that matter. On balance I think that Speedway can do without Television for the League Meetings. The GPs are still available for those who won't go to their local Track. I would just urge people who, for whatever reason, have stopped attending Meetings to go and support their Local Track - it may NOT be there much longer if you don't. A very good post. Almost every sport from Rugby League to Football, Cricket etc have suffered a degree of re organization that the paying public are not happy with. That said it is the armchair fans who are better thought of by Sky as that is where they earn their income. As a Speedway fan who is a traditionalist i haven't liked the direction the top flight league has taken and find that meetings shown on sky are generally poor and this is a contributing factor to a downturn in the crowds. OK so without sky the income will fall and so will the level of competition in the Elite League. That said this may well be a Godsend as it seems to me that its a classic situation that sees Speedway needing to take a couple of steps backwards to stabilise then move forward. This should see the end of the high priced average foreign riders and an upsurge of British talent coming through from the PL. As things improve then the top riders may well be enticed back. If it doesn't happen that way then i think we all fear there will only be a couple of tracks able to sustain their current situation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 I was surprised after attending Buxton for my first in-the-flesh meeting a month ago just how much I missed the sport, its live version. The smell, sound of the bikes... it was totally different than watching the last 5 years live TV matches. Nothing had changed with the sport, but that I actually rekindled my fondness of the sport due to attending one meeting really opened my eyes. Speedway is special. If promoters can't see the future and where they want to take it, other than a one season at a time approach (followed from week-to-week when we're into that season), then hand it over to someone who can. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 I see that I am not allowed to comment on anything you say on the basis that it must be due to a personal dislike. Well, you are correct, I do have a very strong personal dislike due to the offensive way you have spoken to me on here. However, unlike yourself I based my comments on what you wrote, not as a cheap opportunity to score puerile points. You really are a very nasty piece of work. I really could not give a damn about your opinion of my work on Screen Sport since your comments are clearly based on personal venom, not reason. I make no great claims for what I did in speedway many years ago, but at least I got off my backside and did them unlike poisonous snipers like you. Yes it was amateurish, but on a budget of £1000 per hour what do you expect? At least we tried to help the sport, at considerable personal cost. It's 'supporters' like you who make it such a pleasure not to have any professional involvement in the sport now. 'Grow up'? I suggest you look in the mirror. One thing you can be sure of in speedway, no matter what you try to achieve there will always be someone like you to make you regret it. I remember you turning on me initially because I dared to criticise football. What a shocking crime! I also note John Hyam, hiding behind his rock as 'gustix' endorsed your posting. There is no greater discredit to your posting than to have that man's endorsement. I've tried to help this debate by offering points from my knowledge of television generally. As ever, you can rely on ignorant posters such as yourself to make you regret it. As for getting out to see meetings, I would love to but ill health has prevented me for most of this season. A very cheap shot from a very cheap person. Anyway, you like Sky. Great, now what has that got to do with the future of speedway on TV? Nothing, which is why I responded, but you obviously don't have the intelligence to understand that. RMC you have said much about me and that is your choice. In almost a thousand posts i have had two disagreements with other members one a Sheffield supporter and another a well known member of the forum who has for many years announced at various tracks. On both occassions we exchanged frank views via a private message, apologies were made by each of us, we agreed to disagree and we live happily within the forum. When we had a spat you were very rude in a private message and then chose to block me before i had a chance to respond privately. You have said above that i am without intelligence, called me ignorant and a cheap person. I don't wish to make a response as that would be boring for everyone. However i have not seen or heard anything about you since 1986 and as such would have no knowledge of your health or inability to watch speedway and my comment about getting out to speedway was a general comment not aimed at you. I wish no one ill health nor would i make a cheap shot as you put it. My comments as far as watching speedway on line or screensport hold good when compared with the sky production. I did at no time mention your involvement. I hope that clarifies the situation something i would normally not do but such was the attack on John Hyam, gustix and myself that a response needed to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 To my mind SKY Television has had far too much input in to the way the Sport is run in this Country. NOT for the better either. Do we actually have any evidence that Sky influenced any of these things? The tactical ride was undoubtedly more down to being a cost-saving mechanism, whilst 'playoffs' have been introduced in many sports. I personally don't consider these changes to be that heinous if they revitalise the sport, and few would disagree that the 'playoffs' maintain interest to the end of the season and tend to draw good crowds. The double points nonsense admittedly doesn't do much for the credibility of the sport, but there are far worse problems that need to be addressed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 The results of the tender process for future coverage of the Champions League (Football!) matches will be known by next Thursday - 7th November!! The winners (and losers) will undoubtedly have an impact on whether Speedway features on Sky - at a reduced financial level - in the future!!!!!? So Sky have lost out to BT Sport for the 2015/16 Champions League TV rights, thereby saving £millions. Maybe Speedway on TV might be 'saved' after all!!? (ps. If 'saved' is the correct word to use, rather than deferring the inevitable?!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) Looking at both sides of having SKY involved in the sport, I am moving very much in favour of having no Sky involved in league racing and let them concentrate on just the World Cup. Maybe even look at transmitting Polish or Swedish Speedway but that would copst them even more money which is unlikely. While I love to see the big names do battle, I would be quite content watching these mainly in the GP's, SEC or WTC with British Speedway filling team places with a more balanced line ups with present 6+ riders as heat leaders and riders like Howarth or Newman at reserve. Plus looking at possible Wolves line ups for next season like Woffinden, Proctor, Wells, Thorssell, L Lindgren, Masters and Aspgren then I'm quite looking forward to next season more than ever. Also take note that without SKY the double tactical points would almost certainly be taken out and a return of tactical substitutes bought back instead. ..... The play offs however are here to stay regardless. Edited November 9, 2013 by T.N.T. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) sky losing champions league football to BT sport in 2015. . is this the start of the sky meltdowm... SORRY SKIDDER 1 , JUST SEEN YOUR POST.. Edited November 9, 2013 by jenga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 So Sky have lost out to BT Sport for the 2015/16 Champions League TV rights, thereby saving £millions. Maybe Speedway on TV might be 'saved' after all!!? (ps. If 'saved' is the correct word to use, rather than deferring the inevitable?!) And losing millions by the ammount of football subscribers they are gonna lose. Just wonder what percentage of viewers have Sky just for the footie,it has to be more than all the other sports combined. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) Is it true SKY will put the millions saved from the loss of soccer CL into the proposed speedway Champions League? I know, give me a slap... I'm being chatty! Edited November 9, 2013 by moxey63 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 And losing millions by the ammount of football subscribers they are gonna lose. Just wonder what percentage of viewers have Sky just for the footie,it has to be more than all the other sports combined. They've still got the footy Premiership(s) which will keep punters fairly happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 They've still got the footy Premiership(s) which will keep punters fairly happy. And that is the key element in TV football broadcasting for theUK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 i think its more likely speedway can now agree a deal, maybe less money, but midweeks in the autumn and spring on sky are going to look very different. Perhaps this is why talks are so late in the day.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 i think its more likely speedway can now agree a deal, maybe less money, but midweeks in the autumn and spring on sky are going to look very different. Perhaps this is why talks are so late in the day.... they still have Euro football next year - its the year after when they'll need extra action from somewhere but you are correct it gives more hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skthecat Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Its getting rather expensive now if you want ALL footy/F1/Rugger/Speedway/MotoGP/Tennis..... Sky used to have it all, or some was on terrestrial. Now you have to subscribe to multiple providers!!! When will it end!!!!!!?????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 So Sky have lost out to BT Sport for the 2015/16 Champions League TV rights, thereby saving £millions. Maybe Speedway on TV might be 'saved' after all!!? (ps. If 'saved' is the correct word to use, rather than deferring the inevitable?!) Is this good news for British Speedway? Time well tell, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 I think Sky and the BSPA will sort out a deal. If negotiations are taking place, Sky are interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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