Sky 2014

[AndyJ]

Where exactly should any tv money go? Most clubs don't own the stadia, so even if they wanted to spend any money on that side, they probably wouldn't be able to..

I suppose it could be spent on track surface improvement, you know, the actual track material itself, like having enough shale, covers for a supply of dry shale, for saving meetings when weathers been poor, but good on the day/night of the meeting. On adaquate track work equipment, a decent working start gate! A track spare or 2 (bikes) The list of [stuff] must be quite long, which would improve racing and smarten up the general appearance of the sport......

 

Personally I think a sizeable chunk of TV money should be used to try and drive up attendance levels. Advertising/marketing/promotions. An insurance to subsidize more realistic entry prices. Sitting in an empty stadium numbs the sensation of even the most exciting racing. Sport needs atmosphere.

[skthecat]

 

Personally I think a sizeable chunk of TV money should be used to try and drive up attendance levels. Advertising/marketing/promotions. An insurance to subsidize more realistic entry prices. Sitting in an empty stadium numbs the sensation of even the most exciting racing. Sport needs atmosphere.

[[ An insurance to subsidise more realistic entry prices????]]

 

[[Please explain?]]

[AndyJ]

[[ An insurance to subsidise more realistic entry prices????]]

 

[[Please explain?]]

 

What I meant by this is that, ignoring the TV money, £17 entrance money would yield a certain amount of gate receipts. (1000 x £17 = £17,000. Ignoring VAT)

Dropping entry to £10 and actively trying to draw in more fans is a risk and may result in lower gate receipts (1500 x £10 = £15,000)

An element of the TV money could perhaps be used as an insurance to mitigate these potential losses.

This is basically what I hoped would happen when Sky first got involved - that promoters would primarily focus on growing the fan base.

[flagrag]

Obviously I am not sure whether Terry Russell or anybody else from the BSPA has spoken to BT sport but there seems to be some interest from them how much remains to be seen. What I do know is they have been asking Telegenic Sky's OB partner for Speedway if they could still provide the OB resources for Speedway for BT with there extra workload as they are providing trucks and equipment to football World Cup and commonwealth games on top of usual work for Sky,BT and BBC for rugby union and league. From what I have been told the answer was yes as long as they have enough notice

[New Science]

The sport should be planning cost cutting measures without the Sky money anyway as it needs to be done regardless of whether there is a television deal or not. If Sky don't come in then the clubs are still being run sustainably on a reduced budget, if they do then it is essentially bonus money, but it should be handled by the BSPA (or an independent body) and distributed to clubs only when they propose to do something for the benefit of the sport, such as upgrading facilities, investing in young rider development, offering promotional schemes to increase crowds, rather than go on the wages of a some 6 point foreigner or second tier GP rider which quite frankly we don't need.

 

Sky or no Sky, the sport can move forward either way but from a team building perspective at least, it should be being done without the Sky money regardless of whether a deal is going to be struck or not.

All the money accrued by the promoter is his alone to balance his books how he sees fit.Remember it is they not the fans that take the financial risk every year,and in the last 3 years most promoters have lost money some to the tune of 70 grand.

[StevePark]

All the money accrued by the promoter is his alone to balance his books how he sees fit.Remember it is they not the fans that take the financial risk every year,and in the last 3 years most promoters have lost money some to the tune of 70 grand.

 

Without the fans, they wouldn't have a club to take the financial risk with.

Edited November 12, 2013 by The Abbott

[SteveLyric2]

All the money accrued by the promoter is his alone to balance his books how he sees fit.Remember it is they not the fans that take the financial risk every year,and in the last 3 years most promoters have lost money some to the tune of 70 grand.

£70k is the least of the losses!!!!!!

[EC Rides Again]

AND those channels are? And what has it to do with the SCB?

 

BT Sport are splashing the cash. Eurosport. Premier sport.

Speedway not looking for big money like football. Not even anything like rugby league or union.

All I'm saying is Sky is not the be all and and all.

I always thought that ITV4 would be a natural home for speedway, motorsports already in their portfolio and the generally nostalgic roster of blokeish repeats like Minder from the seventies. Get Dave Lanning out of retirement and it would be just like old times.

 

Obviously I am not sure whether Terry Russell or anybody else from the BSPA has spoken to BT sport but there seems to be some interest from them how much remains to be seen. What I do know is they have been asking Telegenic Sky's OB partner for Speedway if they could still provide the OB resources for Speedway for BT with there extra workload as they are providing trucks and equipment to football World Cup and commonwealth games on top of usual work for Sky,BT and BBC for rugby union and league. From what I have been told the answer was yes as long as they have enough notice

As ever an interesting contribution from Flagrag.

[Starman2006]

Obviously I am not sure whether Terry Russell or anybody else from the BSPA has spoken to BT sport but there seems to be some interest from them how much remains to be seen. What I do know is they have been asking Telegenic Sky's OB partner for Speedway if they could still provide the OB resources for Speedway for BT with there extra workload as they are providing trucks and equipment to football World Cup and commonwealth games on top of usual work for Sky,BT and BBC for rugby union and league. From what I have been told the answer was yes as long as they have enough notice

That would make things very, interesting...

[skthecat]

 

What I meant by this is that, ignoring the TV money, £17 entrance money would yield a certain amount of gate receipts. (1000 x £17 = £17,000. Ignoring VAT)

Dropping entry to £10 and actively trying to draw in more fans is a risk and may result in lower gate receipts (1500 x £10 = £15,000)

An element of the TV money could perhaps be used as an insurance to mitigate these potential losses.

This is basically what I hoped would happen when Sky first got involved - that promoters would primarily focus on growing the fan base.

 

[[Ahhhh, a sort of offset... compensation payment.

That will never happen, because Promoters would have to be 100000% more transparent about gate receipts/actual foot flow, a subject that has never reached the public domain, be it openly or by some covert means... But I know what you meant now]]

[500cc]

What worries me is I keep hearing about team plans based on a team without Sky and a team with Sky. Whilst there is some logic associated with that, I fear the key point may be being missed.

 

Sky as a media outlet for the sport is obviously a good thing (if handled correctly). But I think the promoters are focusing on money.

 

If Sky renew (which I doubt anyway), I'd be very surprised if it's more than just televising the sport. It's highly unlikely, I'd suggest, to include sponsorship (quite a coup to be honest if the sport pulled that off). Even worse, Sky may well go down the route they have previously with Basketball and Ice Hockey, and ask the sport itself to cover the production costs, whilst Sky air it for free.

 

On a related topic. Who is heading up any negotiations (or at least the attempts) to renew with Sky? If this is the previous negotiator, are the BSPA clear of their clauses with him. Last time he received a percentage of the sponsorship money. If a deal is reached to show the sport, but without sponsorship, a middle man (if there is one this time) would still expect some form of recompense for brokering the deal. I trust the BSPA are fully focused on managing this situation. If not they can always chat at the imminent AGM !!!

[The White Knight]

What worries me is I keep hearing about team plans based on a team without Sky and a team with Sky. Whilst there is some logic associated with that, I fear the key point may be being missed.

 

Sky as a media outlet for the sport is obviously a good thing (if handled correctly). But I think the promoters are focusing on money.

 

If Sky renew (which I doubt anyway), I'd be very surprised if it's more than just televising the sport. It's highly unlikely, I'd suggest, to include sponsorship (quite a coup to be honest if the sport pulled that off). Even worse, Sky may well go down the route they have previously with Basketball and Ice Hockey, and ask the sport itself to cover the production costs, whilst Sky air it for free.

 

On a related topic. Who is heading up any negotiations (or at least the attempts) to renew with Sky? If this is the previous negotiator, are the BSPA clear of their clauses with him. Last time he received a percentage of the sponsorship money. If a deal is reached to show the sport, but without sponsorship, a middle man (if there is one this time) would still expect some form of recompense for brokering the deal. I trust the BSPA are fully focused on managing this situation. If not they can always chat at the imminent AGM !!!

 

 

A VERY fair point 500cc.

[foamfence]

In today's Speedway Star, it reports that negotiations are underway but a decision before the conference is unlikely. This could make things awkward and might even cause a delay on things until more concrete news is available. I would go with the assumption that there will be no TV contract and if one should then come along, maybe have some sort of collectively agreed plan in place for it. Costs need to be cut whatever happens.

[The White Knight]

In today's Speedway Star, it reports that negotiations are underway but a decision before the conference is unlikely. This could make things awkward and might even cause a delay on things until more concrete news is available. I would go with the assumption that there will be no TV contract and if one should then come along, maybe have some sort of collectively agreed plan in place for it. Costs need to be cut whatever happens.

 

 

PLAN!!! :shock:

 

What's one of them??? :rolleyes:

Edited November 14, 2013 by The White Knight

[foamfence]

PLAN!!! :shock:

 

What's one of them??? :rolleyes:

We live in hope :-)

[weatherwatcher]

I know live coverage of speedway other than the GP and Europeans on Euro sport will be sadly missed if nothing comes for 2014 but it is up to the people who sit around the tables and not on the nikes on the race track to find a sponsers or sponsers to cover the lost revenue. Football clubs do it as do several other sports so why can't they get things sorted out either give us Sky or BT for next year or find some big money from other sorces. Speedway is here for many years so lets hope that they come to their sences and help keep our sport alive and kinking

[SteveLyric2]

I know live coverage of speedway other than the GP and Europeans on Euro sport will be sadly missed if nothing comes for 2014 but it is up to the people who sit around the tables and not on the nikes on the race track to find a sponsers or sponsers to cover the lost revenue. Football clubs do it as do several other sports so why can't they get things sorted out either give us Sky or BT for next year or find some big money from other sorces. Speedway is here for many years so lets hope that they come to their sences and help keep our sport alive and kinking

 

If only we could get Nike interested??!! And I'm certain there are enough kinks in the sport already!!

[The White Knight]

I know live coverage of speedway other than the GP and Europeans on Euro sport will be sadly missed if nothing comes for 2014 but it is up to the people who sit around the tables and not on the nikes on the race track to find a sponsers or sponsers to cover the lost revenue. Football clubs do it as do several other sports so why can't they get things sorted out either give us Sky or BT for next year or find some big money from other sorces. Speedway is here for many years so lets hope that they come to their sences and help keep our sport alive and kinking

 

 

We desperately hope so.

 

Is that your final word WW.

[foamfence]

I know live coverage of speedway other than the GP and Europeans on Euro sport will be sadly missed if nothing comes for 2014 but it is up to the people who sit around the tables and not on the nikes on the race track to find a sponsers or sponsers to cover the lost revenue. Football clubs do it as do several other sports so why can't they get things sorted out either give us Sky or BT for next year or find some big money from other sorces. Speedway is here for many years so lets hope that they come to their sences and help keep our sport alive and kinking

They could certainly learn from football's example, but football has lots of spectators, lots of media coverage and is the national game. So they have quite a head start anyway. If you look at it from an outsiders point of view, there are a lot better investments than Speedway to put your money into....Sadly.

[weatherwatcher]

I live 20 miles from a speedway stadium and our local paper has never even mentioned that the sport exists. I am thinking of writing to them to put a feature in the paper. But the only sport they seem to cover is football and cricket. I think that our local area newspapers could do more for our sport. Unless you are a supporter and know that a track is near you how would you know it exists, there must be people out there that would love to see the sport if they only knew it was there.

Just seen on Pooles wesite about this years AGM not much to write home about. Take a look if you want to be bored to death.

I have been looking all over the internet and the only place that gave any details was Poole. Quite a shock that me thinks not.

So what has change nothing new year same old rubbish other than the Elite Leage dropping the points total.

No mention of TV right 0or sponsership.

Look forward to a new years speedway with dread. We have to do something or this sport is going to die a slow death, or maybe a rapid decline.

It is time that those in power sat back and looked at what actually going on around them, and actually did something to help our beloved sport to carry on for many many years to come.