The White Knight Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Sky will not negotiate untill Poole are guaranteed to WIN the play offs again. Come on Matt sort it out Edited for accuracy. :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 DO you seriously think BT Sport haven't had a call? One would hope they have, and to be honest it would be great if the speedway switched to BT Sport as it's a free channel in my household. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 One would hope they have, and to be honest it would be great if the speedway switched to BT Sport as it's a free channel in my household. What about everyone else's household? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) One would hope they have, and to be honest it would be great if the speedway switched to BT Sport as it's a free channel in my household. BT Sport will be FREE in October. http://www.digitalsp...in-october.html Edited October 13, 2013 by Robbie B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 BT Sport will be FREE to everyone including on Freeveiw on the 26 or 27 October. http://www.digitalsp...in-october.html WOW!!! Now that WAS a quick answer Robbie B. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonimac Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Apologies if this has been asked before but are league matches in Sweden and Poland televised? If so, does it generate the income required to attract the the likes of Hampel, Pedersen and Sayfutdinov? Or are there other sources which allow them to pay the big money these riders require? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Only free for a few days. It is free to all BT Broadband users 365 days a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) You stated the sport has to forget old timers and concentrate on moving with the times.. rather amusing as one of the BIGGEST criticisms of the sport is the very fact that it has NOT moved with the times. Giving you the benefit of the doubt on this I asked you to name some examples.. as we can see above you were unable to do so. The Green helmet was a perfect example of the sport moving with the times. As it was done specifically to suit TV. Other than that the sport is still stuck in the flat cap and whippet era. I am an old man. I don't go mainly because my team no longer exists. Other reasons as well but I love the sport of speedway and watch it online as often as I can. To dismiss a demographic because they are 'old' as our friend from Newcastle does shows what tiny minds some in speedway have. I can recall the good old days of Newcastle Speedway and have seen Brough Park full on several occasions but don't live in that era. People here who no longer attend meetings do so for many reasons but that does not mean they cannot contribute. To say different smacks of some kind of elitist nonsense. I have never been into space but can involve myself in a discussion about the Mars Rover if I want to. The sport in Britain is dying on it's feet and needs every friend it can find even those who no longer attend meetings. Edited October 13, 2013 by pandorum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 The sport in Britain is dying on it's feet and needs every friend it can find even those who no longer attend meetings. That's a sad thought but one that I can sympathise with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) Apologies if this has been asked before but are league matches in Sweden and Poland televised? If so, does it generate the income required to attract the the likes of Hampel, Pedersen and Sayfutdinov? Or are there other sources which allow them to pay the big money these riders require? Not sure about how tv-money impacts on Swedish or Polish speedway finances. But most Swedish Elit League clubs regularly attract between 2,000 & 4,000 to their home meetings ... the top Polish clubs regularly attract at least 6,000 fans. Meanwhile Glasgow have admitted this week they couldn't regularly attract the 800-crowds they needed to average to break even in the Premier League ... it's also been estimated on this forum that the guaranteed Sky money for Elite League clubs is the equivalent of about 340 fans attending each home meeting. Given it costs between 1-&-a-half and twice as much to run an Elite team compared to a Premier team, that suggests the current break-even average crowd in our Elite League is probably around 1,000 (eg, 1,340 "fans" to cover all the costs split between 1,000 actually turning up and 340 via Sky money) ... yet plenty of our Elite League clubs find it tough to make ends meet. Still wondering how the Swedish and Polish clubs have a better chance of affording more of the top riders ? !! Edited October 13, 2013 by arthur cross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) Still wondering how the Swedish and Polish clubs have a better chance of affording more of the top riders ? !! I would have thought sponsorship would have a little to do with it. Watch an EL match on TV and compare it with a Polish and Swedish and even a Danish TV meeting with regards sponsorships on display. Edited October 13, 2013 by pandorum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Not sure about how tv-money impacts on Swedish or Polish speedway finances. But most Swedish Elit League clubs regularly attract between 2,000 & 4,000 to their home meetings ... the top Polish clubs regularly attract at least 6,000 fans. Meanwhile Glasgow have admitted this week they couldn't regularly attract the 800-crowds they needed to average to break even in the Premier League ... it's also been estimated on this forum that the guaranteed Sky money for Elite League clubs is the equivalent of about 340 fans attending each home meeting. Given it costs between 1-&-a-half and twice as much to run an Elite team compared to a Premier team, that suggests the current break-even average crowd in our Elite League is probably around 1,000 (eg, 1,340 "fans" to cover all the costs split between 1,000 actually turning up and 340 via Sky money) ... yet plenty of our Elite League clubs find it tough to make ends meet. Still wondering how the Swedish and Polish clubs have a better chance of affording more of the top riders ? !! EASTBOURNE have admitted this weekend that their average crowd this season is 770... INCIDENTALLY, no evidence to suggest that BT Sport are remotely interested in domestic speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) BT Sport will be FREE in October. http://www.digitalsp...in-october.html Have looked at what they are showing this coming week on Freeview 57, not very interesting. Will see what they show on the weekend their advert mentions. It does seem though that every BT user is having all their prices put up, line rentals increased again, plus having to pay for 1571 etc. Cannot see BT showing Speedway apart from maybe a highlights package produced by someone else, providing it did not cost much. Edited October 13, 2013 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 It's old news now, the sports been on it's uppers for a few years, just raking over the dying embers at present, the 770 average is definitely not the lowest, but with the bar and catering income, would be just about enough to run in the PL, and not loose a big wad of cash, but as for the EL, only option is to finish it totally, and run one big PL, it won't be popular, but the sport simply cannot afford an EL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Poole. 2014 premier league champions !! It could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelle Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) It's old news now, the sports been on it's uppers for a few years, just raking over the dying embers at present, the 770 average is definitely not the lowest, but with the bar and catering income, would be just about enough to run in the PL, and not loose a big wad of cash, but as for the EL, only option is to finish it totally, and run one big PL, it won't be popular, but the sport simply cannot afford an EL. It would be popular with me I'd love one big league of about 20 clubs, as long as Sheffield were in it. Even 24 clubs, bring it on. Edited October 13, 2013 by Marcelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) If any Sky decision to cover speedway in the future is financially driven (ie based on overpaying for Premiership footie etc), then reading a couple of the business pages today, the next round of bidding for Champions League football has a deadline of 5th November (NB the deadline is before the BSPA AGM). If Sky win that bid with an overinflated figure to ensure they beat BT Sport, then I can't see Sky renewing speedway. However if BT win the bid then Sky could still look to continue a deal with Speedway!!? On the flip side if Sky do win the Champions League bid, that could leave BT Sport looking for other sport to fill their schedules....! Edited October 13, 2013 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 WOW!!! Now that WAS a quick answer Robbie B. :approve: Clearly doesn't work for BT then! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Poole. 2014 premier league champions !! It could happen. You could even call it the British Elite Super League, bet Matt would love to win that, and I bet a few Clubs would actually like to make a few quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Ok, it's daft to waste a lot of time, money and effort on folk like that. But at least they've told you why they're not coming back (most driftaways don't even do that) ... therefore it's surely worth looking for at least a few moments at their reasoning to see if you can learn from their frustrations and avoid those who are still attending becoming future driftaways for the same reason !! You still won't recapture the person who's already gone while having a rant ... but for the sake of a little time, money and effort, that rant can give you a better chance of hanging on to 20 others who've been thinking much the same but who are still attending, ready to be impressed when you tidy up their grievance. It's easy to just dismiss everything about the ranter ... much smarter to separate the reasoning from the individual and then work on just the bit that's worth working on. Generally in business, you learn a hell of a lot more when things go wrong than when things go right ... providing you can survive a problem, you should come back much the stronger for having overcome it. As usual, Arthur, fair point. I cetainly don't think you should ignore feedback but what you can ignore is the same feedback made time after time by the same people. Many have an axe to grind and, as Tsunami points out, give them a free season ticket and they still wouldn't come. I think Tsunami is saying that given the limited budgets speedway tracks have it is better to concentrate on gaining new supporters (and keeping existing ones)rather than pursuing those who have gone and quite possibly won't come back. I agree. To put that into perspective, I received some quite appalling service from a garage a little while ago and despite the fact that I gave them feedback they keep sending me stuff by E mail and through the post. They are totally wasting their time. As to keeping the 20 existing ones above, why not just ask them rather than someone who has left ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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